POLL: Sean Payton in 2023 (Officially Going to Denver)

[DVontel]

Michael says we’re not as broken as a lot of people think.

It doesn’t take much to be a relevant NFL team in December. We’re not that much more talent-deficient today than the Commies.

I don’t think there’s a single position group we’re better than the Commies at outside of QB(who won’t even play the majority of the season) & Safety.

I think they’re being held back by obvious QB play & a dinosaur at HC.

 

[BirdGangThing]

I don't think this was a Mikey Bidwill problem, or a Monti problem, I think it was a timing problem

If we had a healthy Kyler Murray, a healthy Zach Ertz, a D-Hop that wanted to stay and a O-line that wasn't trash dot com we might've had a chance with Payton but we'll never know

 

[PDXChris]

Maybe Payton thinks less of Kyler than BritCard does....

Gotta remember that Payton didn't have nearly the control most think. Lumis controlled the end here.

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

This roster is so far away from contending that I’m not mad/sad at all about not getting Payton.


I feel like you guys that are mad just don’t get how bad this roster is constructed. This would’ve been a move to make with our 2014/2015 rosters, or at least would have made sense.

We’re not a team that was only missing a HC to compete. We’re a team that’s missing A LOT of talent before actually competing.

You're not wrong about the roster, no one is arguing that, at least I'm not. What they're saying & i agree with is the fact Payton could get the roster back in shape faster than anyone else. Nothing is guatanteed with any coach but I'd rather have one that has won a SB before any of the other candidates.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

That's 1/5 of our cap space in 2024, during a rebuild, that's a lot of freakin cap space

That is what QBs are unless they are on rookie deals. It's a complete bargain after 2024

 

[Vacard]

Internet servers in Tempe would have had a meltdown if Bidwill would have been dumb enough to give up #3.

I would rather have the sure thing then a “could-be”.

 

[kerouac9]

I don’t think there’s a single position group we’re better than the Commies at outside of QB(who won’t even play the majority of the season) & Safety.

I think they’re being held back by obvious QB play & a dinosaur at HC.

Hop, Hollywood, Rondale and Dortch?

Logan Thomas is better than McBride?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

This is the least interested I’ve ever been in a Cardinals HC search.

Harbaugh is the only guy that would’ve excited me. Guess the “net” doesn’t cast north of the Ohio border.

When is the last time the Cards hired a guy who wouldn’t have taken any job offered? Always a first timer or a desperate Denny Green.

I said a few years ago, and it’s 100% true, MB is a pain in the butt to work for. The top coaches know it. Hell, he had a top coach in Arians who got sick of him and quit. It’s all Mikey.

 

[Syracusecards]

This roster is so far away from contending that I’m not mad/sad at all about not getting Payton.


I feel like you guys that are mad just don’t get how bad this roster is constructed. This would’ve been a move to make with our 2014/2015 rosters, or at least would have made sense.

We’re not a team that was only missing a HC to compete. We’re a team that’s missing A LOT of talent before actually competing.

I somewhat agree but we also have talented players that have not been coached well and held accountable. I think SP could have changed the culture enough to get better play or get rid of them.

 

[JeffGollin]

Yep. There are no exciting options. Flores is meh and he's at the top of the crap pile that's left.

I don’t know if I buy this. Are Payton and the other hires the only humans on the planet capable of changing a team’s culture to a winning one?

There are other guys out there who can do the job. It’s up to the FO to find one or more of them and make the right decisions.

Although the Cardinal FO bit the Big Burrito yet again and aren’t a lock to produce in the near future, we still have a fighting chance. Hang in there.

 

[AZCB34]

I don't think this was a Mikey Bidwill problem, or a Monti problem, I think it was a timing problem

If we had a healthy Kyler Murray, a healthy Zach Ertz, a D-Hop that wanted to stay and a O-line that wasn't trash dot com we might've had a chance with Payton but we'll never know

Very interesting perspective. I think you might be into something

 

[DVontel]

Hop, Hollywood, Rondale and Dortch?

Logan Thomas is better than McBride?

C’mon K9, you know you don’t think highly of neither Rondale or Hollywood, lol.

I would absolutely take Terry/Dotson/Samuel/Dyami over the 4 you named which includes 2 you’re not even high on if at all.


I think you know the answer to the 2nd one.

 

[Dback Jon]

Maybe Payton thinks less of Kyler than BritCard does....

Or maybe he spent a few days reading the All-22 threads from him ;0

 

[DVontel]

I somewhat agree but we also have talented players that have not been coached well and held accountable. I think SP could have changed the culture enough to get better play or get rid of them.

This is where we disagree.

 

[BirdGangThing]

That is what QBs are unless they are on rookie deals. It's a complete bargain after 2024

I'll agree it's a complete bargain after 2024 if he is still out starting QB in 2024

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Please Michael, no Vance Blowseph please! Please! Lord help us

100% this

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Left with table scraps

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[PDXChris]

100% this

Don't worry, it'll be Kafka with Vance as the DC.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Don't worry, it'll be Kafka with Vance as the DC.

That would be this:

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[MaoTosiFanClub]

NFL coaches don’t like weekly fim sessions with clueless owners. It’s one thing dealing with a meddling owner of a historical franchise like the Cowboys, another with the perennially hapless Cardinals.

 

[Evil Ash]

Don't worry, it'll be Kafka with Vance as the DC.

I just threw up in my mouth a little bit

 

[Dback Jon]

I just threw up in my mouth a little bit

If that happens, this will be the board...

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[Cbus cardsfan]

NFL coaches don’t like weekly fim sessions with clueless owners. It’s one thing dealing with a meddling owner of a historical franchise like the Cowboys, another with the perennially hapless Cardinals.

Exactly. And it’s not like the Cowboys have had a great coaching history the last 20 years or so.

No top guy is coming in unless grossly over compensated.

 

[Buckybird]

Of course Denver panicked because they thought Payton was coming here. So they did what a championship franchise do and went all in. Bidwill didn’t want to give up that number 3. He wasn’t all-in.

I agree with everything but that last statement, but that’s my opinion. Michael Bidwill would’ve been lambasted if he would’ve traded that #3 pick! Lambasted!!! By the media, football experts, fans & this board. No ifs, ands or buts about it.

Denver was definitely a better situation to win now, given the realities of what the Cards team is today. But it does feel from a fan perspective like Manning, Montana & Lucy and Charlie Brown all over.

Great move by the Donkeys
Great move by Payton
Great move by the Aints
And the only move Michael was backed into a corner to go with

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

I agree with everything but that last statement, but that’s my opinion. Michael Bidwill would’ve been lambasted if he would’ve traded that #3 pick! Lambasted!!! By the media, football experts, fans & this board. No ifs, ands or buts about it.

Denver was definitely a better situation to win now, given the realities of what the Cards team is today. But it does feel from a fan perspective like Manning, Montana & Lucy and Charlie Brown all over.

Great move by the Donkeys
Great move by Payton
Great move by the Aints
And the only move Michael was backed into a corner to go with

MB can’t close. End of story.