Pitchers traded In Last Year

[82CardsGrad]

Question - Say Player A is traded to Team A for Player B. Then the team turns around and trades Player C (who plays same position as Player B) to Team C - wouldn't you consider the trades somewhat linked? In other words, once Player B is acquired, Player C becomes expendable and available to trade.

Yep...

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I feel like you are just trying to pick fights in here? Not sure why, never seen this behavior from you. Think this discussion with a level mind if you aren't already.

The points you're making are pure speculation, here are the facts;

Eaton went to the Whitesox in a 3 team deal that netted us Trumbo.

6 days later we traded Davidson for Reed straight up, this wasn't a case of PTBNL or anything of that nature.

Absolutely am not looking to pick fights. This rather silly conversation has spanned over multiple threads now.

You are also correct that they were separate deals (third time saying that).

As to the cause of my speculation...I believe it is the more likely truth.

Diamondbacks were working on two deals that are completed in a very short time frame. 1 involves 2 teams, one involves 3 teams.

A) As one of the trades involved a third team you couldn't complete both transactions at once. What if the trade with the third team falls through? You may want to use the asset in the second trade for something else to address what you consider to be your primary need.

So team x and y agree to complete second trade after the 3 team trade is completed. Team X and Y both saw the trades as a combined set of assets in and out with regards to their organization.

B) Team X and Y complete two different trades within 1 week without any thought as to the final product.

You can choose to dwell in the exact transaction and judge on that or you can look at the sum of what occurred.

I am looking at the sum.

Is this difference of view worth fighting over? I don't think so.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

When Skaggs was first traded Gambo said that one of his sources said the DBacks "knew something about Skaggs" and he said it was unfavorable information. Gambo has sources all over professional sports and they always seem to be spot on, so this news now makes sense

I didn't know this but good information. I just saw a guy who had two cups of coffee in the majors and couldn't get anyone out (5+ ERA)

 

[82CardsGrad]

I didn't know this but good information. I just saw a guy who had two cups of coffee in the majors and couldn't get anyone out (5+ ERA)

Yep...

 

[Matt L]

Skaggs trade, 8 month review:

Dbacks gave up:
Tyler Skaggs - mediocre In 2014, Collmenter, Nuno and especially Chase Anderson have all pitched better in 2014 than Skaggs. Injured, out until at least 2016, may never pitch again.
Adam Eaton - 1 HR, 32 RBI's, OPS .771 on DL for second time this season.

Dbacks got:
Mark Trumbo - 8 HR, 32 RBI's, OPS .672, was on DL.
Brandon Jacobs - 15 HR, 34 RBI's in High A
AJ Schugel - pitching decent in AA

While Trumbo isn't much, the Dbacks didn't give up anything to get him.

And, it gave players like Chase Anderson and David Peralta a chance to shine.

So far, both those players have performed better than Skaggs and Eaton.

We did give up two cost controlled players to get a guy who is arbitration eligible and does not have a position on defense.

Adam Eaton's OBP for this season was .370. That would be second highest on our team. He scored 55 runs for the White Sox this season. That would also be the second highest on the Diamondbacks. Skaggs was pretty average this year but he would not have been much worse than any of our starting pitchers this season.

David Peralta and Chase Anderson have nothing to do with that trade. If anything, we may have won more games had that trade never gone through.

 

[DWKB]

I guess I don't understand the mentality of even bothering to put up a nuanced opinion of the trades that would favor Kevin Towers at this point unless you think he made good choices in these deals and it's just bad luck, or fate that caused the team to be so ****ty. Otherwise why make the effort.

If the term "shine that turd" was ever appropriate it would be for that POV.

I've not seen a convincing argument that we won any of these trades and made the team better, but I've seen many that show we've lost them and made the team worst

Showing partial stats, not evaluating future expected production critically, and not considering payroll on a non NYY or LAD team does a disservice to critically examining the trades and the performance of our GM as a result.

Of course, regardless of your POV regarding our GM and his performance, we ultimately have no power to alter the course of the team in any meaningful way. Considering the amount of money they chose to invest in analytics when I was in contact with the team, I don't expect it to get better anytime soon.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Well...I will be shocked if KT is our GM next year. As I said earlier, he basically traded crap for crap (though the point that it was cheap crap for expensive crap is perfectly valid).

I wasn't looking to defend Towers or the organization with this. Just trying to look at what we ended up with. My mind is already on next season with two months left. This is probably why I feel he did well with the Kennedy deal but that might just be because everything else was so bad.

I should do a similar retrospect with the hitters. My gut feeling is that will be where we really see Towers deficiencies as a GM, based on the Upton deal alone.

 

[Lefty]

Well...I will be shocked if KT is our GM next year. As I said earlier, he basically traded crap for crap (though the point that it was cheap crap for expensive crap is perfectly valid).

I wasn't looking to defend Towers or the organization with this. Just trying to look at what we ended up with. My mind is already on next season with two months left. This is probably why I feel he did well with the Kennedy deal but that might just be because everything else was so bad.

I should do a similar retrospect with the hitters. My gut feeling is that will be where we really see Towers deficiencies as a GM, based on the Upton deal alone.

This is the highest payroll this team has had and he basically assembled a triple-A team. Overpaying veterans who are at the end of their prime was a huge mistake. His thinking is archaic, this organization needs someone who is not old school.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

I will also add David Holmberg to the list.

1-6 record
4.74 era
1.65 WHIP

These are his Triple A numbers.. While the key component Arizona got back (player wise) surprisingly retired in Spring Training, and I complained about the lunacy of trading a good prospect to shed salary; this too looks to be the right move by Towers.

 

[82CardsGrad]

I will also add David Holmberg to the list.

1-6 record
4.74 era
1.65 WHIP

These are his Triple A numbers.. While the key component Arizona got back (player wise) surprisingly retired in Spring Training, and I complained about the lunacy of trading a good prospect to shed salary; this too looks to be the right move by Towers.

Paging Phrazbit...... Phrazbit? Buehler?

 

[Phrazbit]

Paging Phrazbit...... Phrazbit? Buehler?

Again, we traded an asset for literally... nothing. And as we're seeing with Bauer, claiming a "win" on a trade because a very young pitcher is struggling is comically short sighted.

I also don't think you want to get an "I told you so" train rolling.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Again, we traded an asset for literally... nothing. And as we're seeing with Bauer, claiming a "win" on a trade because a very young pitcher is struggling is comically short sighted.

I also don't think you want to get an "I told you so" train rolling.

An "asset"? To be considered an "asset", there has to be value associated with that asset. You claimed Holmberg had value. I said otherwise and my prediction for him has held true... That's all...