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I know my mind is slipping....but historically speaking...it seams we rarely draft the players we have in for workouts...almost like they stay away from the guys they really like so they don't tip their hand.
Some truth to that. Some they really need to pound questions off them. Strange they haven't had any links to Lynch. But it seems like if they take a QB flyer it will be late again, unless there is someone they just can't let slip by them in the 2-3rd. But if that's the case, why would you let Lynch slip by in the first? At least force a trade with Denver who must be drooling over the prospect of landing him with the last pick of the 1st.
 

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Some truth to that. Some they really need to pound questions off them. Strange they haven't had any links to Lynch. But it seems like if they take a QB flyer it will be late again, unless there is someone they just can't let slip by them in the 2-3rd. But if that's the case, why would you let Lynch slip by in the first? At least force a trade with Denver who must be drooling over the prospect of landing him with the last pick of the 1st.

I'm pretty sure that they talked to Lynch at the Combine. He was one of their interviews. I saw that on WalterFootball.com. Its posted above on this thread.
 
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Some truth to that. Some they really need to pound questions off them. Strange they haven't had any links to Lynch. But it seems like if they take a QB flyer it will be late again, unless there is someone they just can't let slip by them in the 2-3rd. But if that's the case, why would you let Lynch slip by in the first? At least force a trade with Denver who must be drooling over the prospect of landing him with the last pick of the 1st.



I am guessing Kaep and the Niners lose leverage the closer the draft gets...expecting to see a deal before then.

Kaep may not be the answer...but he presents the impression the broncos have done what they can for the position after Brock "screwed them over"....so there will be little backlash if they have a couple bad seasons....bad seasons put you in better position to draft a QB
 

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I am guessing Kaep and the Niners lose leverage the closer the draft gets...expecting to see a deal before then.

Kaep may not be the answer...but he presents the impression the broncos have done what they can for the position after Brock "screwed them over"....so there will be little backlash if they have a couple bad seasons....bad seasons put you in better position to draft a QB

They called off the Kaep trade because he wouldn't take a pay cut.
 

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They called off the Kaep trade because he wouldn't take a pay cut.

Which is hilarious because Kubiak's scheme is the only one in the NFL as far as I know where Kaep has even a remote chance to do anything positive.

Kelly's system will mentally fry Kaep. Kaep's mental processing issues and ability to keep his timing down on his throws (like Ryan Lindley) means the average NFL offense is already too complex for him.

Kubiak's will slow it down, get him in space, and let him have his best shot to succeed. He'll probably still suck, but such a situation there would be some good with the bad.

In SF, he'd have to use a much more difficult then the average NFL offense to run.

People around the country generically think he would 'fit' well in Kelly's offense because he's so fast and agile. (or at least before the three surgeries he had in the offseason, one on his knee)

But what people don't realize is that Kelly's offense is an offense where you have three plays called. Then dictating on what certain defenders do after the snap, you have to then choose that play, remember the routes, and keep the timing down.

In other words, it's leagues tougher mentally then anything Kaep has ever done.

It's probably the WORST offense for him to be in. Yet strangely, everyone thinks it's the BEST.

Then his shaky confidence comes into play, and he'll start pulling every pass because he can't run the offense. That will be ineffective and get him hurt.

As a Cardinal fan, I really hope he stays on the 49ers. I can't wait to see him crash and burn in Kelly's offense.

But if Kaep wants to succeed in the NFL. Ever win a championship. Ever want to have a chance at another contract (that's not basically around the vet minimum or so to be a backup or 3rd stringer), his best shot is in Denver.

They have a better OL. Better skill players. Much better defense. They are not on a team imploding. They don't have Chip Kelly as head coach.

If anything, to me it indicates he simply is not confident in his skills as a player or for his future in the NFL. He'd rather sacrifice his only shot at redemption and to stay on a team he wants to leave just to collect one more year at full salary.

I understand it as a human being, but as a football fan, it's a hilariously bad choice. He's choosing to ride the pine rather then play for the defending champions. That's looks hilarious bad from a competitive, love from the game stand point and desire to win. Can't blame him personally, but professionally it looks like suicide.

The 49ers should look for a QB. But do the top three fit Kelly's system? On the surface I would say no. But there's a lot of unknowns still. They might have the skills to develop into it. But it's a risk.
 
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Gilbert was put through his positional drill paces by Colts assistant OL coach Joe Gilbert. The 6-foot-6, 307-pounder believes one of his strongest attributes is his versatility, as he's played both guard and center. Said Glasgow, "I think that’s probably a big thing, that I’m pretty versatile. I feel like I play both at a pretty high level, so I think that’s just something that a lot of NFL teams with limited rosters spots value." NFL Media senior analyst Gil Brandt sees his best position as center. In the coming weeks, he has workouts set with the Cardinals, Texans, Panthers and (maybe) the Falcons.
 

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I believe I read a stat last year that stated in the Cardinals past 5 years ....when looking at the players they brought in...NOT ONE OF THEM WAS EVER DRAFTED BY THE CARDINALS.

I think a lot of teams do this for future evaluation purposes...be it in case they have to face the player.
 

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I believe I read a stat last year that stated in the Cardinals past 5 years ....when looking at the players they brought in...NOT ONE OF THEM WAS EVER DRAFTED BY THE CARDINALS.

I think a lot of teams do this for future evaluation purposes...be it in case they have to face the player.

I think they brought Justin Bethel in for a workout, or at least there was some pre-draft interest.


I may be wrong, yet your point is quite valid.
 

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Not every visit or private workouts are reported. Don't believe anything that the HCs or GMs put out to the media at this time of the year.
 
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Which is hilarious because Kubiak's scheme is the only one in the NFL as far as I know where Kaep has even a remote chance to do anything positive.

Kelly's system will mentally fry Kaep. Kaep's mental processing issues and ability to keep his timing down on his throws (like Ryan Lindley) means the average NFL offense is already too complex for him.

Kubiak's will slow it down, get him in space, and let him have his best shot to succeed. He'll probably still suck, but such a situation there would be some good with the bad.

In SF, he'd have to use a much more difficult then the average NFL offense to run.

People around the country generically think he would 'fit' well in Kelly's offense because he's so fast and agile. (or at least before the three surgeries he had in the offseason, one on his knee)

But what people don't realize is that Kelly's offense is an offense where you have three plays called. Then dictating on what certain defenders do after the snap, you have to then choose that play, remember the routes, and keep the timing down.

In other words, it's leagues tougher mentally then anything Kaep has ever done.

It's probably the WORST offense for him to be in. Yet strangely, everyone thinks it's the BEST.

Then his shaky confidence comes into play, and he'll start pulling every pass because he can't run the offense. That will be ineffective and get him hurt.

As a Cardinal fan, I really hope he stays on the 49ers. I can't wait to see him crash and burn in Kelly's offense.

But if Kaep wants to succeed in the NFL. Ever win a championship. Ever want to have a chance at another contract (that's not basically around the vet minimum or so to be a backup or 3rd stringer), his best shot is in Denver.

They have a better OL. Better skill players. Much better defense. They are not on a team imploding. They don't have Chip Kelly as head coach.

If anything, to me it indicates he simply is not confident in his skills as a player or for his future in the NFL. He'd rather sacrifice his only shot at redemption and to stay on a team he wants to leave just to collect one more year at full salary.

I understand it as a human being, but as a football fan, it's a hilariously bad choice. He's choosing to ride the pine rather then play for the defending champions. That's looks hilarious bad from a competitive, love from the game stand point and desire to win. Can't blame him personally, but professionally it looks like suicide.

The 49ers should look for a QB. But do the top three fit Kelly's system? On the surface I would say no. But there's a lot of unknowns still. They might have the skills to develop into it. But it's a risk.

And Chip Kelly won't take advantage of Kaep's athleticism with the read option? In an offense that has similarities to what Kaep ran successfully at UNR? You're acting as if Kaep is destined to fail, when history has proven that this offense is pretty much tailor made for his skillset. It's not complicated to figure out, which is why guys like Bradford and Sanchez have had relative production within the scheme, with not even half of the athleticism that Kaepernick has. If the offense runs only six plays, it's fairly easy to pick up the nuances of the read option with a full offseason.

In addition, you're speculating that Kaep is going to be benched this year. If the 9ers have already paid his $11.9mil 2016 salary, it's likely that he at least gets the first few games of the season to start, even if the team selects a QB at #7, and there are no guarantees that Goff or Wentz will be there for the taking.

Furthermore, why are you faulting a guy who is reportedly declining a $4-5 million pay cut? That's not a "hilariously bad choice." That's close to 10% of the total guaranteed money on his contract in a business in which tomorrow is never guaranteed.

I can get on board with some of the Kaepernick criticism, but the sweeping generalizations are frankly bogus.
 
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Teams use meetings to address their concerns with players or see how they will translate. It is more to help finalize the board than anything else. If you look at players who are brought in, or who meet with the team, normally there is a question mark attached to that player.

It doesn't highlight who teams are going to draft, but instead highlights who teams have questions about.

Give me any player the Cardinals have had a meeting with or a private workout and I can tell you what they are trying to figure out.
 

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Interesting note for #AZCardinals fans: Emmanuel Ogbah had a private meeting with the team in Stillwater in addition to his private workout.

If he's there at #29, he should be the pick.
 

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And Chip Kelly won't take advantage of Kaep's athleticism with the read option? In an offense that has similarities to what Kaep ran successfully at UNR? You're acting as if Kaep is destined to fail, when history has proven that this offense is pretty much tailor made for his skillset. It's not complicated to figure out, which is why guys like Bradford and Sanchez have had relative production within the scheme, with not even half of the athleticism that Kaepernick has. If the offense runs only six plays, it's fairly easy to pick up the nuances of the read option with a full offseason.

In addition, you're speculating that Kaep is going to be benched this year. If the 9ers have already paid his $11.9mil 2016 salary, it's likely that he at least gets the first few games of the season to start, even if the team selects a QB at #7, and there are no guarantees that Goff or Wentz will be there for the taking.

Furthermore, why are you faulting a guy who is reportedly declining a $4-5 million pay cut? That's not a "hilariously bad choice." That's close to 10% of the total guaranteed money on his contract in a business in which tomorrow is never guaranteed.

I can get on board with some of the Kaepernick criticism, but the sweeping generalizations are frankly bogus.

Sweeping generalizations? No.

Chip's offense is dictated by having the QB go to the huddle with THREE plays. Then based on what people such as the safety or middle linebacker, or defensive end (or whatever given the playcalls), the QB is supposed to realize which play to actually run.

Then from that point, they must remember the routes, have the timing down, and get the ball there.

In other words, it is far more mentally taxing and faster then anything he has done before.

Above all else, Chip needs a fast processing person at QB. That's #1 in his offense. If you can't do that, you can't run his offense period.

It's not sweeping generalization to say that Kaep has trouble processing information quickly from a football QB perspective. That has been his biggest knock, and it's quite correct.

It's not a sweeping generalization to say that Kaep, who has troubles moving from one receiver to another and keeping the timing down and awareness of defenders up to suddenly have to process three plays at once and think there is going to be trouble.

In addition, what happens when someone can't mentally process something, well they go into CYA mode. For Kaepernick, that would likely be running the ball in bad situations, something that can easily get him injured. Especially since he had three offseason surgeries, including one to his shoulder, thumb, and knee. That's not a good place to be when your athleticism is what you bring to the table far above anything else.

I'm speculating the 49ers will bench Kaep for many reasons. One reason to start a guy isn't 'we paid him money'.

It's a sunk cost. He was signed to a contract. They either had to get rid of him, or try to trade him. The writing is on the wall TJ.

They let his agent contact teams. They let Kaepernick visit the Broncos TWICE, once even the night before offseason workouts start. You think if Kelly really wanted Kaep there and thought he was a fit they would let him do that?

You couple that with what I lay out above, and the fact that he wasn't their starting QB to finish the year, and yes I'm not out on a limb.

He currently is not the starting QB. Gabbert is. Kelly's offense is probably the worst for Kaep. Plus there's a good chance, even if he isn't traded, he sucks in the preseason and is officially benched for good. Hell I can see them cutting him during preseason. Maybe not. But there can definitely be a valid case to do that.

He doesn't want to be there. That's a bad influence on the team. Not exactly what a team that has had so many problems the last couple of years wants with a new coaching staff. (A coach who had a mutiny in Philly happen to him no less). Sometimes it's best for a team to simply move on. At that point it's better to have a different QB on the roster or a person of another position. So as you can see, despite what they paid him, sometimes it's better to cut ties.

Now, if for some reason he lasts the season riding the pine (and maybe we get to see him most likely fail in an injury relief situation), they would have no choice but to cut him rather then paying another year an insane amount to sit the bench. That's not a sweeping generalization.

Could he have some limited success. Sure. Everyone once in a while good things will happen. He could go in there and throw one pass, or make a big run. He has talent. But consistently for the long term, no, not under Kelly's system.

As I laid out TJ it IS hilariously bad decision.

He can play ONE more season before that contract is cut (if not sooner) on a crappy team with an offense completely unsuited for him which I'm sure won't put out tape that helps further his career in 2017, one that has lost another offensive lineman Boone, doesn't have Boldin signed yet, Vernon Davis is gone......

Or he could get 2yrs 14 million in a restructure from Elway (as has been reported) which is more than 11.9, AND he gets to play on the defending champions.

Not just that though, he gets to play in an offense that would protect him, much like Harbaugh.

The only type of offense he's had success in, in the NFL. Now I personally don't think it'll work out in Denver if he goes, but IF he has a shot to succeed, it's an offense that covers for his mental limitations.

Those boots and rollouts in Kubiak's offense with a strong running commitment would allow Kaep the extra second or two in a normal offense where he keys in on one or two receivers allowing him the time and space to process everything and make better decisions. It also would give him some wide open running lanes, much better then a read option.

If Kaep was my QB, I'd rather have him get some 40 yard runs that are wide open lanes every once in a while in a Kubiak rollout or bootleg, rather then hoping he can take hits on a more 3-5 yards runs and every once in awhile can take one 40+ in Kelly's read-option. As I said again, he's already needing surgeries and isn't healthy still... even though he was benched and we're three months past the season.

I don't think it's a sweeping generalization to say that Kaep should be looking to go to a more controlled and safe offense like Harbaugh's in Kubiak. I mean they just won the Superbowl with a broken down Manning.

Also, since they have a great defense (even though it's had some defections it will still be good), Kaep won't feel the need to carry the team on his back, like he would with the 49ers.

So yes, more money, better team, better offense... all equals the best situation going forward for Kaepernick to make money. So yes, he could rest on his laurels and try to save 4.9 million, or he could get more over two years and position himself the best possible to get another contract.

That's the key. If he succeeds, and really only the Broncos give him that chance realistically, he can make 10x what he is protecting or more by being on the Broncos, and either re-signing there, or taking a free agent offer after doing some good in Denver. His other choice is realistically to stay in SF and sign a backup deal on whatever team with whatever offense and hope it sticks and a few years down the road maybe he gets another shot.

Life isn't fated. This choice could literally be the difference between out of the league or backup until he is.... or tens of millions more dollars as a low end starting QB. Sometimes players in wrong situations get labelled and are cast aside.

Plus Kaep has made it known he wants to leave, he gets a gift of an opportunity to start on the defending champions (ask yourself how many QB's have ever been given that opportunity), and he turns it down.

It IS a hilariously bad choice. That's not a sweeping generalization. It's a sane take on the facts.

It's not just him though, the 49ers could cave too. It's really more of the 49ers vs Kaep on which one will blink first. But the Broncos don't want to play that game. So the Broncos put the onus on them to figure it out, or the deal is off the table. That's why the Broncos have semi-pulled their offer. It's still there, likely until the draft, but then it's likely gone.

Kaep should blink because he's the one who wants out. He's the one who has to ultimately live with what happens either way. He's the one who has the parachute from a burning building.

The 49ers could easily cave too, eat 4.9 million for a draft pick, and getting out from the contract right now and not have to deal with it later, and not having Kaepernick potentially poisoning the well in SF either. Plus they are out on the limb. 11.9 million for a pine rider is alot worse then 7 million and a draft pick.

The Broncos have the power in the situation. Even if they need a QB, the 49ers need to unload Kaep more, and Kaep needs to leave more. The Broncos have options. There's Fitzpatrick. There's potentially Josh McCown. There's draft picks. There's still cuts.

The Broncos might even be able to get Kaep during pre-season cuts, but they want him early so they can get him into the system, and all that goes along with having a new starting QB.

Perhaps I'm making judgments on more complete information then you TJ. Nothing wrong with that, but perhaps now you see where I'm coming from.
 
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so,...perhaps Kaep is hard lining Denver on negotiations in hopes the niners will just cut him later...thus, he gets his $11mil from the niners, as well as a FA contract from whoever he finds to sign with...
 

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so,...perhaps Kaep is hard lining Denver on negotiations in hopes the niners will just cut him later...thus, he gets his $11mil from the niners, as well as a FA contract from whoever he finds to sign with...

Much more likely that they make the trade and cover the difference between his new deal and the $11m owed.
 

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Much more likely that they make the trade and cover the difference between his new deal and the $11m owed.

I agree. Just seems to me Kaep wants to make sure he gets that big wad of cash this season....just in case.....IIRC,...it is all guaranteed now right? He is getting his $11.6mil or whatever it is for the 2016 season at this point?
 
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