Plummer: 12-25, 0 TDs, 3 INTs

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At least in the first week.

We got the production from Blake and Boldin that we were always hoping to have from Plummer and Boston.

Except we don't have these guys signed to $80 mill in deals roughly.

Who looks smart now.

Okay its early in the season and both of our guys will have bad days and plummer and boston will have good days.

But even though the cards lost, I saw enough to get giddy during the game, and even after the loss, I'm giddy going into the next game...which is something I haven't felt from this team in a long, long, time.
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Originally posted by maddogkf
I hate Criqui. He was announcing the Broncs gae.

He was saying that Jake is a good QB & that one should look beyond his old stats because he played for the Cards.

He was ass kissing all day.

I wish Jake well, but not at the expense of ripping the Cards.

You're right. I'd like to watch the replay and see how many times they used the term "beautifully executed" for a 3-yard dink pass. I went to the Bronco board. Man, I feel for them. All of that denial, and they've only had 1 regular season game. Sure they won because they didn't need Jake. Can you imagine if they did?!! Scary.
 

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OMG - Woody Paige is a woody

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Sloppy, but perfect in my book
By Woody Paige, Denver Post Sports Columnist


CINCINNATI - Getting ever so nearer to that elusive, exacting, enviable 19-0 record, the Broncos flogged the Cincinnati Bengals on the First Sunday.

This is all that matters: Broncos 30, Bengals 10.

Just prevail, honey child.

You want style points, bring in a synchronized swimmer. You want rampant beauty, sign Halle Berry. You want flash and tempest, watch Britney Spears kiss Madonna. You want precision, hire a diamond cutter or the Ohio State marching band.

You want a winner, start Jake Plummer. He is undefeated as the Broncos' quarterback.

There still may be the odd doubting Thomas, skeptical Dave, unconvinced Bernie or cynical Kiz, but the vast majority of us common folk understand what the game is about - the bottom line, the end result, the final score.

Even God was occasionally flawed in what He did. Consider the giraffe, broccoli and the city of Oakland.

Before anyone offers a pessimistic assessment of Plummer's performance, it is well to be aware that in his opening game as the Broncos' No. 1 quarterback, Plummer improved on the QB rating of his predecessor's last appearance by almost 50 percent.

Ahem.

The Other Guy's final start was against the Raiders in Game 15 of the 2002 season. He was unceremoniously removed after compiling a rating of 14.7. Plummer finished with a 21.7 rating Sunday.

Although such statistics weren't readily available, Sunday's game may have been the only one in NFL history in which a team's point total (30) in victory was higher than the quarterback's rating.

But, said Plummer, "I promise I will get better," although he did not cross his heart and hope to die. He will get better, though. He cannot get worse. (And if he does not get better, Broncos fanatics will make him wish he would die.)

"Well, we got the win," continued Plummer, who agreed with my belief that "That's all that really matters. ... We got 30 points, and we beat them by 20, and we could have played better. So that's encouraging ... I've never won a game (in the NFL) by 20 points."

There were few discouraging words from coach Mike Shanahan about Plummer's debut. Shanahan may have been fudging.

"I thought in the first half he played extremely well. ... But you could see that he was as inconsistent as he has been in (exhibition) games. That is going to happen, because he demands so much from himself ... I like the way he competes. He enjoys being out there. You could see even if he makes a mistake, he is ready to go."

Shanahan didn't seem so enthusiastic on the sideline after Plummer threw the second of three interceptions - on a deep go route toward Ashley Lelie at the Cincinnati 3. The coach chewed on the quarterback, then spit him away.

Shanahan "knows the offense better than anyone alive, and he was telling (or yelling at) me that I stayed on Ashley too long and didn't see the lurker (cornerback Tory James)," Plummer said. "I should have pulled off Ashley and looked for my up receivers."

Nevertheless, Plummer was trying to make something happen down the field.

Later, after the third interception, Shanahan stood away from the team with Plummer and calmly discussed the quarterback's mistake.

"If there was any play I could have back, it would have been that throw to Shannon (Sharpe)," Plummer said. "I left it behind him."

To be sure, Plummer played awfully on an individual basis, but football is not a solo activity, such as golf, archery, ice fishing, column writing and bomb defusing.

But he handed off well (no fumbled exchanges) to Clinton Portis, who had 120 yards rushing and two touchdowns. He passed well to Portis, who had five receptions for 39 yards. The Broncos' defense played well with two interceptions, one for a touchdown, and two fumble recoveries and an unyielding grip on the legendary Corey Dillon (14 carries for 34 yards). And the special teams played exceptionally well.

Would you rather have Cincinnati starter Jon Kitna? I didn't think so.

How about Jeff Blake? The heat-stroked denizens of Phoenix may have been laughing early Sunday until the Arizona Cardinals were blown out by the vile Detroit Lions.

Naturally, I am biased. I am Jake's Elwood in the Orange-and-Blues brothers.

Plummer did have numbers that were more horrifying than "666" - 12-of-25 for 115 yards, the three interceptions and zero touchdowns. But if he can look so Quasimodo and the Broncos score 30 points, imagine what it will be like when he looks so Affleck, which he will.

"We've got to go back to work and try to improve on things," Plummer said.

Such as his accuracy. Plummer was off badly on half a dozen passes and hung onto the ball too long twice when Sharpe was free. But Plummer is not the league's most proficient pocket passer, and the Broncos' coaches did not put him outside often enough - because of the Bengals' defensive scheme. If teams are going to nickel- and-dime with their secondary, Portis will run for 200.

When the matter was unresolved in the first half, the Broncos had two touchdowns and two field goals in six possessions. The other two concluded prematurely on a punt after a poor Plummer pass and a tipped pass that was intercepted.

Plummer and the rest of the Broncos' offense looked like Ohio River rats in the second half.

But the Bengals, wearing black pants for the first time ever, looked like Halloween Kandy Korn. And they're a bunch of candy lasses.


"The Denver Broncos outplayed us," said Cincinnati coach Marvin Lewis, who almost made it to halftime before a fan yelled out "Where's your defense, Lewis, you bum?" and watched as the others at Paul Brown Stadium streamed out in the second half.

Lewis then uttered a quote Bartlett and Berra would love: "The history of this team is history."

The Broncos' history is ahead of them this season - ? - but I admit that Plummer must improve dramatically by Game 2. A rating of 50.7 and 40 points will suffice in San Diego on Sunday.

Jake may have been imperfect on Sunday, but he's perfect with the Broncos. They can't finish 19-0 without starting 1-0.
 

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I agree Cheese, your left-nut is not too big a price to pay!

I agree also Cheesy. Perhaps we can talk the Broncs into making the trade? Can some one make the phone call?:D
 

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Originally posted by Stronso
woody paige
Sloppy, but perfect in my book
By Woody Paige, Denver Post Sports Columnist


CINCINNATI - Getting ever so nearer to that elusive, exacting, enviable 19-0 record, the Broncos flogged the Cincinnati Bengals on the First Sunday.

This is all that matters: Broncos 30, Bengals 10.

Just prevail, honey child.

You want style points, bring in a synchronized swimmer. You want rampant beauty, sign Halle Berry. You want flash and tempest, watch Britney Spears kiss Madonna. You want precision, hire a diamond cutter or the Ohio State marching band.

You want a winner, start Jake Plummer. He is undefeated as the Broncos' quarterback.

There still may be the odd doubting Thomas, skeptical Dave, unconvinced Bernie or cynical Kiz, but the vast majority of us common folk understand what the game is about - the bottom line, the end result, the final score.

Even God was occasionally flawed in what He did. Consider the giraffe, broccoli and the city of Oakland.

Before anyone offers a pessimistic assessment of Plummer's performance, it is well to be aware that in his opening game as the Broncos' No. 1 quarterback, Plummer improved on the QB rating of his predecessor's last appearance by almost 50 percent.

Ahem.

The Other Guy's final start was against the Raiders in Game 15 of the 2002 season. He was unceremoniously removed after compiling a rating of 14.7. Plummer finished with a 21.7 rating Sunday.

Although such statistics weren't readily available, Sunday's game may have been the only one in NFL history in which a team's point total (30) in victory was higher than the quarterback's rating.

But, said Plummer, "I promise I will get better," although he did not cross his heart and hope to die. He will get better, though. He cannot get worse. (And if he does not get better, Broncos fanatics will make him wish he would die.)

"Well, we got the win," continued Plummer, who agreed with my belief that "That's all that really matters. ... We got 30 points, and we beat them by 20, and we could have played better. So that's encouraging ... I've never won a game (in the NFL) by 20 points."

There were few discouraging words from coach Mike Shanahan about Plummer's debut. Shanahan may have been fudging.

"I thought in the first half he played extremely well. ... But you could see that he was as inconsistent as he has been in (exhibition) games. That is going to happen, because he demands so much from himself ... I like the way he competes. He enjoys being out there. You could see even if he makes a mistake, he is ready to go."

Shanahan didn't seem so enthusiastic on the sideline after Plummer threw the second of three interceptions - on a deep go route toward Ashley Lelie at the Cincinnati 3. The coach chewed on the quarterback, then spit him away.

Shanahan "knows the offense better than anyone alive, and he was telling (or yelling at) me that I stayed on Ashley too long and didn't see the lurker (cornerback Tory James)," Plummer said. "I should have pulled off Ashley and looked for my up receivers."

Nevertheless, Plummer was trying to make something happen down the field.

Later, after the third interception, Shanahan stood away from the team with Plummer and calmly discussed the quarterback's mistake.

"If there was any play I could have back, it would have been that throw to Shannon (Sharpe)," Plummer said. "I left it behind him."

To be sure, Plummer played awfully on an individual basis, but football is not a solo activity, such as golf, archery, ice fishing, column writing and bomb defusing.

But he handed off well (no fumbled exchanges) to Clinton Portis, who had 120 yards rushing and two touchdowns. He passed well to Portis, who had five receptions for 39 yards. The Broncos' defense played well with two interceptions, one for a touchdown, and two fumble recoveries and an unyielding grip on the legendary Corey Dillon (14 carries for 34 yards). And the special teams played exceptionally well.

Would you rather have Cincinnati starter Jon Kitna? I didn't think so.

How about Jeff Blake? The heat-stroked denizens of Phoenix may have been laughing early Sunday until the Arizona Cardinals were blown out by the vile Detroit Lions.

Naturally, I am biased. I am Jake's Elwood in the Orange-and-Blues brothers.

Plummer did have numbers that were more horrifying than "666" - 12-of-25 for 115 yards, the three interceptions and zero touchdowns. But if he can look so Quasimodo and the Broncos score 30 points, imagine what it will be like when he looks so Affleck, which he will.

"We've got to go back to work and try to improve on things," Plummer said.

Such as his accuracy. Plummer was off badly on half a dozen passes and hung onto the ball too long twice when Sharpe was free. But Plummer is not the league's most proficient pocket passer, and the Broncos' coaches did not put him outside often enough - because of the Bengals' defensive scheme. If teams are going to nickel- and-dime with their secondary, Portis will run for 200.

When the matter was unresolved in the first half, the Broncos had two touchdowns and two field goals in six possessions. The other two concluded prematurely on a punt after a poor Plummer pass and a tipped pass that was intercepted.

Plummer and the rest of the Broncos' offense looked like Ohio River rats in the second half.

But the Bengals, wearing black pants for the first time ever, looked like Halloween Kandy Korn. And they're a bunch of candy lasses.


"The Denver Broncos outplayed us," said Cincinnati coach Marvin Lewis, who almost made it to halftime before a fan yelled out "Where's your defense, Lewis, you bum?" and watched as the others at Paul Brown Stadium streamed out in the second half.

Lewis then uttered a quote Bartlett and Berra would love: "The history of this team is history."

The Broncos' history is ahead of them this season - ? - but I admit that Plummer must improve dramatically by Game 2. A rating of 50.7 and 40 points will suffice in San Diego on Sunday.

Jake may have been imperfect on Sunday, but he's perfect with the Broncos. They can't finish 19-0 without starting 1-0.

And I thought I was an optimist. This guy makes me sound like Ochie and Cheesy combined.:D
 

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Wow...Woody Paige you are a HOMER.

Wow I cannot believe anyone can compare Walgreens Pictures to Van Gogh...

Not that blake is really van gogh but plummer sure looked the walgreens part.

I can't believe he even TRIED to say Plummer had a better game than blake or something to that effect that the team did.

Uh sorry woody, but if blake played in that game it would have been 60-3 broncos with the numbers he put up..

Meanwhile the score with those numbers plummer had if he had that here would have been lions 42-cards 3.

Say your prayers woody, because the talent of the broncos won't be able to cover his mistakes for every one of the next 15 games.

But then again woody at the end of the year will be bashing him.....at least you can take this to the bank..when you read a woody paige article, you feeling like talking to someone about it.

Which is what good writers do consistently, except woody is usually wrong. But he is Denvers editorial version of Buddy Ryan.
 

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For the love of GOD, step away from the past and look at the problems here. We have a long way to go and giggling about plummer does about as much good as giggling about Testeverdes terrible game on thursday
 
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From the Rocky Mountain News....

"He looked like a rookie out there. You could see the expectation level was very high. He was like a young guy starting his first game," Shanahan said.
Didn't he look like that every year last 6 years when he was here? :p
 

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For the love of GOD, step away from the past and look at the problems here. We have a long way to go and giggling about plummer does about as much good as giggling about Testeverdes terrible game on thursday
I believe you said you are a new Card fan, that you didn't take them as your team till very recently, is that about right? That being the case you have not had to endure the pain that has been inflicted on us for the last 5 years by Plummer. He single handedly ruined my NFL seasons. The hope that sprung every year was systematically crushed with each interception, bobbled snap, missed receiver and ducklike pass.

I like giggling at his misfortune. It certainly doesn't keep me from recognizing our current issues and some of the solutions many of us have to solve them all. If you don't like the Plummer bashing, stick to Woody's articles.

Hey, Sean Salisbury jumped off the bandwagon after one game. For those of us that cheered for him for several seasons, be happy we have found a path toward emotional stability without the tens of thousands in theropy it could be costing us. We giggle.
 

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Originally posted by Lars the Red
He single handedly ruined my NFL seasons. ...

I like giggling at his misfortune.

1) Your frustrations are misplaced. It's not all Plummer's fault.

2) Giggling at others' misfortune? Pretty sad all things considered.

Going back and looking at the pbp and stats, to me it didn't seem like Plummer played the same kind of game he played in Arizona. Plummer didn't make his mistakes until late in the game, he never buried his defense deep in their own territory, and he was pretty effective in the first few drives to get them the lead. Not extraordinary, but acceptable.

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I see your points of him not blowing it early, but rather it was late.

But the first half portis was running like the nile river. No qb had to do almost anything with those 2 td runs and running game, and plummer didn't do anything. He ran an acceptable offense only 1/2 the time with some top flight talent against the bengals who might be improved under lewis.

If your running game is keeping d's that off balance it isn't hard to get first downs when you only have to throw 1 time for 2 or 3 yards to get a first a couple of times a drive.

He will have that going for him more than he had in past years here, but not series in and series out. The series he doesn't, watch out.

Just like when he was here. A thought it was interesting when he criticized lelie for not coming back to his wounded duck in the endzone...hello jake...even if it was somewhat catchable, they can't do that 250 times a season.

I thought it was classic jake. He could get better, and with his surroundings he should. But will he get that much better...stay tuned...same Bat channel, same batty mistakes.
 

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Originally posted by sundevilfan99
1) Your frustrations are misplaced. It's not all Plummer's fault.
Not all, but enough that he will always get the brunt of my giggling.

2) Giggling at others' misfortune? Pretty sad all things considered.
Actually, it's a pretty tame response. I didn't buy a voodoo doll and stab it with pins. I didn't start a web site called Jakesuks.com. I didn't send him hate mail. All I did was laugh at his continued lameness that he put on the field almost every game he's played in the last 5 years. Pretty normal all things considered.

Going back and looking at the pbp and stats, to me it didn't seem like Plummer played the same kind of game he played in Arizona. Plummer didn't make his mistakes until late in the game, he never buried his defense deep in their own territory, and he was pretty effective in the first few drives to get them the lead. Not extraordinary, but acceptable.
He had parts of the game that were acceptable. His competition made the unacceptable parts less meaningful. He dodged a bullet this time. I expect to see him riddled with them (figuratively) by mid season.
 

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why I want Jake (et al) to fail

Jake may be a nice guy. Frank Sanders by all accoubts is a great guy. Martay may be a nice guy. Thomas Jones and David Boston, well......they have big arms.

Regardless, I won't be disappointed if they all havelousy seasons. No, it won't change our record if we go 3-13. No it won't make me feel better to laugh at their failings.

But, it could help the team. If they do well, the Cards look bad. If they do poorly, then the Cards don't look quite as dumb. That can only be a good thing for perception of the team.

I mean, I'm not stupid. I know the way that we ultimately gain respect and admiration is simply by winning games. But, it can't hurt to at least have people thinking we were wise in letting these guys go. It may not be much in the overall scheme of things. But, it would be better than hearing a bunch of stories this postseason about how dumb the Cards were to let Boston, Pkummer, Jones, or whoever go if their teams make the playoffs and they contribute significantly to their success.

We've got to do it on the field, but I can't see what it hurts if at the end of the season people are saying that it was a mistake to pick up Jake, etc. and that the Cards were smart to let them go. It's not like anyone is wishing injury on these guys.
 
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