PFT Report: GIANTS CHOP THREE

[BACH]

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GIANTS CHOP THREE

A league source tells us that the New York Giants have cut linebacker LaVar Arrington, offensive tackle Luke Petigout, and running back Chad Morton.

Arrington gave up $4.4 million in earned but unpaid bonus money from the Redskins last year at this time for the ability to hit the free-agent market early. But his agents, the Postons, overpriced him, and he missed out on the early cash rush.

Arrington eventually signed a trumped-up seven-year, $49 million deal with the Giants, which was low on guarantees and high on incentives. A chronic knee problem marred the early stages of the season, and then he popped an Achilles' tendon and was lost for the year.

Petitgout, the team's starting left tackle at the start of 2006, fractured his leg on November 5 against the Bears and didn't return for the season. The Giants' first-round pick (19th overall) in 1999, Petitgout was under contract for the next two seasons, at salaries of $5 million per year.

Morton tore an ACL late in the season, the second such injury he has suffered in three years. He was signed through 2009, and was scheduled to earn a salary of $720,000 in 2007.

If healthy Petitgout could be the answer to our problems. An average, but capable LT. Given Leinart is a lefty Petitgout should be good enough to protect Leinart's frontside.

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

If this is true, it would be great. Petigout would be a great addition on the this team, and we wouldn't have to franchise LD.

 

[Mulli]

Petitgout is an iffy signing if for anything other than depth, in my opinion.

 

[kerouac9]

Petitgout only had 2 fewer false starts two seasons ago than Big did. This season, he only appeared in 9 games. In those 9 games, he allowed 4.5 sacks.

First Mike Gandy (12.5 sacks last season) and now Petitgout is the answer? Are you guys serious? Do y'all even watch the NFL?

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

Petitgout is an iffy signing if for anything other than depth, in my opinion.

How do you figure? He was good for the Giants up until his injury and he's cheaper and just as good if not better than Leonard Davis.

 

[ajcardfan]

Petitgout is an iffy signing if for anything other than depth, in my opinion.

I agree. He's not as good as Davis.

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

Petitgout only had 2 fewer false starts two seasons ago than Big did. This season, he only appeared in 9 games. In those 9 games, he allowed 4.5 sacks.

First Mike Gandy (12.5 sacks last season) and now Petitgout is the answer? Are you guys serious? Do y'all even watch the NFL?

All I know about Petigout is one of the reasons Eli Manning collapsed late in the season is that Petigout was injured. That speaks alot to how good the tackle is. I agree on Mike Gandy, there's no way he's a starting caliber tackle in the NFL (guards yes, tackle no).

 

[earthsci]

I agree on Mike Gandy, there's no way he's a starting caliber tackle in the NFL (guards yes, tackle no).

Wait a minute! I thought that we were going to take tackles and make them guards, then get guards and make them tackles?

 

[Heucrazy]

Arrington being on the market might help the Cards in the OLB search. I'm not saying they should get Arrington but him being out there as well might drive down the price for Cato June a little.

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

Wait a minute! I thought that we were going to take tackles and make them guards, then get guards and make them tackles?

I think that we should convert LaVarr Arrington into a tackle, who's with me?

 

[Mulli]

I think that we should convert LaVarr Arrington into a tackle, who's with me?

Only if he can dunk a basketball like Josh McNown.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

How do you figure? He was good for the Giants up until his injury and he's cheaper and just as good if not better than Leonard Davis.

It would definitely something to look into ...

 

[earthsci]

I think that we should convert LaVarr Arrington into a tackle, who's with me?

Now your talkin'!

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

Only if he can dunk a basketball like Josh McNown.

I doubt it. I heard somewhere that Josh is the best athlete the world has ever known.

 

[kerouac9]

All I know about Petigout is one of the reasons Eli Manning collapsed late in the season is that Petigout was injured. That speaks alot to how good the tackle is. I agree on Mike Gandy, there's no way he's a starting caliber tackle in the NFL (guards yes, tackle no).

1) If he's good, then why did/are the Giants cutting him?

2) Eli Manning "collapsed" late in the season because he only had 1 WR in Burress and because his defense couldn't stop anyone.

3) Manning had fewer sacks after Petitgout left the team (8.0) than he did when Petitgout was in the lineup (17).

4) Tiki Barber was better in the second half of the season when Petitgout was out, as well.

 

[BACH]

Petitgout only had 2 fewer false starts two seasons ago than Big did. This season, he only appeared in 9 games. In those 9 games, he allowed 4.5 sacks.

First Mike Gandy (12.5 sacks last season) and now Petitgout is the answer? Are you guys serious? Do y'all even watch the NFL?

Yep, and that's why we know that Petitgout is better than your stats make him out to be.

He a solid but not great LT, which is what we need. We need a good pass-protector because we're a passing team and the LT lines up acroos the opponents best pass-rusher. we don't need an elite LT, because the left side is Leinart's front side.

 

[Mitch]

Petitgout only had 2 fewer false starts two seasons ago than Big did. This season, he only appeared in 9 games. In those 9 games, he allowed 4.5 sacks.

First Mike Gandy (12.5 sacks last season) and now Petitgout is the answer? Are you guys serious? Do y'all even watch the NFL?

You know what, K9, you are about as arrogant a poster as they get.

Stats don't tell the whole story. Go watch some tape of Mike Gandy. He's got significant talent, particularly as a run blocker...and he's some good coaching away from being a good pass protector too...do you ever believe a player can improve? How about with a guy like Russ Grimm coaching him?

In a perfect world the Cardinals could do nothing but sign All-Pros...but guess what? They have a salary cap...and with the $11M they will need to sign Leonard "False Start-Drive Killer-I'm playing T but I am really a G" Davis...and the reality is that the Cardinals could sign a good talent in Gandy AND sign two or three more good starters at key need positions (CB, WLB, FS, T, G, PR) with that $11M...which is why we are even talking about Gandy in the first place (and by virtue of a less than elite class of UFA Ts out there).

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

1) If he's good, then why did/are the Giants cutting him?

2) Eli Manning "collapsed" late in the season because he only had 1 WR in Burress and because his defense couldn't stop anyone.

3) Manning had fewer sacks after Petitgout left the team (8.0) than he did when Petitgout was in the lineup (17).

4) Tiki Barber was better in the second half of the season when Petitgout was out, as well.

1) The same reason that Baltimore is going to cut Jamal Lewis, because they need cap room.

2) He was getting pressured constantly, which caused him to throw more interceptions. Sacks allowed is a misleading statistic.

3) See number two.

4) Petigout is a better pass blocker than run blocker.

EDIT: Now that I look at the stats, Barber didn't do better without Petitgout with performances ofr 27 yds vs. Jacksonville, and four more sub 100 yard games.

 

[seesred]

None of these players will even be asked to visit Arizona at our expense.We don't need average just injured players. These guys would not be upgrades and Arrington will think he should get more than he is worth. Just say no!

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[SuperSpck]

Leonard "False Start-Drive Killer-I'm playing T but I am really a G" Davis.

That is an amazingly long nickname.

 

[Mulli]

That is an amazingly long nickname.

Has anyone ever heard Leonard say that many words at once?

 

[kerouac9]

Another man's trash is the Cardinals' treasure? It must be the NFL offseason once again!

Ah, the time of year when any mediocre team's castoffs can, with a change of scenery and some "coaching up", become an All-pro or a solid contributor, regardless of the reasons why he was cut by his former team. I swear, some of the fans on this board just lap it up.

The Giants are $9.4 million under the cap right now, according to John Clayton. They're not cutting him for cap room. You don't cut servicable left tackles. The Ravens are cutting Jamal Lewis because (1) they are up against the cap and (2) because Lewis isn't worth the $5 million roster bonus in his contract.

But maybe you guys are right. Maybe all Petitgout needs to become a quality starter is a change of scenery and to get "coached up" by a quality staff. All I ask is you provide on instance where that happened at the left tackle position in--say--the last five years. I mean, things happen all the time that have never happened before, but it's not really a good idea for the team to depend on it, right?

Right?

Maybe I'm just being negative, though. I'm probably not as adept at reading the body languages of players as other posters here.

 

[Redsz]

If we let BIG walk, then I would definatley take a look at him.

 

[Totally_Red]

1) If he's good, then why did/are the Giants cutting him? Because he is injury-prone, not worth $5-million, and IMO not a top-notch tackle.

2) Eli Manning "collapsed" late in the season because he only had 1 WR in Burress and because his defense couldn't stop anyone.
That and his decision-making was not good in key situations. Losing Amani Toomer hurt him and Shockey kept dropping passes.
3) Manning had fewer sacks after Petitgout left the team (8.0) than he did when Petitgout was in the lineup (17).

4) Tiki Barber was better in the second half of the season when Petitgout was out, as well.

Pettigout is a significant downgrade from Davis IMO.

 

[SuperSpck]

Another man's trash is the Cardinals' treasure? It must be the NFL offseason once again!

Ah, the time of year when any mediocre team's castoffs can, with a change of scenery and some "coaching up", become an All-pro or a solid contributor, regardless of the reasons why he was cut by his former team. I swear, some of the fans on this board just lap it up.

The Giants are $9.4 million under the cap right now, according to John Clayton. They're not cutting him for cap room. You don't cut servicable left tackles. The Ravens are cutting Jamal Lewis because (1) they are up against the cap and (2) because Lewis isn't worth the $5 million roster bonus in his contract.

But maybe you guys are right. Maybe all Petitgout needs to become a quality starter is a change of scenery and to get "coached up" by a quality staff. All I ask is you provide on instance where that happened at the left tackle position in--say--the last five years. I mean, things happen all the time that have never happened before, but it's not really a good idea for the team to depend on it, right?

Right?

Maybe I'm just being negative, though. I'm probably not as adept at reading the body languages of players as other posters here.

I'm inclined to agree with K9er in the case of not being ga ga over Petitgout. I've only had a hand full of times to see him play and I remember in one instance things did not go well at all.

... well that was a waste of words. Ah well.

And for the record, I'm able to read the body language of our posters really well. For example, K9 is feeling surly. Assface is feeling Assy. BillyFlint is feeling pretty (oh so pretty).