Pistons at Suns

[SirStefan32]

I actually think Beasley is the best SG option the Suns have.

I am not sure what Besley is, but he needs to learn how to pass the ball. If letting him play 2 would take the ball out of his hands a bit, I am all for it.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I am not sure what Besley is, but he needs to learn how to pass the ball. If letting him play 2 would take the ball out of his hands a bit, I am all for it.

Not to nit pick here but I think what he really needs to learn is WHEN to pass. He'll get taken out of his shot and instead of giving it back to the guard and allowing him to reset the offense, he just forces up a wild shot that is pretty much guaranteed to never go in.

Steve

 

[Mainstreet]

The NBA is only a mens game. If you don't believe me, here you go:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Basketball_Association

Women play in the WNBA and that's where women should also be commentating imo.

Actually I said basketball in my post below, not NBA.

Who is to say basketball is only a men's game? If she brings intelligence to broadcasting the Suns, I will like her.

However, I don't see your point. If she is knowledgeable she should do well broadcasting the Suns games.

 

[JS22]

I thought she was actually pretty good. MUCH better than Scott Williams.

 

[Mainstreet]

Not to nit pick here but I think what he really needs to learn is WHEN to pass. He'll get taken out of his shot and instead of giving it back to the guard and allowing him to reset the offense, he just forces up a wild shot that is pretty much guaranteed to never go in.

Steve

I don't think Beasley's role has been clearly defined in his previous stops.

 

[Superbone]

Not to be a sexist or anything but I cannot stand girls commentating guy sports. Same way with guys commentating girl sports.

Too late!

 

[SirStefan32]

Not to nit pick here but I think what he really needs to learn is WHEN to pass. He'll get taken out of his shot and instead of giving it back to the guard and allowing him to reset the offense, he just forces up a wild shot that is pretty much guaranteed to never go in.

Steve

Right, I agree, though I take it a step further. I actually think that he knows when to pass, but chooses not to do it. He is an extremely selfish player. Suns are really not helping him by talking about how they want him to be the go-to scorer. Pair up high expectations with the selfish nature, and you have a player who refuses to pass the ball.

To be fair, Beasley has always been my least favorite player in the league, so my analysis is probably not 100% objective.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Right, I agree, though I take it a step further. I actually think that he knows when to pass, but chooses not to do it. He is an extremely selfish player. Suns are really not helping him by talking about how they want him to be the go-to scorer. Pair up high expectations with the selfish nature, and you have a player who refuses to pass the ball.

To be fair, Beasley has always been my least favorite player in the league, so my analysis is probably not 100% objective.

The best scorers are selfish so I have no problem with that conceptually. He needs to learn that it serves his cause better in the long run to give the ball up when he's double teamed or forced into taking an off balance shot. He will get higher percentage shots as a result and the more effective you are as a scorer the more the offense will run through you. Also, your teammates will be much more likely to feed you the ball if they know you are going to make the right decision for the team. I'm not a Beasley fan either but he does have incredible talent and it's in our best interests for him to reach his potential.

Steve

 

[BC867]

I'd only fault Ann for her inability to get the announcer to shut up and call the game. I hate it when announcers start talking about something other than the play itself while the action is rolling.

I didn't expect much from Steve Albert as Suns TV play-by-play . . . and the first few games have not changed my mind.

As you said, he doesn't know when to stop talking or stick with the play-by-play.

He constantly insults himself, just as Mark Grace did with the D'backs. If he doesn't respect himself, who will?

Albert reminds me of Jerry Orbach on the original Law & Order. Orbach's father was a vaudevillian and his mother was a radio singer and he began as a song & dance man on Broadway. I saw him decades ago in The Apple Tree, and didn't like him then.

Of course, he was the butt of Patrick Swayze's "Nobody puts Baby in a corner." in Dirty Dancing. Every time I see or hear Steve Albert, I picture that scene.

Unfortunately (getting back to the subject), the play-by-play announcer is the supervisor of the booth. Neither Ann Meyers Drysdale nor Eddie Johnson is in the position to get him to shut up, as you suggested.

Only Dan Siekmann, Suns Director of Broadcasting, is in the position to do that. Didn't he listen to Steve Albert when he interviewed him? Or was he chosen as a poor man's Marv Albert (his brother, who himself has been involved in controversy during his career)? Yessss should have been a no-way!

 

[SirStefan32]

The best scorers are selfish so I have no problem with that conceptually. He needs to learn that it serves his cause better in the long run to give the ball up when he's double teamed or forced into taking an off balance shot. He will get higher percentage shots as a result and the more effective you are as a scorer the more the offense will run through you. Also, your teammates will be much more likely to feed you the ball if they know you are going to make the right decision for the team.

Steve

Right, you understand that, and I understand that. Beasley does not.
I completely agree that it's in the Suns' best interest to get him to reach his full potential, but I don't think Beasley has the cognitive ability to get anywhere near his full potential. You can lead the horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

 

[Chaz]

I have never been a Beasley fan but he its a Suns player now.

I think he passes too soon sometimes. The real problem is he needs to drive inside because so far he has been able to finish.

The real question is can he learn to fit into the team well enough to know where to be aggressive and when to be a facilitator well enough to be "the man".

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Right, you understand that, and I understand that. Beasley does not.
I completely agree that it's in the Suns' best interest to get him to reach his full potential, but I don't think Beasley has the cognitive ability to get anywhere near his full potential. You can lead the horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

I don't know that I would say what Beasley does or doesn't understand, but I will say that old habits typically die hard and he has bad habits. It will take a while for him to change habits, assuming he ever does, but it is certainly too early in the season to assume that he can't.

 

[JS22]

Great! Can't wait to see this board filled with posts about how much you hate the announcers, just like the Dbacks board.

I didn't expect much from Steve Albert as Suns TV play-by-play . . . and the first few games have not changed my mind.

As you said, he doesn't know when to stop talking or stick with the play-by-play.

He constantly insults himself, just as Mark Grace did with the D'backs. If he doesn't respect himself, who will?

Albert reminds me of Jerry Orbach on the original Law & Order. Orbach's father was a vaudevillian and his mother was a radio singer and he began as a song & dance man on Broadway. I saw him decades ago in The Apple Tree, and didn't like him then.

Of course, he was the butt of Patrick Swayze's "Nobody puts Baby in a corner." in Dirty Dancing. Every time I see or hear Steve Albert, I picture that scene.

Unfortunately (getting back to the subject), the play-by-play announcer is the supervisor of the booth. Neither Ann Meyers Drysdale nor Eddie Johnson is in the position to get him to shut up, as you suggested.

Only Dan Siekmann, Suns Director of Broadcasting, is in the position to do that. Didn't he listen to Steve Albert when he interviewed him? Or was he chosen as a poor man's Marv Albert (his brother, who himself has been involved in controversy during his career)? Yessss should have been a no-way!

 

[AzStevenCal]

Great! Can't wait to see this board filled with posts about how much you hate the announcers, just like the Dbacks board.

We're you just trying to get in a little shot at BC or did you appreciate the job Steve Albert did? I don't think he's the worst announcer in the world but several times during that game he'd go off on a tangent and completely ignore the action. As a fan of most Arizona sports, I get enough of that just about any time our team(s) get a national game. It's beyond insulting to have the local guy also ignore us and this was during a highly competitive contest. What's he going to do in the blowouts?

Steve

 

[sunsfan88]

I never played for the Pacers either and yet they let me be a fan. Should the NBA be restricted to male listeners only? How about the guy selling popcorn, should he be limited to the man's game only. There is no logic to justify restricting the announcer gender to the players gender. I'd only fault Ann for her inability to get the announcer to shut up and call the game. I hate it when announcers start talking about something other than the play itself while the action is rolling.

Steve

Yea but they would never let you be an announcer though. Big difference bud.

And I never said that only males should watch basketball. I just don't like girls commentating a game in which guys are the ones playing. Just my opinion.

Also, like I said earlier, I do not like guys commentating WNBA either.

 

[BC867]

Great! Can't wait to see this board filled with posts about how much you hate the announcers, just like the Dbacks board.

Didja notice that those Dbacks announcers you referred to are now the former announcers? Ultimately, they weren't fit to hold the job. And, yes, I was opinionated about it all along.

We're you just trying to get in a little shot at BC or did you appreciate the job Steve Albert did? I don't think he's the worst announcer in the world but several times during that game he'd go off on a tangent and completely ignore the action. As a fan of most Arizona sports, I get enough of that just about any time our team(s) get a national game. It's beyond insulting to have the local guy also ignore us and this was during a highly competitive contest. What's he going to do in the blowouts?

Steve

Thanks, Steve. Free speech prevails!

 

[sunsfan88]

i hate that doris burke lady or whatever her name is.

She's the worst!

 

[Superbone]

Also, like I said earlier, I do not like guys commentating WNBA either.

You watch the WNBA?

 

[jagu]

Aside from an Orlando Magic 3rd quarter where they turned into the Suns from Steve Nash yore, they weren't all that good. They made a lot of damn shots and even the scrubs started hitting. Suns aren't a good team, they are still pretty fun to watch when they are right (which was 1/2 of the Magic game).

 

[sunsfan88]

You watch the WNBA?

Hell no. That's why I said I want girls commentating that and the guys commentating the NBA.

Everyone wins.

 

[jagu]

When does the WNBA season begin and end lol? It's like a fictionary league to me!

 

[BC867]

Follow-up

I didn't expect much from Steve Albert as Suns TV play-by-play . . . and the first few games have not changed my mind.

As you said, he doesn't know when to stop talking or stick with the play-by-play.

I didn't seek to be uncomfortable with Steve Albert's play-by-play, but that was my feeling after his first few games.

He seems more relaxed now and I am warming up to him. I'll never again think of him as the guy that put Baby in the corner.

Bring some luck to the Suns, Steve.