Picking a Right Tackle

[Harry]

I'm not a Humphries fan. Maybe his athleticism will prove sufficient to overcome what I see as a lack of commitment. Still I want a veteran lineman that DJ has to beat out to hold the position. My choice will likely be controversial. I like Donald Penn. He's had issues, but he played well for the Raiders and likely has a couple of decent years left. He's played mostly on the left side, but he was a solid right tackle for part of his college career. He would give the Cards good depth across the G/T part of the line. Finally he's affordable at this stage of his career. If the Cards have a win now mentality they need veteran help on the line.

 

[Stout]

I'm not a Humphries fan. Maybe his athleticism will prove sufficient to overcome what I see as a lack of commitment. Still I want a veteran lineman that DJ has to beat out to hold the position. My choice will likely be controversial. I like Donald Penn. He's had issues, but he played well for the Raiders and likely has a couple of decent years left. He's played mostly on the left side, but he was a solid right tackle for part of his college career. He would give the Cards good depth across the G/T part of the line. Finally he's affordable at this stage of his career. If the Cards have a win now mentality they need veteran help on the line.

I agree with both of these points, heavily. I don't especially know Penn, but the sentiment of getting a vet in at the position is a good one.

 

[az jam]

Totally agree. We need to have some depth and experience at this position. Hope Humphries does well but if he doesn't Palmer could be in for a long season. Critical that he is protected.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Humphries is a mega bust. He and Nickedglass are utter embarrassments.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

#1 - I am pushing for DJ Humphries to be our right tackle. The potential is there and those are the risks you HAVE TO take in the NFL.

#2 - I am a HUGE Donald Penn fan, and would love to have him on the Caridnals. He is no where near where he was in his youth, but the guy is an amazing athlete for his size, and plays with passion.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Humphries is a mega bust. He and Nickedglass are utter embarrassments.

Hasn't been in the league a year, and he is a bust ?

It took Adrian Wilson 4 years to become what he became. You are more than entitled to your opinion, I just feel it is a hasty one.

The closest thing a bust we have on the offensive line is Jonathan Cooper, who is now going into his fourth year, and cannot stay on the field.

 

[Stout]

#1 - I am pushing for DJ Humphries to be our right tackle. The potential is there and those are the risks you HAVE TO take in the NFL.

#2 - I am a HUGE Donald Penn fan, and would love to have him on the Caridnals. He is no where near where he was in his youth, but the guy is an amazing athlete for his size, and plays with passion.

I STRONGLY disagree. Maybe burning a #1 on a huge question mark guy to come in and play is a risk you have to take, but installing him as the #1 RT on what should be a Super Bowl contending team after he NEVER GOT A HELMET ON GAME DAY would be the absolute height of folly. Bringing in a vet you know can start and give you quality, and then letting the young man have a shot at the position is, IMO, the ONLY smart approach--without counting him a bust and moving on, which we of course shouldn't do yet either.

 

[kerouac9]

#1 - I am pushing for DJ Humphries to be our right tackle. The potential is there and those are the risks you HAVE TO take in the NFL.

#2 - I am a HUGE Donald Penn fan, and would love to have him on the Caridnals. He is no where near where he was in his youth, but the guy is an amazing athlete for his size, and plays with passion.

I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on the bottom-third OTs in the NFL, so I really have no idea about Donald Penn. He could be good? He's probably gone from wildly overrated to properly rated? Allowed 8 sacks and 7 penalties last season for the Raiders, which isn't great. He was playing on a 2-year, $9M contract, which feels rich for my blood.

What about Jake Long? He seems like an adequate risk/reward proposition for a very low salary with active-roster bonuses.

I STRONGLY disagree. Maybe burning a #1 on a huge question mark guy to come in and play is a risk you have to take, but installing him as the #1 RT on what should be a Super Bowl contending team after he NEVER GOT A HELMET ON GAME DAY would be the absolute height of folly. Bringing in a vet you know can start and give you quality, and then letting the young man have a shot at the position is, IMO, the ONLY smart approach--without counting him a bust and moving on, which we of course shouldn't do yet either.

I read Rugby's post say saying that he's "cheering" for Humphries to start. So am I; the Cards are better when their first-round picks work out. There are going to be no shortage of experienced options out there come March and into April.

 

[TJ]

You have to ride or die with DJ. No two ways about it.

I'm not a fan of his, but the sample size of DJ's ability is virtually non-existent, so much so that it's impossible to pass ultimate judgement and label him a "bust."

My only concern is who's going to snap the ball.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on the bottom-third OTs in the NFL, so I really have no idea about Donald Penn. He could be good? He's probably gone from wildly overrated to properly rated? Allowed 8 sacks and 7 penalties last season for the Raiders, which isn't great. He was playing on a 2-year, $9M contract, which feels rich for my blood.

What about Jake Long? He seems like an adequate risk/reward proposition for a very low salary with active-roster bonuses.



I read Rugby's post say saying that he's "cheering" for Humphries to start. So am I; the Cards are better when their first-round picks work out. There are going to be no shortage of experienced options out there come March and into April.

Jake Long would be better.

I just like Donald Penn, since I am a fan of the guy. Heart over head type thing.

#hesmyJimDray

 

[Goldfield]

#1 - I am pushing for DJ Humphries to be our right tackle. The potential is there and those are the risks you HAVE TO take in the NFL.

#2 - I am a HUGE Donald Penn fan, and would love to have him on the Caridnals. He is no where near where he was in his youth, but the guy is an amazing athlete for his size, and plays with passion.

This ^^^

 

[splitsecond]

Arians is already on the record saying DJ is going to be the guy

 

[kerouac9]

Arians is already on the record saying DJ is going to be the guy

Can you find that link?

 

[Reddog]

Arians is already on the record saying DJ is going to be the guy

Lets hope but means nothing given his Levi Brown is an Elite Tackle comment.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

You have to ride or die with DJ. No two ways about it.

Ha, I love your ridiculously authoritative proclamations.

In what universe do you "have to ride or die with DJ"? Have the Cards been banned from acquiring or playing any other right tackles? Has the league decreed that the team start Humphries or get disbanded?

Bringing in legit competition for a guy with the nickname "Knee Deep" is a more than reasonable position.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Can you find that link?

I never heard him outright say that. The best I heard was he would have been fine playing Humphries in the latter half of the season.

http://www.azcardinals.com/news-and...n-Cooper/c49b7de4-eb87-4571-a952-37530f4f1dbe

At least right now, Arians is backing his former first-rounders.

“The last half of the season, I’d have had no problems playing (Humphries),” Arians said. “I wouldn’t tell him that, but I had a ton of confidence in him.”

“I like our offensive line, where it’s at,” Arians added. “The young guys on the practice squad, I think, have really good futures. Then, both number one picks, I think, are going to be good players. I think we’re fine there.”

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[TJ]

Ha, I love your ridiculously authoritative proclamations.



In what universe do you "have to ride or die with DJ"? Have the Cards been banned from acquiring or playing any other right tackles? Has the league decreed that the team start Humphries or get disbanded?



Bringing in legit competition for a guy with the nickname "Knee Deep" is a more than reasonable position.

A relatively benign comment about our o-line situation didn't require an accusation of being "authoritative."

you have $26 million in cap space allocated to the o-line in 2016, which is roughly 20% of the entire cap. You also have to re-sign players like Rashad Johnson, extend Badger, find a pass rusher, a center, a backup QB, amongst other things. You're going to sink another $3-8mil to the position and/or find a low-level prospect to compete with him?

 

[splitsecond]

Can you find that link?

He told Bickley and Marrotta a while back in an interview. Said he could have started DJ the latter part of the season. Also said Cooper will be ready as well.

Of course, he did once say Levi Brown was elite, so a grain of salt is necessary.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

A relatively benign comment about our o-line situation didn't require an accusation of being "authoritative."

you have $26 million in cap space allocated to the o-line in 2016, which is roughly 20% of the entire cap. You also have to re-sign players like Rashad Johnson, extend Badger, find a pass rusher, a center, a backup QB, amongst other things. You're going to sink another $3-8mil to the position and/or find a low-level prospect to compete with him?

You don't have to re-sign Johnson, I don't understand the insistence on extending HB immediately after another major injury, yes on pass rusher, yes on center, yes on backup QB.

I just don't think you need a star at RT, or someone who will be commanding top tackle money - just someone to keep DJ honest and who could fill in as a starter if necessary.

The thought of a season hinging on DJ is terrifying, and I'd prefer some form of insurance.

 

[overseascardfan]

ARZ could get a good OT in Round 3 or 4.

Kyle Murphy
Spencer Drango
La'Raven Clarke
Joe Haeg
John Theus

 

[b8rtm8nn]

Keim states it directly around the 7:50 marker, expectation is to start with DJ and Cooper on the right side next year.

http://www.azcardinals.com/videos/v...ment-Two/751f7e11-c4dd-48fe-b709-f14d4231d917

 

[Stout]

I read Rugby's post say saying that he's "cheering" for Humphries to start. So am I; the Cards are better when their first-round picks work out. There are going to be no shortage of experienced options out there come March and into April.

Well, of course, if Humphries turns out to be an adequate starter, yeah, great. I'm "cheering" for that outcome too. I am NOT--and I can't believe anyone would be--cheering for him to start at this point. It would be the height of stupidity for our front office to put all of our eggs in that basket at RT. He's not just unproven--HE'S NEVER GOTTEN A HELMET ON GAME DAY.

You have to ride or die with DJ. No two ways about it.

I'm not a fan of his, but the sample size of DJ's ability is virtually non-existent, so much so that it's impossible to pass ultimate judgement and label him a "bust."

My only concern is who's going to snap the ball.

You absolutely do NOT have to ride or die with him. I mean, what kind of logic is that?

That's the problem--his sample size is indeed nonexistant, so there's absolutely NO way you can just say, 'hey, the job's 100 percent yours'. That's just horrific logic--or none at all.

You are right that you can't label him a bust yet. You certainly cannot pin all our hopes at RT on him, but you can't call him a bust yet. If he doesn't play well or, worse, doesn't play/is never active, he will 100 percent be a bust--barring injury.

I just can't believe people want to hand him the job on a platter. That is patently insane, IMO.

 

[AZCrazy]

You people are way too hasty and judgemental.
DJ Humphries is a 21 year old child. He will be a star 3 years from now.

 

[TJ]

You absolutely do NOT have to ride or die with him. I mean, what kind of logic is that?

That's the problem--his sample size is indeed nonexistant, so there's absolutely NO way you can just say, 'hey, the job's 100 percent yours'. That's just horrific logic--or none at all.

You are right that you can't label him a bust yet. You certainly cannot pin all our hopes at RT on him, but you can't call him a bust yet. If he doesn't play well or, worse, doesn't play/is never active, he will 100 percent be a bust--barring injury.

I just can't believe people want to hand him the job on a platter. That is patently insane, IMO.

Read my response to Chris. Look how much money we have sunk into the o-line in 2016, and that's assuming AQ Shipley is the starting center!!!

By drafting DJ in the first-round, there's somewhat of an obligation to give him the job outright because you were impressed with his body of work enough to pick him with your first pick and give him a 4-year/$9mil contract, almost fully guaranteed. Obviously, he's not going to be the only player on the team who can play RT, but thinking that the team can go out and be big spenders on another offensive linemen that doesn't play center to compete with DJ is insane to me considering the other priorities we have with the cap.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Read my response to Chris. Look how much money we have sunk into the o-line in 2016, and that's assuming AQ Shipley is the starting center!!!

By drafting DJ in the first-round, there's somewhat of an obligation to give him the job outright because you were impressed with his body of work enough to pick him with your first pick and give him a 4-year/$9mil contract, almost fully guaranteed. Obviously, he's not going to be the only player on the team who can play RT, but thinking that the team can go out and be big spenders on another offensive linemen that doesn't play center to compete with DJ is insane to me considering the other priorities we have with the cap.

just riding or dying on a guy at T who couldn't even be on the active roster once last year seems pretty crazy to me. I don't think we should go out and blow a ton of money on a RT, but there's no obligation to hand over a massively important position on the O-line to anyone.

Is Watford still under contract? If he is, I'm not in a panic to go out and get a shiny new RT because I thought he held down the fort pretty well there and would be solid competition with Humphries.