Pft: Dick Heading To The Desert?

[abomb]

I just think the Bidwills figured out a long time ago they could make money without a whole lot of effort if they just did things their way. Their potential return was lower, but they took no risk because they could always pay the players with the cap money, have some left over etc. They never felt they HAD to take the risk to try and hit it big.

That's been changing for years now as we joined the modern age of the NFL, we're not totally there yet but we are headed the right direction.

Obviously having the promise of the stadium revenue helped push us that direction again they KNEW they couldn't lose money so they took a few more risks than normal.

I think you are spot on.

I believe few of us would risk $1000 to make $1005. For many years, the Bidwills did the same.

I also believe few of us would agree that the Bidwills are doing business the same way they have their entire time in Arizona. The times, they are a changin'.

 

[jefftheshark]

I think we've got enough ***** in the desert, thank you

Not according to Dback Jon.

The Shark

 

[Gambit]

I would cry tears of joy if Vermeil was our coach.

So would Vermeil. The man loves a good cry. He probably watches Field of Dreams and Brian's Song daily.

 

[Duckjake]

My house went way up in value last year, but if I didn't sell it, how much cash did that put in my pocket?

The Bidwill family is a victim of poor cash flow because of their old stadium situation, and the fact that they don't have other businesses to inject capital for them. Hopefully that is now in the past, with new sources of income now available to them (the U of P naming rights, for example). Now if they aren't paying out signing bonuses on a par with the other teams in the NFL next year, then they are cheap. But I really can't blame them for not paying them in the past when they didn't have the cash.

The Shark

But you could sell it and put that cash in your pocket. You could also borrow the equity on a business property to fund short term cash flow needs. So the Bidwills had a means to handle cash flow problems between signing dates and the arrival of the TV revenue in the fall. But they are not the type of people who would do that. Other business people are.

The problem with the recent excuses for the Bidwills is that they were operating the same way in St.Louis years before free agency and salary caps. They managed plenty of 5-11 or 4-9 seasons then as well. The Dollar Bill nickname goes back many years.

 

[Gambit]

At a minimum, you need the GM, the Coach and the QB

Has Mike Brown of Cincy suddenly gone from being a lousy owner to a great one?...

Yes. He has shown a real committment to winning lately, and is no longer cheap (as evidenced by Palmer and Ocho Cinco's huge extensions).

 

[Gambit]

It's the Reggie bush effect I tell you. Who cares if he's only getting 20-25 offensive plays a game, the entire Saints turnaround is due to him just ask ESPN they'll tell you.

Indeed. And meanwhile Mario Williams is actually helping the Texans win games too. He's starting to impress me. The Miami game he basically won almost single-handedly (hyberbole, yes, but he did have a few key plays).

 

[jefftheshark]

But you could sell it and put that cash in your pocket. You could also borrow the equity on a business property to fund short term cash flow needs. So the Bidwills had a means to handle cash flow problems between signing dates and the arrival of the TV revenue in the fall. But they are not the type of people who would do that. Other business people are.

The problem with the recent excuses for the Bidwills is that they were operating the same way in St.Louis years before free agency and salary caps. They managed plenty of 5-11 or 4-9 seasons then as well. The Dollar Bill nickname goes back many years.

They don't want to sell and IIRC they went around $85 M in debt for the down payment on the stadium. I also believe that they purchased a lot land around the new stadium for development purposes, which was smart.

I don't doubt that their penny-pinching reputation isn't well documented. I am just saying that there are valid reasons for not spending money when you don't have it readily available.

The Shark

 

[conraddobler]

Vermeil is better than DG, my dog randomly making decisions by which chewy toy he picks up is better than DG though.


This sucks, plain and simple, I just witnessed the Dick Vermeil era here, I freakin give up.

 

[overseascardfan]

the cardinals are going to need a high profile coach to fill the seats next season. like i said before coaches are going to be throwing themselves at the cardinals job with the personel that they have.

Why not go after the Eagles DC he was suppose to be a candidate for our job before we gave it to Denny.

 

[BigRedRage]

I would cry tears of joy if Vermeil was our coach.

good because vermeil will do the same

 

[Duckjake]

They don't want to sell and IIRC they went around $85 M in debt for the down payment on the stadium. I also believe that they purchased a lot land around the new stadium for development purposes, which was smart.

I don't doubt that their penny-pinching reputation isn't well documented. I am just saying that there are valid reasons for not spending money when you don't have it readily available.
The Shark

Of course there are. But I am of the opinion that Bill Bidwill is the kind of person who wouldn't spend it even if he did have it available.

It's always struck me as funny to see people bash others for being cheap and then later talk about the merits of saving money.

 

[footballfanatic1980]

Hey guys. I'm not a Cardinals fan but I enjoy your message board. I'm from the New Orleans area and am a diehard Saints fans and let me tell you, all Saints fans can understand what y'all are going through since we've put up with a lot the same over our history. When I saw y'all mentioning Bill Kuharich as a possible GM candidate I had to respond. In my opinion you don't want that man anywhere near your football team. He was GM here in New Orleans from about the 94 to the 99 seasons and he ran this team into the ground. Just look at the Saints records during that period. This is the same guy that along with Mike Ditka traded the 1999 entire draft plus 2 first day picks the next year for Ricky Williams. What kinda competent GM does that? I can't speak for what he's done in Kansas City but he was horrible in New Orleans.

As far as owners go, yes a lot of people do hate Tom Benson here but its more because of what he does off the field. On the field Mr. Benson is an "hands-off" owner. He lets his GM run the team and he spends whatever he needs to to get the guys his GM wants unfortunately most of the time it was the wrong people. But he tries at least.

 

[vinnymac]

truthfully i don't know of anyone to get. maybe their is an old gm off of espn that would do a good job. their has to be a young guy out their that knows how to be a gm. you just wonder why graves hasn't been offered another contract. he still a figure head with the cardinals without a contract. it is all up in the air i guess.

 

[jf-08]

Hey guys. I'm not a Cardinals fan but I enjoy your message board. I'm from the New Orleans area and am a diehard Saints fans and let me tell you, all Saints fans can understand what y'all are going through since we've put up with a lot the same over our history. When I saw y'all mentioning Bill Kuharich as a possible GM candidate I had to respond. In my opinion you don't want that man anywhere near your football team. He was GM here in New Orleans from about the 94 to the 99 seasons and he ran this team into the ground. Just look at the Saints records during that period. This is the same guy that along with Mike Ditka traded the 1999 entire draft plus 2 first day picks the next year for Ricky Williams. What kinda competent GM does that? I can't speak for what he's done in Kansas City but he was horrible in New Orleans.

As far as owners go, yes a lot of people do hate Tom Benson here but its more because of what he does off the field. On the field Mr. Benson is an "hands-off" owner. He lets his GM run the team and he spends whatever he needs to to get the guys his GM wants unfortunately most of the time it was the wrong people. But he tries at least.

Thanks for the input and welcome to the board.

Your Saints sure are pretty fun to watch this year!

 

[footballfanatic1980]

Speaking of the Saints and I might be biased because I'm a fan but since y'all are talking suggestons for GM I'm going to throw a name out that the Cardinals should consider. Rick Mueller. He's the Saints' head of player personnel and for all intents and purposes is basically the GM since our actual GM, Micky Loomis, is more of a numbers guy and works with the salary cap and negotiations. I know Mueller interviewed in Houston right after the draft but they didn't hire him and I expect his name to come up with other GM openings. This guy has an eye for talent. You have to remember that from 2000-present the Saints have been loaded with talent, they just lacked the coach. He can find talent in the later rounds of the draft like no one I have seen. Just this year he found Jahri Evans, a guard out of a DII school I never heard of and Evans is now our starter at LG. Then he drafted Marques Colston in the 7th round with the third to last draft pick in the draft. Colston is now our #2 receiver and is being mentioned as a possible rookie of the year candidate. Then take into account what he does in free agency finding cheaper unknown guys and have them turn into superstars. How many people heard of Joe Horn before he got to the Saints? Not many. I would hate to lose Mueller but I think he deserves to move up to the GM position. If you want a young up and comer, I think he's the guy.

 

[joeshmo]

They don't want to sell and IIRC they went around $85 M in debt for the down payment on the stadium. I also believe that they purchased a lot land around the new stadium for development purposes, which was smart.

I don't doubt that their penny-pinching reputation isn't well documented. I am just saying that there are valid reasons for not spending money when you don't have it readily available.

The Shark

The Cards were also given 130 acres of land near the stadium to do land development as they wish as part of the Glendale deal. Of which they may start a court battle with the city of Glendale over a fight about ownership of a street near their property the Cards think they own. A fight about land that was given to them.

3. Even though they put up over 125 Mill of their own cash, You have to put that into perspective. In the NFL a new stadium brings more money to the overall value of the NFL and adds to the overall revenue sharing pot. So teams and the NFL came up with a pact that is called the "G3 Program". In this program Teams that want a new stadium can get their loans through the NFL to help their cause. In this program the interest rates are super low to begin with, only half the amount of thel loan can have interest added to it, and the real big kick back is that depending on the amount the new stadium brings to the revenue sharing pot a portion of the loan doesnt need to be paid back at all. So although they used 125 Mill of their own money that they have already made up for in land deals and naming rights, it is a standard loan with compounding interest, and is a pretty sweet deal. The Cards also dont have to start paying it back until 1 full year in the stadium, and the already low interest rate isnt added to half the amount until that 1st year is up.

 

[RedViper]

This was on the other board:

Forget about Dick coming to the desert.

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NFL Rumors & Notes

Former Rams and Chiefs coach Dick Vermeil said yesterday that no one from the Cardinals or any other organization has contacted him or put out feelers. And even if they did, he would tell them thanks, but no thanks. "It's not true as far as I know," he said by phone from his 114-acre Chester County spread. "I don't know anything about it. No one's contacted me, nor should they. It's behind me. I don't want to get back into coaching." Even in retirement, Vermeil has a full plate with paid speaking engagements and lots of charity work. "It's going well," he said. "You get caught between doing the things you get paid to do and the charity work that you want to do. All of the things I haven't been able to help with since I've been gone. I'm catching up with those kind of obligations." Vermeil co-owns a small winery in the Napa Valley and spent 3 weeks there last month.

Posted October 27, by Ben Maller