Pick Watch 2018

[pokerface]

These are all good points although I would like to save the stretch provision for Knight if things go sour.

I guess it depends on what the suns hope to accomplish this offseason or next offseason in the free agency market. I thought they had some big plan this offseason thats why the Dudley idea came up because they need to free up money now versus a year from now.

 

[Mainstreet]

I guess it depends on what the suns hope to accomplish this offseason or next offseason in the free agency market. I thought they had some big plan this offseason thats why the Dudley idea came up because they need to free up money now versus a year from now.

I agree using the stretch provision on Dudley makes some sense.

However, since Dudley is an expiring contract, I'm hoping he can be included as part of a bigger trade to make salaries work.

 

[pokerface]

I agree using the stretch provision on Dudley makes some sense.

However, since Dudley is an expiring contract, I'm hoping he can be included as part of a bigger trade to make salaries work.

I think Knight still has two seasons left...ugh. I hope he can do something this season.

 

[Mainstreet]

I think Knight still has two seasons left...ugh. I hope he can do something this season.

You are right about the two seasons.

I'm just not betting on him doing something.

I sincerely hope he proves me wrong.

 

[pokerface]

You are right about the two seasons.

I'm just not betting on him doing something.

I sincerely hope he proves me wrong.

Maybe without Bledsoe and hiring a coach that knows what he's doing will help.

I still think these next two seasons will be transition years...but NOT tanking. This offseason could do wonders for this franchise however. A top four pick...a mid first rounder..the first pick in the second round. Plus some cap space...more future picks that can be dealt. We have flexibility and assets other teams dream about!

 

[JCSunsfan]

So. Was it Bledsoe demanding a trade that ultimately sped up the timeline? They ended up getting cap space this summer that they had not anticipated getting until 2019.

 

[Mainstreet]

Maybe without Bledsoe and hiring a coach that knows what he's doing will help.

I still think these next two seasons will be transition years...but NOT tanking. This offseason could do wonders for this franchise however. A top four pick...a mid first rounder..the first pick in the second round. Plus some cap space...more future picks that can be dealt. We have flexibility and assets other teams dream about!

I'm always open to change regarding Knight but I keep my eyes wide open.

I am less concerned about the Suns record so long as they are fully committed to being a competitive team building towards the playoffs.

 

[Mainstreet]

Scott Bordow does his first mock with the Suns getting Deandre Ayton and Shai Gilgeous-Alexander.

This would be a nice draft.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/spo...raft-deandre-ayton-going-suns-no-1/516781002/

 

[Mainstreet]

I was thinking if the Suns want the Bucks first round pick in this draft (likely for trade purposes) might they consider trading the Bucks the 31st pick for it to convey in this draft. It gives the Bucks a near first round pick and frees them to make future trades.

It likely doesn't happen because it makes the Bledsoe trade look worse. McDonough likely stipulated the protection on the Bucks pick.

 

[pokerface]

I was thinking if the Suns want the Bucks first round pick in this draft (likely for trade purposes) might they consider trading the Bucks the 31st pick for it to convey in this draft. It gives the Bucks a near first round pick and frees them to make future trades.

It likely doesn't happen because it makes the Bledsoe trade look worse. McDonough likely stipulated the protection on the Bucks pick.

It was the suns that put that stipulation on it to begin with. They don't want 17th pick

 

[Mainstreet]

It was the suns that put that stipulation on it to begin with.

This is what I said.

They don't want 17th pick

For trade purposes they might although it is likely a remote possibility.

 

[Hoop Head]

The only reason they'd want the 17th pick is to trade up with the Miami pick. I'm not sure having that this year would help do that this year.

 

[pokerface]

The only reason they'd want the 17th pick is to trade up with the Miami pick. I'm not sure having that this year would help do that this year.

Yeah right...it may be harder to trade up this draft.

 

[sunsfan88]

The only reason they'd want the 17th pick is to trade up with the Miami pick. I'm not sure having that this year would help do that this year.

It’s something they could’ve used to trade for Budenholzer as well if it came down to it.

 

[JCSunsfan]

It’s something they could’ve used to trade for Budenholzer as well if it came down to it.

We have plenty to compensate Atlanta if necessary. Yes, we might have been more likely to send that pick now, because we know where it will land. I doubt we would want to send that future Milwaukee pick because it could potentially be very good. Atlanta has too many picks in this draft anyway. Swapping the #19 for the #16 would be about right IMO.

 

[pokerface]

Ok I'm going back to the pick watch thread. Just pondering something...


Let's say the suns get #2 pick. Are there teams out there if they got #1 that would take a player OTHER than Ayton? Like I read the Grizz might be very interested in Doncic since they have Marc Gasol already. Is Ayton really the defacto #1 pick for every lottery team? Part of me thinks not...I just wonder how big or small that list is and which teams are on it.

 

[Phrazbit]

Pretty sure I'd take Doncic at #2 regardless... but a team who just came off a 22 win season would have to be CRAZY stupid to pass on a guy viewed as a generational talent because they have a decent player in his mid 30s at the same position.

IMO, Ayton is going first, no matter who has the pick.

 

[pokerface]

Pretty sure I'd take Doncic at #2 regardless... but a team who just came off a 22 win season would have to be CRAZY stupid to pass on a guy viewed as a generational talent because they have a decent player in his mid 30s at the same position.

IMO, Ayton is going first, no matter who has the pick.

Probably right but Doncic has a lot of support for #1 with certain polls and fan bases. Maybe with some teams too. But it's hard to imagine Ayton not going #1.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

Probably right but Doncic has a lot of support for #1 with certain polls and fan bases. Maybe with some teams too. But it's hard to imagine Ayton not going #1.

FWIW, the ESPN draft machine has the Grizzlies taking Doncic when they get the #1 pick. That appears to be the only team they project going that direction.

 

[pokerface]

FWIW, the ESPN draft machine has the Grizzlies taking Doncic when they get the #1 pick. That appears to be the only team they project going that direction.

That is the only team I thought might take Doncic over Ayton as well. But for some reason I thought the magic might...or maybe even the Knicks?

 

[Chris_Sanders]

FWIW, the ESPN draft machine has the Grizzlies taking Doncic when they get the #1 pick. That appears to be the only team they project going that direction.

I have seen this multiple times that the Grizzlies prefer Doncic. As Pokerface says, I have seen this about the Magic as well.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

That is the only team I thought might take Doncic over Ayton as well. But for some reason I thought the magic might...or maybe even the Knicks?

The Magic are contractually required to luck into a dominant center every once in a while only to have them leave. If they get the #1 pick, they're taking Ayton so he can eventually become a Laker.

 

[Hoop Head]

I think the Magic and Grizzlies both could take Doncic instead of Ayton but Memphis is more likely. Since Marc Gasol has pull with the ownership in Memphis I could see them passing on Ayton for him even though he's in his 30's. Orlando may float the idea but like the Suns I think who they draft will depend on who they hire as their coach. Right now 3 of the bottom 5 teams are actively searching for new coaches and Atlanta could join that group if they let Budenholzer leave for the Bucks job. Since Milwaukee is still in the playoffs right now I don't see them announcing their new coach, if that is Budenholzer, until they're eliminated. Maybe more lottery teams will make coaching changes after the lottery drawing.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I think the Magic and Grizzlies both could take Doncic instead of Ayton but Memphis is more likely. Since Marc Gasol has pull with the ownership in Memphis I could see them passing on Ayton for him even though he's in his 30's. Orlando may float the idea but like the Suns I think who they draft will depend on who they hire as their coach. Right now 3 of the bottom 5 teams are actively searching for new coaches and Atlanta could join that group if they let Budenholzer leave for the Bucks job. Since Milwaukee is still in the playoffs right now I don't see them announcing their new coach, if that is Budenholzer, until they're eliminated. Maybe more lottery teams will make coaching changes after the lottery drawing.

Why in the world would Orlando pass on a generational talent at C, especially right after a playoffs where dominant centers or teams with very good big men are the ones advancing?

 

[pokerface]

Why in the world would Orlando pass on a generational talent at C, especially right after a playoffs where dominant centers or teams with very good big men are the ones advancing?

Doncic is ranked a little higher than you might think. Plus he can be plugged in three different positions which broadens the spectrum of teams that could use him.