Pre-Season Week 4 (SD 12 AZ 9): Thoughts and Roster

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Very difficult game to watch---vanilla schemes and lackluster performances abound.

The most disturbing trend that continues to rear its ugly head are the blown pass protection assignments---with the starters in PS Games 2 & 3---and with the second teamers in Games 3 & 4.

Classic case in point last week when Jared Veldheer blocked down and TE Carlson to Veldheer's side released, allowing the Bengals' DE a free shot into backfield. Either Veldheer missed his assignment or Carlson did. And these types of mis-commincations or missed assignments are happening with alarming frequency.

The most encouraging trend on defense is the improvement in pass coverage. The players are picking up their assignments and are playing tighter coverage and are in better positions to make plays.

The players in Game 4 who made the strongest claims for making the roster (in my opinion):

WR Walt Powell. We can see why the Cardiinals drafted him---he has nifty feet and better than average vision/awareness/escapability.

DT/DE Tommie Kelly. Gets good push on his pass rush and looks athletic.

DT/DE Bruce Gaston. This guy was a high-effort physical presence in the game, and has been in practice and throughout the pre-season.

ILB Glenn Carson. Gotta hand it to Rubgy who has been touting Carson's chances because he was defensive MVP last night with 10 tackles and a handful of good plays in pass coverage---plus, he made a couple of nice plays on STs.

S Curtis Taylor. He's had his best pre-season and had another good game last night before breaking his arm. Not sure whether he would have made the roster---but he sure was making a case.

K Chandler Catanzaro. His performance throughout the pre-season has been impressive and he has now eliminated the doubt as to whether the Cardinals would seek a waiver wire addition.

Players whose roster chances are iffy:

RB Stepfan Taylor. Not that he's playing poorly---it's just that the team lacks explosion and quickness behind lead RB Andre Ellington. It seems Robert Hughes has locked up the #3 RB/FB/ST role---the role that Taylor filled fairly well last year.

Ts Nate Potter (injured shoulder) and Bradley Sowell---both were subpar in last night's game, with Sowell looking the poorest in pass protection. Both are eligible for the PS, so if Steve Keim can find a swing tackle off waivers, it would seem to be a no brainer at this point.

WR Brittan Golden---before last night, Golden may have had some slight trade value---but, despite being impressive in previous games, he did very little to separate himself versus the Chargers. His tape in this game is not good.

DT Isaac Sopoaga---as they say you can't make the club from the tub.

DT/NT Christian Tupou---he's played hard and has made some very good plays---but the numbers don't work in his favor.

DE Ed Stinson---his tape last night and throughout the pre-season isn't going to land him a waiver claim if he gets waived. He's a thud defender who does not make plays on the ball or create any disruption or pressure on the QB.

CB Teddy Williams---has done very little this pre-season, even on STs, which is supposed to be his forte. Looks the part---has the speed and size you like---but doesn't play with any real sense of command.

Bubble Players who may or may not make the roster:

G Earl Watford. With Cooper struggling the team may need to pick up a veteran backup G. Watford is making progress---he's still a year or two away from making a legit run for the starting lineup. Chances are good he would pass through waivers and be quickly added to the PS, if need be.

TE Darren Fells. He may still need some more time to develop on the PS---if Steve Keim can add a TE he likes off waivers. Chances are he will stick---and the Cardinals are 20th in the waiver claim pecking order, which means they may not be able to pick up most of the players they put in a claim in for.

ILB Desmond Bishop. He's the speediest of the ILBers, but he has struggled the past two weeks as he tries to work his way back into football shape. He may be worth being patient with---but---the way Carson played last night---Bishop might not have done enough.

OLB Sam Acho. With James Harrison potentially on the verge of signing with the team---because Harrison plays the run well---he could be the base ROLB in the 34, which would allow John Abraham to focus on being the nickel RDE. Which OLB would be the odd man out? It would seem Alex Okafor would get the nod over Sam Acho. Acho hasn't shown up on tape the way Okafor has.

OLB Marcus Benard. He made some big hits on STs last night---and was very active in the game, before and after getting nicked up. But---he hasn't been the pass rushing presence this pre-season that one would have hoped for.

OLB Adrian Tracy. He's the speediest of the OLBers---but lacks strength and the the slipperiness to maneuver around blocks. He is PS eligible---so maybe that's where he winds up for now.

CB Bryan McCann. He's been inconsistent and was again last night. He has ST value and he is playing tough physically---man he punished one WR last night after a catch, but should have been in a better position to make a play on the ball. Chances are he's done enough to make the roster---but, if Keim finds a CB he likes off waivers, then McCann might be the odd man out.

Players who seem like PS givens:

G Philip Blake
TE Andre Hardy
LB Jonathan Brown
CB Eddie Whitley
(if arm is broken, he goes to IR---he really had a nice game last night---so did Jimmy Legree who made his case for the PS).

Roster Prediction (players who could be waived for waiver claims or trade additions are in italics):

QB (3): Palmer; Stanton; Thomas

RB (4): Ellington; Dwyer; Hughes; Taylor

TE (4): Carlson; Houlser; Niklas; Fells (Trade chip perhaps, Housler? He's had a very quiet camp---with Carlson it's more by design, but with Housler? He's been quiet for 4 years.)

WR (6): Fitzgerald; Floyd; Jaron Brown; John Brown; Ginn Jr.; Powell

OL (8): Veldheer; Larsen; Sendlein; Fanaika; Massie; Cooper; Watford; Sowell (Potter to IR?)

NT (2) Williams; Ta'amu

DE (5): Campbell; Rucker; Kelly; Martin; Gaston

ILB (4): Minter; Foote; Demens; Bishop/Carson

OLB (5): Shaughnessy; Abraham; Benard; Okafor; Acho/Harrison?

CB (5): Peterson; Cromartie; Powers; Bethel; McCann

S (4): Mathieu; Bucannon; Johnson; Jefferson

ST (3): Catanzaro; Leach; Zastudil


It will be interesting to see if Steve Keim makes a trade or two. Picking #20 in waiver claims is going to make it more difficult than last year to add the players they put in a claim for....which could cause Keim to be more pro-active.
 
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Ts Nate Potter (injured shoulder) and Bradley Sowell---both were subpar in last night's game, with Sowell looking the poorest in pass protection. Both are eligible for the PS, so if Steve Keim can find a swing tackle off waivers, it would seem to be a no brainer at this point.

Intersting new rule and will be nice to have on the PS if no one else picks them up.

Just in case anyone had not seen this part of it.

Second, each club will be permitted to sign up to two practice squad players who have earned up to two accrued seasons of free agency credit. An accrued season means a player was on full pay status for more than eight regular season games on the 53-man roster or on IR. Previously, a player who had earned one or more accrued seasons would not be eligible for a practice squad unless the player spent fewer than nine games on a club’s 46-player active list in each of his accrued seasons

This is an important change, as it covers basically the entire rookie classes of 2012 and 2013, both drafted and undrafted players, regardless of how many NFL games they played. The Cowboys are not going to attempt to smuggle their top draft picks onto the practice squad, but it could be an opportunity for fringe players with two accrued seasons like LaRon Byrd, Matt Johnson, or an as yet unsigned two-year veteran.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/2014-n...r-023002863.html;_ylt=AwrSyCSqawBUXSkAvzP_wgt.
 

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Mitch, think that Carson and Gaston will end up on the PS. And I agree with you about Watford. It doesn't sound like the Staff is satisfied with either he or Cooper, but since Cooper is a first round pick, he'll get at least another year to get better physically, with the hope that his play will improve as well. Right now we have zero depth at guard, so WW claims are expected for OG and OT, though Starks might be brought back after Week One. IMO, Fells is safe, as are the other TE's. On the computer (play by play), late in the game it showed that McCann was injured. Is that so? We could use some speed at RB, see the WW, as I'm SURE there are guys out there. Jonathan Brown hasn't shown much in games (no idea about practice), so he's not on my PS. But Golden is, along with Palmer, the OT(Just a feeling), but we will have a couple of OL on it, imo.
 

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Curtis Taylor when he was walking off at the end of the game looked like he had broken his arm. So he may end up being on the IR or cut, how ever that works with him.

After last nights game, if Carson doesn't make this team, he will not clear waivers to make it to the PS. He was a beast out there last night and he stood out to much to be hidden.
 

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Yeah Glenn Carson!

Make that football team!

Big reason I tout this guy is because he is from Manahawkin, NJ.

I will be driving through there (just like you did a couple weeks back Mitch) to get to LBI and have a day at the beach.

Hometown hero.

Hope he makes it.
 

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I agree I'm worried on Taylor. When he got the start last night I though great even though he wasn't listed as the starter(Dwyer was). But he barely got the ball in the part I saw on Redzone Channel. I don't get the fascination with Hughes he doesn't seem to actually do anything particularly well, but it sure seems like Arians prefers him to Taylor so Taylor could be cut.

The good thing last night was Niklas looked like a TE on the first drive, 2 nice catch and runs both of them he showed an awareness of where the defense was. Against backups obviously but he looked much better last night than the week before hopefully that's a good sign. Could be he is one of those guys who needs game reps to get comfortable being in the NFL. Still not the guy I would have picked but he didn't look completely lost last night so that's good.
 
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Mitch, think that Carson and Gaston will end up on the PS. And I agree with you about Watford. It doesn't sound like the Staff is satisfied with either he or Cooper, but since Cooper is a first round pick, he'll get at least another year to get better physically, with the hope that his play will improve as well. Right now we have zero depth at guard, so WW claims are expected for OG and OT, though Starks might be brought back after Week One. IMO, Fells is safe, as are the other TE's. On the computer (play by play), late in the game it showed that McCann was injured. Is that so? We could use some speed at RB, see the WW, as I'm SURE there are guys out there. Jonathan Brown hasn't shown much in games (no idea about practice), so he's not on my PS. But Golden is, along with Palmer, the OT(Just a feeling), but we will have a couple of OL on it, imo.

The way I can see it, Garth, it is that not only do Carson and Gaston have a good shot at making the roster---they have a good shot of being active on game days---both bring immediate value, Carson on STs and Gaston fills Rucker's old role of rotating in for Campbell.
 
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Curtis Taylor when he was walking off at the end of the game looked like he had broken his arm. So he may end up being on the IR or cut, how ever that works with him.

After last nights game, if Carson doesn't make this team, he will not clear waivers to make it to the PS. He was a beast out there last night and he stood out to much to be hidden.

Shaggy---too bad about Curtis Taylor---the coaches really like him and he was on the verge of making the roster, especially with Honey Badger remaining out of game action for a while longer.

And MJ just said what you did about Carson---he thinks Carson would be claimed.
 
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Yeah Glenn Carson!

Make that football team!

Big reason I tout this guy is because he is from Manahawkin, NJ.

I will be driving through there (just like you did a couple weeks back Mitch) to get to LBI and have a day at the beach.

Hometown hero.

Hope he makes it.

God I love Manahawkin! Even though I am only there one week a year---I keep my Shop Rite card in my wallet year round!

Great call on Carson---I really believe he made the club last night.
 
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I agree I'm worried on Taylor. When he got the start last night I though great even though he wasn't listed as the starter(Dwyer was). But he barely got the ball in the part I saw on Redzone Channel. I don't get the fascination with Hughes he doesn't seem to actually do anything particularly well, but it sure seems like Arians prefers him to Taylor so Taylor could be cut.

The good thing last night was Niklas looked like a TE on the first drive, 2 nice catch and runs both of them he showed an awareness of where the defense was. Against backups obviously but he looked much better last night than the week before hopefully that's a good sign. Could be he is one of those guys who needs game reps to get comfortable being in the NFL. Still not the guy I would have picked but he didn't look completely lost last night so that's good.

I too don't quite see how Hughes is necessarily an upgrade over Taylor---Taylor really did well as the impromptu FB last year.

These are the interesting GM and HC dilemmas, Russ. Keim drafted Taylor, so he's totally invested in him...while BA worked with Hughes in Indy and has liked him ever since. I am going to guess that they will keep both Taylor and Hughes, so both BA&SK will have their guy still on board. That said, I could see Taylor being inactive like Ryan Williams was for games---which doesn't help the team, whereas another player at a need position might.

Good point re: Niklas. Loved the way he bowled over the first tackler---but his off-sides on 4th and 1 infuriated the HC, didn't it?
 

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Nice write up and good observations overall. One observation you missed was on Logan Thomas. He clearly has a Looooooooooong way to go. Don't know how much his accuracy can improve. It's a big liability going ahead. And I think Acho is a spot starter and 3rd down player who will have a impact there.

My favs:

Glenn Carson - Anyone who plays with that intensity (mashing a helmet into his head for missing an INT is someone you want on your team). Has spark and will be a STP phenom.

Alex Okafor - Has shown that he has some pass rush ability and chances to grow there moving ahead if given the opportunity.

Bruce Gaston - Has good giddyup. We need disruptive linemen.

Walt Powell - You can see he's got good football sense and knows what to do out there. A keeper.

Darren Fells - Nice find by the Cardinals. He really has improved his blocking and is a natural pass catcher and fairly fluid route runner. He makes it.
 

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Yeah Glenn Carson!

Make that football team!

Big reason I tout this guy is because he is from Manahawkin, NJ.

I will be driving through there (just like you did a couple weeks back Mitch) to get to LBI and have a day at the beach.

Hometown hero.

Hope he makes it.

Dude was lights out last night.

It was against backups but at least he left his best game on the field. That's what you want from a kid in the 4th preseason game. Show up on every play and make the coaches seriously think about keeping you.

He was the only bubble player who stood out for me positively from the game last night.
 

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Ts Nate Potter (injured shoulder) and Bradley Sowell---both were subpar in last night's game, with Sowell looking the poorest in pass protection. Both are eligible for the PS, so if Steve Keim can find a swing tackle off waivers, it would seem to be a no brainer at this point.

Both of those guys were aweful last night. I'd be shocked if we keep either of them. My guess is Keim trolls the waiver wire for anyone OT with a pulse.

What blows my mind is how the hell did the Cardinals win 10 games last year with Sowell starting at LT. Arians clearly is some kind of wizard to pull that off!
 
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Nice write up and good observations overall. One observation you missed was on Logan Thomas. He clearly has a Looooooooooong way to go. Don't know how much his accuracy can improve. It's a big liability going ahead. And I think Acho is a spot starter and 3rd down player who will have a impact there.

My favs:

Glenn Carson - Anyone who plays with that intensity (mashing a helmet into his head for missing an INT is someone you want on your team). Has spark and will be a STP phenom.

Alex Okafor - Has shown that he has some pass rush ability and chances to grow there moving ahead if given the opportunity.

Bruce Gaston - Has good giddyup. We need disruptive linemen.

Walt Powell - You can see he's got good football sense and knows what to do out there. A keeper.

Darren Fells - Nice find by the Cardinals. He really has improved his blocking and is a natural pass catcher and fairly fluid route runner. He makes it.

While I agree with your faves, WBB---why has Acho been so invisible on the field this pre-season? he's been a no-show as a pass rusher on a team that is desperately looking for edge pass rushers---why is that?
 
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Both of those guys were aweful last night. I'd be shocked if we keep either of them. My guess is Keim trolls the waiver wire for anyone OT with a pulse.

What blows my mind is how the hell did the Cardinals win 10 games last year with Sowell starting at LT. Arians clearly is some kind of wizard to pull that off!

I thought Potter was better than Sowell---Sowell was a turnstyle last night.
 

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While I agree with your faves, WBB---why has Acho been so invisible on the field this pre-season? he's been a no-show as a pass rusher on a team that is desperately looking for edge pass rushers---why is that?

I disagree. Watching practice Acho looked like one of the better OLB on the team. I thought he looked much improved and is clearly part of the starting rotation.

Okafor looks improved as well but remember that he has only been going up against back ups for the most part. I'll get excited about Okafor when he does something against a starting offense unit.
 

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While I agree with your faves, WBB---why has Acho been so invisible on the field this pre-season? he's been a no-show as a pass rusher on a team that is desperately looking for edge pass rushers---why is that?

I disagree. Watching practice Acho looked like one of the better OLB on the team. I thought he looked much improved and is clearly part of the starting rotation.

Okafor looks improved as well but remember that he has only been going up against back ups for the most part. I'll get excited about Okafor when he does something against a starting offense unit.

Both valid points. I too went to a practice and thought Acho looked pretty fluid out there. I thought he brought a little pressure in an earlier showing but I've been through the wringer lately so I might be mistaken.

Could be there just being a bit cautious with him this pre-season following his recovery. He isn't the starter but judging from the past he's surely capable of being out there at any time. He has a good feel for the game, imo.

Okafor - will be VERY interesting to watch his development this season. He needs to learn from Abraham and put it to good use.
 

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The way I can see it, Garth, it is that not only do Carson and Gaston have a good shot at making the roster---they have a good shot of being active on game days---both bring immediate value, Carson on STs and Gaston fills Rucker's old role of rotating in for Campbell.

I think that Rucker fills Rucker's role of rotating in for Campbell, or Tommy Kelly does. Either way, Gaston is practice-squad eligible.

What blows my mind is how the hell did the Cardinals win 10 games last year with Sowell starting at LT. Arians clearly is some kind of wizard to pull that off!

From watching the All-22 last year, it was clear that the offense was severely hampered by having to cope with Sowell's vast, vast limitations. We had to keep Rashard Mendenhall on the field far more often than we would've liked, because he could protect the quarterback in a way that Ellington just can't. We probably kept Dray on the field more than we would've liked, as well.
 

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I was in attendance for this game.

It was arguably the most boring football game I've ever been to. 7 FGs between the two kickers?

Only real takeaway is that CatMan answered my questions about his ability to make 40+ yard FGs in game day situations. I feel more at ease with him as our kicker. Other than that, a couple of defensive players looked good, like Deone and Gaston.
 

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I was in attendance for this game.

It was arguably the most boring football game I've ever been to. 7 FGs between the two kickers?

Only real takeaway is that CatMan answered my questions about his ability to make 40+ yard FGs in game day situations. I feel more at ease with him as our kicker. Other than that, a couple of defensive players looked good, like Deone and Gaston.

Were you not at that Cards-Cowboys game back in the day that ended like 9-6 at Sun Devil?
 
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I disagree. Watching practice Acho looked like one of the better OLB on the team. I thought he looked much improved and is clearly part of the starting rotation.

Okafor looks improved as well but remember that he has only been going up against back ups for the most part. I'll get excited about Okafor when he does something against a starting offense unit.

2014 Pre-Season---Sam Acho

3 tackles (2 on STs)
0 sacks
 
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I was in attendance for this game.

It was arguably the most boring football game I've ever been to. 7 FGs between the two kickers?

Only real takeaway is that CatMan answered my questions about his ability to make 40+ yard FGs in game day situations. I feel more at ease with him as our kicker. Other than that, a couple of defensive players looked good, like Deone and Gaston.

Trust me, it was boring sitting at home watching it too. the offense was very blah, but the D from some of the players was fun to see.
 

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Both of those guys were aweful last night. I'd be shocked if we keep either of them. My guess is Keim trolls the waiver wire for anyone OT with a pulse.

What blows my mind is how the hell did the Cardinals win 10 games last year with Sowell starting at LT. Arians clearly is some kind of wizard to pull that off!
I'm with you. They were both terrible last night.

Amazing how well they got Sowell to play last year.
 

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