Pick 4

[JCSunsfan]

Assuming the Suns have 4 picks in this draft, and assuming the Suns will not be picking in the top 10, pick 4 players you think might be draftable with the the picks the Suns have

1. Suns own pick (10-15)
2. Washington pick (14-18)
3. Minneapolis pick (14-20)
4. Indiana pick (24-30)

Here is a list of prospects and potential projections.

http://www.draftexpress.com/rankings/Top-100-Prospects/

I am not at all confident about this, and I don't really like what I am picking, but here goes:

1. Glenn Robinson. I think he has to slip some to nab him around the 10th pick.
2. Doug McDermott. Seems like a carbon copy of Jared Dudley, but maybe a better shooter. This team needs shooting and he might be one of the best in this draft. He is a player with a non-stop motor and will make up for his physical limitations with brains and hustle.
3. Alex Poythress. I know he is projected to go much later, but I don't want to risk someone else picking him.
4. James Young. I think I take a flyer on this young man if he is hanging around at the end of the first round.


Well. After looking at it. We need to trade some picks. That just looks like a crowd to me. I would gladly trade all 6 picks over the next two years for the rights to Wiggins, Parker, or Randle. But no one is going to take that trade.

 

[devilalum]

I too think it would be crazy to draft 4 first rounders. Has anybody ever done that? If nothing better comes along the Suns can always trade a couple of those for future first rounders on draft day.

 

[AzStevenCal]

We need some stars and the draft is far too hit and miss to assume you're going to draft one or two guys and they'll become stars (especially if you're not at the top of the draft). I'd prefer to take a shotgun approach to the draft. Keep and draft four players unless you're truly swayed by an offer. The worst thing to do IMO would be to enter the draft period believing that 4 picks is a bad thing. I don't mind trading the picks as long as that isn't our mindset.

Steve

 

[95pro]

didn't Minny have a crap load of picks one year. i don't remember any of them panning out, it might have been when they selected Rubio, or a year earlier.

 

[Errntknght]

They picked several PGs one year... the only one I happen to recall is Jonny Flynn but perhaps Rubio was one of the others.

 

[AzStevenCal]

They picked several PGs one year... the only one I happen to recall is Jonny Flynn but perhaps Rubio was one of the others.

Yeah, I remember them drafting Flynn and Rubio in the same draft plus another PG that they traded right away. I think they even had a 4th number one that year but I don't remember who they selected. I do remember thinking they managed to make very little headway from that draft although I'd have to see what they received in trade to know it that's correct.

Steve

 

[AzStevenCal]

Wow, I just looked up Minnesota's draft history. Let's not hire anyone from that organization (from the last decade anyway). They had 4 first round picks in 2009 (5,6,18,28) and all they really have to show from it is Ricky Rubio. They drafted and then traded Ty Lawson to Denver for a future 1st but I can't find any record of them having used it. They must have traded it or it had quite a bit of protection on it.

Looking back over the past 10 years, they've immediately traded away the only decent picks they've made other than Rubio. They drafted and immediately traded Brandon Roy, OJ Mayo, Mario Chalmers and Ty Lawson while keeping (for awhile) 1st round picks such as Ndubi Ebi, Rashard McCants, Corey Brewer, Jonny Flynn, Wayne Ellington, Wesley Johnson, Lazar Hayward and Derrick Williams. I'd say they've been as bad at this as we have, maybe worse considering they had eight picks in the top 14 over this span.

Steve

 

[Mainstreet]

The Rockets had three first round draft picks in 2012. They drafted Jeremy Lamb (12), Royce White (16) and Terrence Jones (18). It was a weaker draft than projected for 2014 but it goes to show it can be a roll of the dice. Jeremy Lamb was used in the Harden trade with the Thunder. Everyone knows the Royce White story and Terence Jones has yet to bloom.

 

[hcsilla]

Assuming the Suns have 4 picks in this draft, and assuming the Suns will not be picking in the top 10, pick 4 players you think might be draftable with the the picks the Suns have

1. Suns own pick (10-15)
2. Washington pick (14-18)
3. Minneapolis pick (14-20)
4. Indiana pick (24-30)

Here is a list of prospects and potential projections.

http://www.draftexpress.com/rankings/Top-100-Prospects/

I am not at all confident about this, and I don't really like what I am picking, but here goes:

1. Glenn Robinson. I think he has to slip some to nab him around the 10th pick.
2. Doug McDermott. Seems like a carbon copy of Jared Dudley, but maybe a better shooter. This team needs shooting and he might be one of the best in this draft. He is a player with a non-stop motor and will make up for his physical limitations with brains and hustle.
3. Alex Poythress. I know he is projected to go much later, but I don't want to risk someone else picking him.
4. James Young. I think I take a flyer on this young man if he is hanging around at the end of the first round.


Well. After looking at it. We need to trade some picks. That just looks like a crowd to me. I would gladly trade all 6 picks over the next two years for the rights to Wiggins, Parker, or Randle. But no one is going to take that trade.

First of all we somehow have to improve our pick. Trade Dragic, Tucker, Green, whoever isn't in the long-term plans of the Suns. We need to move up at least into 5-10 territory to get the main asset for possible moving-up trades.

I like Glenn Robinson but right now he looks easily available with a late lottery pick and I wouldn't be surprised if he would be on the board at Minny pick.

McDermott is so unathletic that even Dudley is a very generous comparison in that regard. Besides he doesn't have Dudley's passing and post-up skills. I'm not sute McDermott gets drafted at all, and I certainly wouldn't spend more on him than a mid 2nd rounder.

Despite his disappointing freshman season I still like Poythress' upside especially when he is available at IND's pick.

 

[hcsilla]

Assuming the Suns have 4 picks in this draft, and assuming the Suns will not be picking in the top 10, pick 4 players you think might be draftable with the the picks the Suns have

1. Suns own pick (10-15)
2. Washington pick (14-18)
3. Minneapolis pick (14-20)
4. Indiana pick (24-30)

Here is a list of prospects and potential projections.

http://www.draftexpress.com/rankings/Top-100-Prospects/

I am not at all confident about this, and I don't really like what I am picking, but here goes:

1. Glenn Robinson. I think he has to slip some to nab him around the 10th pick.
2. Doug McDermott. Seems like a carbon copy of Jared Dudley, but maybe a better shooter. This team needs shooting and he might be one of the best in this draft. He is a player with a non-stop motor and will make up for his physical limitations with brains and hustle.
3. Alex Poythress. I know he is projected to go much later, but I don't want to risk someone else picking him.
4. James Young. I think I take a flyer on this young man if he is hanging around at the end of the first round.


Well. After looking at it. We need to trade some picks. That just looks like a crowd to me. I would gladly trade all 6 picks over the next two years for the rights to Wiggins, Parker, or Randle. But no one is going to take that trade.

First of all we somehow have to improve our pick. Trade Dragic, Tucker, Green, whoever isn't in the long-term plans of the Suns. We need to move up at least into 5-10 territory to get the main asset for possible moving-up trades.

I like Glenn Robinson but right now he looks easily available with a late lottery pick and I wouldn't be surprised if he would be on the board at Minny pick.

McDermott is so unathletic that even Dudley is a very generous comparison in that regard. Besides he doesn't have Dudley's passing and post-up skills. I'm not sute McDermott gets drafted at all, and I certainly wouldn't spend more on him than a mid 2nd rounder.

Despite his disappointing freshman season I still like Poythress' upside especially if he is available at IND's pick.

 

[95pro]

Moving up in this draft is going to be difficult unless we hand over Bledsoe. I don't think anyone else on the suns roster gets us closer to a top ten pick. But if we do that, then we gamble on losing Bledsoe for someone that will eventually become better than Bledsoe.

 

[95pro]

It's lose-lose. The only way is to keep Bledsoe and tank this year. We'd draft a star and have caproom for a key free agent.

 

[hcsilla]

Moving up in this draft is going to be difficult unless we hand over Bledsoe. I don't think anyone else on the suns roster gets us closer to a top ten pick.

Moving up in this draft is mostly possible by combining our picks.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Moving up in this draft is mostly possible by combining our picks.

Not likely. It's awfully rare to combine picks for a high pick in the NBA draft. It works in the NFL but not in the NBA and especially if you're talking the kind of picks we are likely to have. We might be able to package the 12, 18, 22 and 27 pick for the number 8 pick or something like that but I can't think why we'd want to. It's certainly not going to get us into the top 3.

Steve

 

[hcsilla]

We might be able to package the 12, 18, 22 and 27 pick for the number 8 pick or something like that but I can't think why we'd want to.

Yes, that would be a very bad deal for the Suns, however if we remove #12, I would consider it.

It's not that extraordinary that someone would move into to lottery combining other mid-late 1st rounders.

That's what UTA did last season for Burke and in 2001 Houston moved up to 1/7 (Eddie Griffin) for 1/13 (Richard Jefferson), 1/18 (Jason Collins) and 1/23 (Brandon Armstrong).

It's certainly not going to get us into the top 3.

It is probably not that's why I said it's important to improve our pick even to get the chance to crack into the top3-5.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Yes, that would be a very bad deal for the Suns, however if we remove #12, I would consider it.

It's not that extraordinary that someone would move into to lottery combining other mid-late 1st rounders.

That's what UTA did last season for Burke and in 2001 Houston moved up to 1/7 (Eddie Griffin) for 1/13 (Richard Jefferson), 1/18 (Jason Collins) and 1/23 (Brandon Armstrong).



It is probably not that's why I said it's important to improve our pick even to get the chance to crack into the top3-5.

Yes, but the Utah deal included a player with value. That happens often. But it's rare to package picks to move up and again, I don't see that moving up a couple of spots is worth such a huge premium. There will be a group of "magical players" and the depth of that group will determine how far up you can move. If there are 8 special players, you won't be able to trade up beyond the 9th slot. Everyone involved knows that the NBA is a star driven league and nobody is going to trade away one probable star for any number of probable non-stars.

This is a unique draft though. I can't remember a draft that projects to have so much talent available. I just hope we treat all of our 1st round picks as treasure rather than trade fodder as there will be NBA caliber players available throughout this draft. This draft is loaded at the top but it is also much deeper than I can remember too. I'd almost guarantee that 10 years from now there will have been quite a few All Star selections from players drafted in the teens and below from the 2014 class.

Steve

 

[JCSunsfan]

Not likely. It's awfully rare to combine picks for a high pick in the NBA draft. It works in the NFL but not in the NBA and especially if you're talking the kind of picks we are likely to have. We might be able to package the 12, 18, 22 and 27 pick for the number 8 pick or something like that but I can't think why we'd want to. It's certainly not going to get us into the top 3.

Steve

I would think it would be a draft day decision. If someone McD really likes slips to the 7-8 pick, and another team thinks they can get who they want with the Suns first pick that's in the 10 or so range, you might be able to swing something.

I know this. It is going to be a lot of fun to watch.

So, no one wants to take a stab at making picks? I am thinking that the hype on this draft is going to really grow through the season, and the picks we have are going to rise in value, maybe even above the true value you could actually draft with them. We might want to trade when they are high.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I would think it would be a draft day decision. If someone McD really likes slips to the 7-8 pick, and another team thinks they can get who they want with the Suns first pick that's in the 10 or so range, you might be able to swing something.

I know this. It is going to be a lot of fun to watch.

So, no one wants to take a stab at making picks? I am thinking that the hype on this draft is going to really grow through the season, and the picks we have are going to rise in value, maybe even above the true value you could actually draft with them. We might want to trade when they are high.

It's a little too early for me. I've only watched about a dozen games so far. If you're just looking for people to go out on a limb I'd say maybe someone like Jerami Grant with our 1st pick followed by Dario Saric, Isaiah Austin, and Noah Vonleh/Brandon Ashley with our other three. Each of them COULD still be available by the time we take our various picks. I'd also be watching Aaron Gordon, James Young, and Joel Embiid as possibles for us if we're picking around 10th. Any of them may be gone but it's likely at least one of them will still be around at the 10 spot.

Steve

 

[hcsilla]

Yes, but the Utah deal included a player with value.

No, it didn't.

It was strictly #14, 21 for #9.

 

[JCSunsfan]

It's a little too early for me. I've only watched about a dozen games so far. If you're just looking for people to go out on a limb I'd say maybe someone like Jerami Grant with our 1st pick followed by Dario Saric, Isaiah Austin, and Noah Vonleh/Brandon Ashley with our other three. Each of them COULD still be available by the time we take our various picks. I'd also be watching Aaron Gordon, James Young, and Joel Embiid as possibles for us if we're picking around 10th. Any of them may be gone but it's likely at least one of them will still be around at the 10 spot.

Steve

Well, of course its early. Its sort of like a preseason poll. It means nothing except that it is something to talk about.

 

[AzStevenCal]

No, it didn't.

It was strictly #14, 21 for #9.

You're right, I was thinking of a different deal. The point is the same though. If you're just talking about moving up into the lottery, yes, it's possible but once the league targets a special group you're not combining picks to move into that territory. And this is one draft where I would hate to spend two picks to get one selection unless it moved you into that elite range. There is just too much talent to waste a pick like that IMO especially since it is still a gamble. Not every projected star reaches that level but no one is moving out of the Wiggins, Parker, Randle group which is where all our fantasies lie.

Steve

 

[hcsilla]

BTW, once in a lifetime we might be a bit lucky and crack into the top3 even if our record is better.

 

[AzStevenCal]

BTW, once in a lifetime we might be a bit lucky and crack into the top3 even if our record is better.

I predict it every year we appear to be lottery bound. Eventually I'm going to get one right. Here's hoping it's this season.

Steve

 

[JS22]

I too think it would be crazy to draft 4 first rounders. Has anybody ever done that? If nothing better comes along the Suns can always trade a couple of those for future first rounders on draft day.

If by some crazy reason the Suns actually have all 4 picks (Washington isn't looking too hot) I expect 2 of them to be packaged in trades. 4 rookies on an already young roster is just too much.

 

[JS22]

Moving up in this draft is mostly possible by combining our picks.

Nope. A bunch of mid 1st rounders won't get you high enough in this draft.

Although I still think the Suns end up drafting somewhere in the 6-10 range.