Play the Quick GM before the draft..

[MastersofCombat]

Lets say you have the Cardinals #3 pick in the first round. Who do stake you job on to produce.
- Would you want someone like a QB that could start in a year or two?
- Would you want Fitz or WIlliams because it might make the Cardinals dominate in at least one position of the team.
- I am not giving the option for a trade because some team would have to come to you for that with an offer.
- WOuld you go Defense.

 

[MastersofCombat]

I made my pick simply because I think he is the smartest pick the Cardinals could make and the most likely to produce in the first year.












.......KW

 

[Stout]

Lets say you have the Cardinals #3 pick in the first round. Who do stake you job on to produce.
- Would you want someone like a QB that could start in a year or two?
- Would you want Fitz or WIlliams because it might make the Cardinals dominate in at least one position of the team.
- I am not giving the option for a trade because some team would have to come to you for that with an offer.
- WOuld you go Defense.

QB of the future, if I was sold on Big Ben or Eli and, personally, I am. If you don't have one, and you have the opportunity to take one, you do it. No question, IMO.

I know some of you are going to say we do have one, but IMHO, there is NO FRIGGIN' WAY we can know that. McCown showed some good things and some very nice potential, but that's ALL. He showed nothing in college but raw potential, and that's all he's shown in the NFL. With kids like Big Ben and Eli, they've shown that they have a pretty good shot at success in the NFL and their ceiling is very high.

Granted, it may turn out that you have two very gifted franchise QBs on your hands in a year or two, which is a very enviable position to be in. Of course, you could just as easily have had one or the other bust---IMO, it's always good to have overplanning at the QB position rather than underplanning.

That's my 2 cents. I'm stepping off the stump now and I'm going to brush down and water my hobby horse.

 

[MastersofCombat]

NO we have no proof we have one at all......
I think if you get past the "HOMERS" and think like a GM in this thread no way you say we absolutely have a QB that will lead us into the future.'

 

[CardShark]

I personally would choose Manning, but with the comments coming from from a proven head coach that McCown has the tools to get us there, then I give him what he says he needs to make it work. That's Fitz. There's probably going to be another "franchise" QB coming out next year. if McCown doesn't work out then we'll probably have the best shot at getting him. Besides, it's not the "franchise" QB's that have been winning the big one.

 

[Shane]

NO we have no proof we have one at all......
I think if you get past the "HOMERS" and think like a GM in this thread no way you say we absolutely have a QB that will lead us into the future.'

There is no way you can do that even after you have drafted one of the big two QBs. So I dont see the point?

 

[slanidrac16]

I took fitz.

Because I beleive that is the player Denny Green wants and needs to turn this offense into a dynamic offensive power. As I have said before , every team DG has coached, they have been a scoring machine. Give the man the tools he needs. If we score 400-425 pts. this season our defense won't look as bad as it has in the past.

 

[Shane]

Because I beleive that is the player Denny Green wants and needs to turn this offense into a dynamic offensive power. As I have said before , every team DG has coached, they have been a scoring machine. Give the man the tools he needs. If we score 400-425 pts. this season our defense won't look as bad as it has in the past.

Even scoring wouldnt make the D we had the last few years look any better. They were just too terrible. We just would have had more competative high scoring games.

If the D looks better this year it is either due to coaching or some slight personnel change. Not because we scored more points.

 

[Southpaw]

Immediate impact. Helps the LBs and CBs.

 

[40yearfan]

Taylor. Go defense rounds 1 and 2, then WR in 3 and BPA after that.

 

[azwulf]

Definitly a franchise QB. No big difference in Ben (slightly ahead on my board) Eli or Rivers. Go WR (speedster) in the second and than DT.

 

[Pariah]

Big Ben Roethlisberger.

Let's get a guy that has all the potential in the world. A guy that should be able to take the team on his back and win games single-handidly. A guy that can lead and inspire the team. That guy is Big Ben.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Big Ben Roethlisberger.

Let's get a guy that has all the potential in the world.

With offensive lineman footspeed....(4.85)

 

[Renz]

If Manning falls to #3 I think we have to take him. Guys with that much potential just don't come along very often. I'd be happy with Fitz too.

 

[Pariah]

E. Manning, QB: 4.90 40
P. Rivers, QB: 5.00 40
R. Gallery, OT: 4.94
S. Andrews, OT: 5.35
J. Rogers, OT: 5.25

This is your brain.

With offensive lineman footspeed....(4.85)

This is your brain on drugs.

Roethlisberger is actually being lauded for his mobility, not marked down for it.

 

[Krangodnzr]

This is your brain.


This is your brain on drugs.

Roethlisberger is actually being lauded for his mobility, not marked down for it.

I'll just ignore the other junk...

Running ability: Lacks great elusiveness and acceleration. Is not a threat to run. However, is quick and is by no means a statue in the pocket. Is deceptively athletic. Has adequate speed. Terrific pocket presence. Creates second chances with his feet. Grade: 8.5

Not exactly "lauded"...

laud ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lôd)
tr.v. laud·ed, laud·ing, lauds
To give praise to; glorify. See Synonyms at praise.

n.
Praise; glorification.
A hymn or song of praise.
lauds also Lauds (used with a sing. or pl. verb)
Ecclesiastical. The service of prayers following the matins and constituting with them the first of the seven canonical hours.
The time appointed for this service.

He has adequate speed, but closer to an olineman (albeit a faster one) than other skill position players. This is a hole in his game. In an era where a quite a few Qbs are running faster times, Ben's speed is only adequate.

McCown runs around a 4.5 for comparisons sake...

So Ben isn't the "total package".

 

[Stout]

Krang, you're just going to believe what you want to believe. If I wanted, I could look up the reports after Big Ben's workouts, where scouts were quite pleased and impressed with his numbers, and those numbers supposedly allayed any fears over his speed and mobility.

If you just don't like the kid, say so, but stop being so biased. We shouldn't even touch your boy Rivers with a 10 foot pole, according to your analysis of a QB and footspeed, then. No, wait, you decided to 'ignore' all the other stuff that was posted.

Am I to assume, then, that the ONLY kind of QB you want is the speedster-scrambler type? Vick, McNabb, and dare I say it, Plummer? Because that's what it's sounding like to me.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Krang, you're just going to believe what you want to believe. If I wanted, I could look up the reports after Big Ben's workouts, where scouts were quite pleased and impressed with his numbers, and those numbers supposedly allayed any fears over his speed and mobility.

The workouts just proved that he wasn't too slow, though his 40 time, as I predicted, was worse than Leftwich's.

If you just don't like the kid, say so, but stop being so biased. We shouldn't even touch your boy Rivers with a 10 foot pole, according to your analysis of a QB and footspeed, then. No, wait, you decided to 'ignore' all the other stuff that was posted.

Well for you to say this would mean that you would have to ignore my comments on Rivers. Rivers is slow, slow as molasses. Slower than most NFL Qbs. Slower than Leonard Davis.

But just like Roeth., he is effective despite being slow. Rivers will need a good offensive line to be effective in the NFL. IMO Roeth. will need the same.

Am I to assume, then, that the ONLY kind of QB you want is the speedster-scrambler type? Vick, McNabb, and dare I say it, Plummer? Because that's what it's sounding like to me.

You assume correctly. Other than Peyton (who is the exception for me), I prefer QBs with at least decent footspeed. QBs have become much more dynamic over the years, and Roeth doesn't exactly fit that bill. McCown is more of what I'm looking for from a size, speed, arm strength perspective.

Vick is short, but he is the prototype QB for the new NFL.

 

[Pariah]

I'll just ignore the other junk...

Why would you ignore the other "junk?" The other junk were the 40 times for the other two top-QBs (both of whom have slower 40's than Roethlisberger) and the 40 times of the top offensive linemen in the draft (which you compared his speed to).

He has adequate speed, but closer to an olineman (albeit a faster one) than other skill position players. This is a hole in his game. In an era where a quite a few Qbs are running faster times, Ben's speed is only adequate.

McCown runs around a 4.5 for comparisons sake...

So Ben isn't the "total package".

Yes, there are faster QBs in the NFL, but there are also a lot of slower ones, too. I never said he was the "total package," so I'm not sure why you put those in quotes.

Here's what some other sources have to say about his mobility:

• "Blessed with the size of a linebacker and the mobility of a tailback," http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/ben_roethlisberger
• Here's one from Jeff's BRS: "One thing that leaps out is his 3-Cone time which among other things measures agility. 6.81 is what you expect from wideouts and corners; not a "slow" QB. So here you have this big guy and you're not sure if he's slow or whether he just makes things look easy. The cone drill suggests he makes things look easy."
• "He also has great moves, often making the first defender miss. He also throws with incredible accuracy on the run... especially for a player his size." http://www.sportznutz.com/nfl/draft/players/roethlisberger_ben.htm
• "Ben R-Berger is, overall, the most physically-gifted quarterback in the draft. He has a cannon arm and pretty good mobility to go along with imposing size...his athletic skills are amazing." http://www.otcdraft.com/news/articles/BenRoethlisberger.php

I'm googled out, but Big Ben IS being "lauded" for his mobility. Is he a scrambling QB ala Jake Plummer and Mike Vick? No, he's not. He's a pocket passer that can move. Mobility isn't a "hole" in his game. If there's a knock on him, it's that he's inexperienced at the position. He was a WR until his Sr. year in HS.

 

[sundevilscott]

I would be very happy with either of the 2 QBs. If Eli is there you have to take him in my opinion.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Why would you ignore the other "junk?" The other junk were the 40 times for the other two top-QBs (both of whom have slower 40's than Roethlisberger) and the 40 times of the top offensive linemen in the draft (which you compared his speed to).

I was referring the jokes you threw out there, not the Olineman's speed, which his footspeed is still comparable to.

Yes, there are faster QBs in the NFL, but there are also a lot of slower ones, too. I never said he was the "total package," so I'm not sure why you put those in quotes.

I've heard others refer to him as the "total package". You probably didn't as you say above. Ben Roeth is slower than most top QBs to come out in the past few years, slower than Leftwich, Pennington, Palmer, Harrington, Carr, etc.

I just prefer faster QBs...personal preference, which is also why I'm not a huge fan of Eli either. Rivers is actually slower than Eli and Ben, but he has a quicker release, and I wouldn't advocate taking him at #3 either.

Here's what some other sources have to say about his mobility:

• "Blessed with the size of a linebacker and the mobility of a tailback," http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/ben_roethlisberger
• Here's one from Jeff's BRS: "One thing that leaps out is his 3-Cone time which among other things measures agility. 6.81 is what you expect from wideouts and corners; not a "slow" QB. So here you have this big guy and you're not sure if he's slow or whether he just makes things look easy. The cone drill suggests he makes things look easy."
• "He also has great moves, often making the first defender miss. He also throws with incredible accuracy on the run... especially for a player his size." http://www.sportznutz.com/nfl/draft/players/roethlisberger_ben.htm
• "Ben R-Berger is, overall, the most physically-gifted quarterback in the draft. He has a cannon arm and pretty good mobility to go along with imposing size...his athletic skills are amazing." http://www.otcdraft.com/news/articles/BenRoethlisberger.php

I'm googled out, but Big Ben IS being "lauded" for his mobility. Is he a scrambling QB ala Jake Plummer and Mike Vick? No, he's not. He's a pocket passer that can move. Mobility isn't a "hole" in his game. If there's a knock on him, it's that he's inexperienced at the position. He was a WR until his Sr. year in HS.

I disagree with everyone of those sources, but that's from actually watching Ben play. He looked very slow to me, and if you remember correctly, I kept saying that. And he confirmed that with his forty time.

 

[Pariah]

I just prefer faster QBs...personal preference, which is also why I'm not a huge fan of Eli either. Rivers is actually slower than Eli and Ben, but he has a quicker release, and I wouldn't advocate taking him at #3 either.

I disagree with everyone of those sources, but that's from actually watching Ben play. He looked very slow to me, and if you remember correctly, I kept saying that. And he confirmed that with his forty time.

Well, you're wrong. I'm right.

 

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[Pariah]

I don't know why, but just this smiley alone in a post makes me laugh.