Predicting The 2011 Arizona Cardinals' Roster

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What are your thoughts on
Ryan Kerrigan
Von Miller
Akeem Ayers


i give you my opinion
ryan kerrigan is pure defensive end he doesnt have to burst to play outside linebacker in 3/4
ayers is a talented player but is not a pass rusher..he is more close to karlos dansby with good covarage skill.so i think he will play in the middle(wilb)
von miller is the best option for olb in 3/4 scheme..i think after combine he will be a top 5 pick
 
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We have the benefit of hindsight.

And don't forget, the football world is filled with dumbjocks :p

Levi Brown was one of the worst starting RT's in the league last year BTW, which is actually more of an indictment of his move to LT. After a rough start, Keith was actually playing pretty well before his injury, better than Levi typically did.

Levi Brown was bad early last season, but in the second half he really came on strong and was playing above-average football.

What I have seen of his play. He has great hustle if he isn't being blocked. First sign of contact and he stops working, wont even try to beat a double team. Played liked a pansy the times I saw him play. His one and only year of solid production was just that solid, it wasn't great, 15th in the league in college ball in TFL's and sacks isn't all worldly like the press clippings would lead people to believe. Press clippings that probably came from an agents PR staff, the same agent or partner that gave him the $2500 watches that got the kid in trouble with the NCAA. Combined with the fact that the brain tumor he had only 3-4 years ago can easily come back at any time and you get the next Aaron Maybin or Derrick Harvey. Pass rushers get over valued more so then any other position in the draft and this is just another case of that.

Can anyone name the last player who took a full year off from football and came back strong? I understand the hype that he's getting intellectually, but you can't just miss a season and then come back and be a Top 10 pick.
 

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I don't really want to go through the full roster, but here's the movement I'll expect to see and a brief mock draft:

OUT: WR Steve Breaston, OG Alan Faneca, QB Derek Anderson, OLB Joey Porter, TE Ben Patrick, NT Gabe Watson, ILB Gerald Hayes

RE-SIGNED: OG Deuce Lutui, DL Alan Branch, OC Lyle Sendlein, QB Max Hall,

ACQUISITIONS: QB Alex Smith (SF), WR Brad Smith (NYJ), TE Kevin Boss (NYG), OC Ryan Kalil (CAR), OT Ryan Harris (DEN), NT Ronald Fields (DEN), LB Ben Leber (MIN)

Draft (5 rounds):
1 (11) - Anthony Castonzo, OT, Boston College
2 (43) - Jabaal Sheard, OLB, Pittsburgh
3 (75) - Stephen Schilling, OG, Michigan
4 (107) - Phil Taylor, DL, Baylor
5 (139) - Casey Matthews, LB, Oregon
 

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Ummmmm that we have the worst QB play that I have ever seen? Fitz production has dropped exponentially too.

Did you know that Fitz is averaging only .8 of a yard per game less than he did last season and has only 80 fewer yards receiving with one game still to play?

There is a difference between writing guys off and saying they are nothing special. I'm just not that thrilled with our guys other than Fitzgerald.

Why does a "blocking" fullback need to touch the ball?

To keep defenses guessing. And what good is a "blocking" FB if he is hardly ever on the field?
 

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responding to a lot of the above:

1. QB is a given, but I think the offensive struggles are from a combination of factors that Kurt Warner effectively covered up:

a. The offensive line has to be better. At this point, I would move Levi in to guard where his size, physical nature and straight line movement would be assets. That implies a new LT, and if its Ryan Harris or a draft pick, or both, all the better. Latui needs to be back as well as Bridges. We will see if Keith can put this years experience together with another offseason to challenge him for the RT spot.

B. The team needs a real tight end. With a young QB, nothing is better than having a guy who can both be on the field for run formations, but also get out into the middle of the field to catch a pass.
 
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What are your thoughts on
Ryan Kerrigan
Von Miller
Akeem Ayers

I like Miller the best out of the bunch. Has all the tools you want both physically and smarts. He just seems to play fast, strong and smart. At Texas A&M he plays something called a JOKER in their system. It is reserved for their most athletic and versatile player on the D, which means he has asked to do a lot of things that a 3-4 OLB in the NFL would be asked to do including coverage. Transition should be easier then most DE conversions. But he also plays very erratic or spastic, sometimes runs himself out of plays thus trying to make a lot of arm tackles. That is another thing he also needs to learn to tackle better as well, his open field tackling leaves a lot to be desired.

Kerrigan is a 4-3 guy only IMO, good prospect not our system.

Ayers may be the best of the athlete of them all. Production wont wow you at all but I don't think he has ever settled into an actual position with UCLA. He has played multiple positions in multiple sets - DE, DT, OLB, ILB, and was hindered by a very green front 7, Ayers was the only starter from 2009 to play in the front 7 in 2010. Jack of all trades tag may actually hurt him as he never been able to settle into and refine his technique at any position thus he may be the greenest or rawest of the 3-4 OLB prospects.
 

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I'm not at the draft yet, Cause it doesn't matter, the problems are structural and philosophical. you can get all the players you want and will still suck.

We have no great educator on this coaching staff. maybe Grimm or Spencer at their speciality?

I f Russ Grimm can't get Whiz to run more than 35% who can? The KW excuse is gione and we still play high risk, high reward, high pressure offense. A 5 year old can see we do not have the personell for this philosphy.
 

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I like Miller the best out of the bunch. Has all the tools you want both physically and smarts. He just seems to play fast, strong and smart. At Texas A&M he plays something called a JOKER in their system. It is reserved for their most athletic and versatile player on the D, which means he has asked to do a lot of things that a 3-4 OLB in the NFL would be asked to do including coverage. Transition should be easier then most DE conversions. But he also plays very erratic or spastic, sometimes runs himself out of plays thus trying to make a lot of arm tackles. That is another thing he also needs to learn to tackle better as well, his open field tackling leaves a lot to be desired.

Kerrigan is a 4-3 guy only IMO, good prospect not our system.

Ayers may be the best of the athlete of them all. Production wont wow you at all but I don't think he has ever settled into an actual position with UCLA. He has played multiple positions in multiple sets - DE, DT, OLB, ILB, and was hindered by a very green front 7, Ayers was the only starter from 2009 to play in the front 7 in 2010. Jack of all trades tag may actually hurt him as he never been able to settle into and refine his technique at any position thus he may be the greenest or rawest of the 3-4 OLB prospects.

Miller is pure speed and athelticism, not much more. He is lined up standing up in that wide 9 tech, and all he this is use his speed to make plays when offense allows such type of plays. It's very rare in NFL that offenses let you make plays unblocked from that position. He is not much of traditional passrusher, and neither does he contain any passrush moves that are good enough for NFL right now.

Kerrigan is one of the best (technically) passrushers i have seen in years coming out. He uses his hands so well to get separation, it's amazing. But he also has extremely stiff hips and absolutely no agility. Has great motor, he keeps playing, but sometimes even when he comes past the lineman with a great move, he just doesn't posses any athleticism to dominate the backfield and make more plays. Sometimes it's a problem in college and in NFL it can be even bigger problem.

So Kerrigan and Miller are really two opposites completely. Miller makes the plays with amazing agility and speed but with no passrush moves. Kerrigan is amazing in shedding blocks and create a free path toward the QB on his own, but he is very bad in finishing the plays.

I have to look more at Ayers, but between the two above, Kerrigan is my type of player. I don't like to have players on defense that can't use their hands and technique to shed blocks. Kerrigan has that, in addition a very good motor and IQ.

Personally, i don't think there is any difference wheter you rush from the 3 point stance or 2 point stance. You need to use your passrush moves in either case. Players that can get free with their hand down can also do it standing up.

Only in obvious passing downs, Miller would get a role on this defense similar to the one he was asked in college. That doesn't justify that 1st round pick at all.

Stopping the run has also been a major issue this year and we can't have players that don't know how to contain the plays on the edge, disengaging from blocks, that's what Porter has been struggling with, he is a passrusher but not a balanced DE.

I loved Alualu last year and Suh for their ability to disengage from blockers, pursuit along the LOS and for being technically polished. These are the kind of players that make impact early on, while the young players that are athletic and not polsihed are much more risky and usually don't produce anything early on.

This year, there are two other freaks - Adrian Clayborn and Cameron Jordan. Both are amazing from a technical standpoint and remind alot about Alualu and Suh in their ability to use their hands and feet to get free from blocks which will make them able to make plays at the next level.

Dockett is really the player that inhibts us from playing true 3-4. he can't shed blocks at all, all he does is penetration. He can't read plays.

Now we have two on that line that know how to use their hands and also even more importantly how to take on two blockers and not letting one of them getting to the next level. Campbell and Williams both have that ability.

IMO if we want to play 3-4, we need to add either Clayborn or Jordan and first then we have a line that will allow our LB's to make plays. Right now, DD does not fit in this defense at all.

But we should go 4-3, get Kerrigan in round 2 or Quinn in round 1, both are amazing passrushers and have following alignment:

LE (Campbell) - NT (Dan) - UT (DD) - RE (Kerrigan/Quinn)

Kerrigan reminds me of either Aaron Kampmann or Jared Allen. While Quinn reminds me Trent Cole.

Campbell would be unblockable from that strong side spot, always get single coverage. While DD could penetrate all he wants, without hurting the defense behind him.

Than DW would be a great WOLB, he can use his athleticsm to cover more ground that he would be asked to do and all we need to do is upgrade the other two LB positions through draft and FA.

Secondary needs to play more man to man, it's obvious. We went to that early in Dallas game and it resulted in two pick six plays.

That allows AW to play zone arround the LOS and that's what he can do best. He is the eight man against the run and the 5th passrusher.

We also need to upgrade the nickel corner position.

So

1) Kerrigan/Quinn

2) Either MLB/SOLB in draft

3) Nickel corner

Even if we plan go 4-3, guys like Clayborn and Jordan are still a fit, these players are so good because they are unblockable and technically polished, so they fit on any team in NFL. Just like Alualu and Suh would do.
 

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Did you know that Fitz is averaging only .8 of a yard per game less than he did last season and has only 80 fewer yards receiving with one game still to play?

There is a difference between writing guys off and saying they are nothing special. I'm just not that thrilled with our guys other than Fitzgerald.



To keep defenses guessing. And what good is a "blocking" FB if he is hardly ever on the field?

He also has 8 fewer TDs and 18 fewer receptions. Your manipulating stats and only using the ones convenient to your argument. Aside from the season he missed 3 games, this is Fitz worst statistical season since his rookie year. Manipulate all you want, but the QB play is the common denominator.

Nothing special? Do you expect to have 3 Fitzgerald's on the team? You do need other serviceable receivers on the team. Pro-Bowl receivers aren't just sitting by the phone waiting for the Cardinals to call and offer them a job.

Also, you can't be ignorant to the fact that the offense has changed significantly going from a brilliant veteran hall-of-fame QB, to the three guys we have run out there this season. You honestly think Hightower just forgot how to run routes and catch the ball in his third season?
 
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He also has 8 fewer TDs and 18 fewer receptions. Your manipulating stats and only using the ones convenient to your argument. Aside from the season he missed 3 games, this is Fitz worst statistical season since his rookie year. Manipulate all you want, but the QB play is the common denominator.

Nothing special? Do you expect to have 3 Fitzgerald's on the team? You do need other serviceable receivers on the team. Pro-Bowl receivers aren't just sitting by the phone waiting for the Cardinals to call and offer them a job.

Also, you can't be ignorant to the fact that the offense has changed significantly going from a brilliant veteran hall-of-fame QB, to the three guys we have run out there this season. You honestly think Hightower just forgot how to run routes and catch the ball in his third season?

People can repeat this as often as they want, but it's not true. The production of the offense might have changed with the loss of a Hall of Fame quarterback in Warner, but the design of the offense hasn't changed from that loss. That's the biggest problem that I have with the current coaching staff. They're not tailoring the system to fit the personnel.
 

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Now here's what I would do for the defense:

RE: Da'quan Bowers UT: Darnell Dockett NT: Dan Williams LE: Calais Campbell
After the late season experimentation with a 4-3 shows some dividends, the Cardinals decide to move back to a 4-3/3-4 hybrid and select the best pass rusher to come out in years, Da'quan Bowers from Clemson. Bowers has size, speed, and is in the Mario Williams/Julius Peppers mold. This line has 3 legit pass rushers, but also guys that can anchor and stop the run.

WILB: Daryl Washington MLB: David Harris SOLB: Paris Lenon/Clark Haggans/ O'Brien Schofield
The second big free agent acquistion of the offseason, David Harris MLB from the Jets. While Harris wanted to stay with the Jets, the Cardinals overpaid (much like overpaying LT Donald Penn). Daryl Washington moves into the WILL spot, where he can be covered up more and run sideline to sideline. Lenon stays on since he can backup all three LB spots. O'Brien Schofield is the eventual starter at the SOLB position and bring a bit of pass rush and ability to seal the edge as does Clark Haggans.

CBs: DRC, Toler, Adams, Jefferson
Nothing really needs to change here yet; it would be nice if a draftpick could move Toler to the bench and Adams into the nickel but that's a luxury that likely won't be filled.

Safety: Wilson, Rhodes, Johnson, TBD
Nothing changes here. Wilson and Rhodes are entrenched, and Johnson is improving.
I would love to see this defense. Hire John Fox to coach them and you've got one mean defense.
 

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Wow this is so far past the needed focus, only thing for sure is drafting for need has screwed the Cardinals, We need to draft BPA ONLY in the top 10.

Their is premium on CB, OT, QB, DE only and forever.

We need a season, staff changes and to stock a war room before we decide on players, are we a 3-4 or a 4-3? I hope the hell Davis and the Millers are gone at the minimum!

If We got a DC like Fox everything changes, I like it because there is so many teams moving to the 3-4 the 4-3 parts are easier to find!

But what kind of offense are we, A wear the opposing defense down with 100 incompletions in a row style of offense?

I need to shut up again, this is just plain silly. The only identity we have is were in last place of the worst division in the history of earth.

Whiz adapted to KUrt Warner much better than He has adapted back to real football.

He's not even a good fantasy coach, I'll have a better draft using any popular website. really!
 

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People can repeat this as often as they want, but it's not true. The production of the offense might have changed with the loss of a Hall of Fame quarterback in Warner, but the design of the offense hasn't changed from that loss. That's the biggest problem that I have with the current coaching staff. They're not tailoring the system to fit the personnel.

I disagree. While the changes may not be to the extent you would like, they run far more play action and often keep more players in to block. I am not claiming they have completely changed the scheme, only that they have made changes that have given Hightower less chances as a receiver.
 

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I disagree. While the changes may not be to the extent you would like, they run far more play action and often keep more players in to block. I am not claiming they have completely changed the scheme, only that they have made changes that have given Hightower less chances as a receiver.

Maybe at this point, but it hasn't been that way from the beginning of the season, when the changes may have done some good. Hightower has been given fewer chances as a receiver in part because LSH has shown to be a better ball catcher and in part because Hightower has continued to drop the ball when it is thrown to him.
 

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QB (3): 10-Marc Bulger; 19-John Skelton; 2-Richard Bartell.

Inevitable. Cards won't want to give anything up in a trade---thus forget about Kevin Kolb or Kyle Orton, for example.

Signing Donovan McNabb would be an emotional boost...especially for Fitz. But, they can sign Bulger for significantly less.

It will be announced that Bulger will battle with Skelton, Bartell and Hall for the starting job. But, this is a fait accompli---at least until Whiz feels comfortable with Skelton.

Bartell is the next St. Pierre...smart #3. They figure they wil be able to sign Max Hall to the PS.

RB (4): 34-Tim Hightower; 26-Beanie Wells; 36-LaRod Stephens-Howling; 31-Jason Wright.

Status quo here. They will want LSH to get stronger so they can play him more. They re-sign Wright for STs again.

FB (1): 45-Reagan Maui'a.

They are happy with his progress.

TE (3): 83-Stephen Spach; 81-Jim Dray; 89-Mike McNeill (6-4, 248, Nebraska, 4th round).

Spach is the B-Rob of the offense---a Whiz fave who looks real iffy on tape most of the time. The team will say they tried to re-sign Ben Patrick, but he will sign elsewhere.

OL (9): 75-Levi Brown; 70-Rex Hadnot; 63-Lyle Sendlein; 76-Deuce Lutui; 72-Brandon Keith; 73-Jeremy Bridges; 61-Steven Wisnewski (G/C, 6-3, 297, 2nd Round); 77-Jason Pinkston (LT, 6-4, 305, Pittsburgh, 3rd Round); 68-Tom Pestock.

Whiz takes a Wis---a versatile interior lineman who may be able to start right away. Pinkston would be a steal in the early 60s of the draft. Keep an eye on Texas' Kyle Hix as well.

WR (6): 11-Larry Fitzgerald; 15-Steve Breaston; 80-Early Doucet; 12-Andre Roberts; 18-Max Komar; 14-Stephen Williams.

The Cardinals may have to use the f-tag on Breaston. The hope will be to avoid that...but Breaston may follow past examples, like Karlos Dansby. Would not be surprised to see a trade involving Early Doucet, perhaps on draft day to move up.

NT (2): 97-Bryan Robinson; 92-Dan Williams.

The Cardinals obviously have a higher opinion of B-Rob than any of us can figure out. By de-activating Gabe Watson so frequently, the team and he obviously are in the process of parting ways. Don't be surprised if Robinson is starting the first game---especially if Bill Davis is still the DC---which at this point looks more likely than not.

DE (4): 90-Darnell Dockett; 93-Calais Campbell; 91-Kenny Iwebema; 96-Ronald Talley.

Do you really think Alan "I'd just as soon be a substitute DE than NT starter" Branch is going to re-sign with the Cardinals? He has been auditioning for his next gig, which will be---in all likelihood---with the Eagles or Patriots.

There could be a draft pick here depending on what Kenny Iwebema's prognosis is.

ILB (4): 52-D'Qwell Jackson; 58-Daryl Washington; 51-Paris Lenon; 56-Reggie Walker.

McCreight goes hard for Jackson and gets him.

OLB (5): 53-Clark Haggans; 55-Joey Porter; 58-Will Davis; 50-O'Brien Schofield; 42-Robert Quinn (6-5, 270, North Carolina, 1st round)

This week Kerry Rhodes was exclaiming we are a "couple of pieces away" from being a great defense. Well, the Cardinals will gamble that Quinn didn't lose much after a year off and that he is one of the main pieces they need.

CB (5): 29-Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie; 23-Eric Wright; 28-Greg Toler; 27-Michael Adams; 20-A.J. Jefferson.

McCreight hops all over Eric Wright---who struggled a tad more than usual this year, but has very good skills and is still young. Gives the team excellent depth and talent at the position. Keep an eye on A.J. Jefferson too, who has great physical talents.

S (4): 24-Adrian Wilson; 25-Kerry Rhodes; 49-Rashad Johnson; 44-Jaiquawn Jarrett (6-2, 197, Temple, 5th Round).

The team may make a push to sign UFA Dashawn Goldson...the kind of hitter/enforcer/role player complement they need. But, if he signs elsewhere, they go ahead and draft Jarrett.

ST (3): 3-Jay Feely; 5-Ben Graham; 82-Mike Leach.

Three of the very best at their jobs...although Graham slipped a little this year.

These are the choices I believe the Cardinals will make. I don't necessarily agree with all of them...so please spare me the ad hominems. Thank you! Nah...go ahead...blast away!!!

Good thoughts Mitch.

I am not sold on Bulger as the answer at QB. I would prefer McNabb to Bulger. Better still, I believe that Hassleback might be available this off season. I can see Pete Carrol trying to get younger at QB, and going after Leinart to compete with Whitehurst for the starting job. It would be interesting to me to see Hasselback as our QB with Skelton learning from the bench as our QBOF. We could still use the draft to procure another prospect, or free agency to get another journeyman.

I like our running backs, (just not the way we use them). LSH is a superb special teamer, but has been wanting as a RB. He just doesn't seem to be strong enough to do the job there, though he is nice to have in spot play. I would like to see us use a lower draft pick or find an undrafted rookie or free agency to acquire another back, but I definitely keep LSH.

We positively need to acquire a pass-catching TE. Dray has dropped nearly every ball that hit his hands this year. I would really like for us to go after the kid from ASU who will be a free agent at Oakland this year.

I reall hate to say this, because he has worked very hard for us, but I believe that Lyle Sendlein is THE weak link in our O-line. No offensive line can hope to be any better than its Center, and while Sendlein has worked hard, his play is barely passable. He is not that strong, and is easily blown out of his position by stronger opponents. He also seems to get wrong coverages called in pass-protection far too often, leading to having unblocked opponents getting after our QB. I would really like to see us go after a bigger, stronger, smarter center-----one that can anchor the middle of our O-line. He and Deuce are the ONLY common denominators on this line, who have not been replaced or moved, and Deuce is NOT the problem.

I have no idea why Gabe Watson is so maligned on this squad. He has done everything that they asked him to do, (sound like Leinart?), yet he gets nothing but de-activations. He and Branch were model vets in the pre-season, coming in fit and trim, and coming in early and working with the rookies to set the example. Branch eventually won a playing roll where he excelled, but Watson could not manage to get anywhere near the D-lineup. I feel that this is yet another of Whiz's quirks, (just like Leinart was), and that he just doesn't like the guy for whatever reason. I would venture to say that so long as Whiz remains HC, Watson is a non-factor and will never get a legitimate shot. I am mystified as to how B-Rob continues to be the starter at the nose, when nearly every blocker in the league can move him five yards at will.

I agree wholeheartedly with your LB assessments. Picking up Jackson and Quinn would be huge for this team.

I too would love to see us bring in another CB-----one who is strong enough to tackle, and is willing to do so. I would like to see DRC relegated to nickle back or coming off the bench.

I find it hard to argue with any of your proposed selections. I still maintain, however, that none of this will produce anything of significance if we don't get a strong GM to ride herd on this coaching staff.

I not only don't happen to believe that Whiz was the creator of good football here in Cardinals land, in fact, I am of the belief that he has been the opposite-----he has misused talent, and has allowed talent to get away. I believe that talent brought in by Denney Greene, went much farther toward making us good than Whiz has done. Where would Whiz have been without Haley and Warner to mitigate his terrible playcalling and personnel usage. The only real talent that Whiz has brought in, (aside from the draft), is Kerry Rhodes, and he came via trade, not from free agency. Other than that, the veteran talent Whiz has produced for us has been mediocre at best, and terrible when you factor in Brian St.Pierre, and Derek Anderson.
 

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I have no idea why Gabe Watson is so maligned on this squad. He has done everything that they asked him to do, (sound like Leinart?), yet he gets nothing but de-activations. He and Branch were model vets in the pre-season, coming in fit and trim, and coming in early and working with the rookies to set the example. Branch eventually won a playing roll where he excelled, but Watson could not manage to get anywhere near the D-lineup. I feel that this is yet another of Whiz's quirks, (just like Leinart was), and that he just doesn't like the guy for whatever reason. I would venture to say that so long as Whiz remains HC, Watson is a non-factor and will never get a legitimate shot. I am mystified as to how B-Rob continues to be the starter at the nose, when nearly every blocker in the league can move him five yards at will.


I too would love to see us bring in another CB-----one who is strong enough to tackle, and is willing to do so. I would like to see DRC relegated to nickle back or coming off the bench.


I not only don't happen to believe that Whiz was the creator of good football here in Cardinals land, in fact, I am of the belief that he has been the opposite-----he has misused talent, and has allowed talent to get away. I believe that talent brought in by Denney Greene, went much farther toward making us good than Whiz has done. Where would Whiz have been without Haley and Warner to mitigate his terrible playcalling and personnel usage. The only real talent that Whiz has brought in, (aside from the draft), is Kerry Rhodes, and he came via trade, not from free agency. Other than that, the veteran talent Whiz has produced for us has been mediocre at best, and terrible when you factor in Brian St.Pierre, and Derek Anderson.

I think you are completely wrong about Gabe Watson. He has not done anything they have asked from him. He has been terrible lately, and is just getting worse. in SF game, Vernon Davis blocked him 1 on 1, three times in that game, i caught that after replaying play after play in slowmotion, where he ended up on the turf. Yes, pancacked by a TE without any help. I had to replay those plays couple of times, it was almost not real, that a 260 TE dominates a 330 NT. You never see something like that. That was the worst part of the whole game against SF, and believe me, there were many other things, but Gabe was the worst part of all. So there is a good reason (very good) that he isn't playing much more. Those blocks are reason we are not seeing him anymore.

I know many fans don't like B-Rob at NT, because he gets pushed arround so easy. I hate that as well. But there are good reason that he is still is in there that fans either don't notice or don't understand. He can pursuit to the sideline. That is the skill he has, that not many NT's have. Sure he gets pushed out at the point of attack, but on stretch plays he is pursuiting all the way to the sideline and making it difficult to run there. So there is a very good advantage of having him in and also a big disadvantage against power running footballteams that go inside all the time. Teams that use stretch or zone alot, he has some skills there that are useful. In addition, he reads plays better than any other lineman on this team, and plays with the best technique, better than even Campbell, and way better than Dockett. Sometimes you see him falling to the ground on purpose against double teams and that is an old rule that actually helps the defense a level behind you as strangly as that might sound. However, getting pushed arround and being pancacked 1 on 1 is horrible for any defensive line, you can not get reached like that against a single blocker, and therefore he is not a good NT to have. Especially against power running football teams like we saw it in SF game. Williams brings strength and is hard to block 1 on 1. But he needs bit more time to be just as good in pursuiting plays to the sideline as B-Rob. Williams has been doing that better and better lately and you can see him often maintaining control far toward the sideline, he has played lights out, and he is also getting much time on the field due to that. That's why they want the NT to slim down all the time. A huge NT that can't pursuit along the LOS is a liability sometimes.

I really don't agree with DRC. If we play man coverage, he is a top 5 corner in entire NFL. If we play zone, i agree, he is a backup at best.

I also don't agree with Whisenhunt. I think he made Haley what Haley is and not the other way arround. And Warner sucked really badly on this team prior to Whisenhunt came arrround, there is a good reason for that too. He had the same talent arround him, so as great as Warner is, he just can't do everything on his own.

It was a combination of a great QB, a great coach and a offensive coordinator that just learned alot being arround that great HC and that HOF QB. Haley has taken that knowledge to KC where he has a competent QB to make those plays, while Whiz is stuck with DA and two rookies that can't execute anything.
 

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The system does fit the personnel. It just doesn't fit the qb.

Really? Because it doesn't seem to fit Beanie Wells, and the offensive line isn't built to pass block 60% of the time or more. And, of course, the QB is the most important component of any offense. So if you're not building a system to fit the QB, how can anyone say it's a good system?
 

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The Franchise tag number for WRs next season should be north of $10 million. The 2010 number was $9.521 million. Steve Breaston didn't catch a single pass and wasn't targeted much Christmas Day. Breaston hasn't scored a TD since Week 3, and hasn't gone over 100 yards since Week 8. Do people here really want to commit $25 million to the WR position for 2011 for that? Bleagh.

It's stunning how quickly Mitch turned on Max Hall.

In one of the last two games Breaston did not catch one pass with Skelton throwing. Roberts was the go to man. The reason Breaston did not catch a pass was there was not one pass thrown to him. I contend Breaston is still a starter for most teams in the NFL including some of those in the playoffs. Of course if we do not get a passer who is consistent and can throw long neither Fitz or Breaston can display their abilities. In 2012 we may not have either Fitz or Breaston unless some QB materializes from ???? I continue to worry about Hightower and in particular Wells. Our running game is pathetic and we blame the OL. Just maybe it is not all the OL. Maybe these two are not what we think they are.
 

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I think you are completely wrong about Gabe Watson. He has not done anything they have asked from him. He has been terrible lately, and is just getting worse. in SF game, Vernon Davis blocked him 1 on 1, three times in that game, i caught that after replaying play after play in slowmotion, where he ended up on the turf. Yes, pancacked by a TE without any help. I had to replay those plays couple of times, it was almost not real, that a 260 TE dominates a 330 NT. You never see something like that. That was the worst part of the whole game against SF, and believe me, there were many other things, but Gabe was the worst part of all. So there is a good reason (very good) that he isn't playing much more. Those blocks are reason we are not seeing him anymore.

I know many fans don't like B-Rob at NT, because he gets pushed arround so easy. I hate that as well. But there are good reason that he is still is in there that fans either don't notice or don't understand. He can pursuit to the sideline. That is the skill he has, that not many NT's have. Sure he gets pushed out at the point of attack, but on stretch plays he is pursuiting all the way to the sideline and making it difficult to run there. So there is a very good advantage of having him in and also a big disadvantage against power running footballteams that go inside all the time. Teams that use stretch or zone alot, he has some skills there that are useful. In addition, he reads plays better than any other lineman on this team, and plays with the best technique, better than even Campbell, and way better than Dockett. Sometimes you see him falling to the ground on purpose against double teams and that is an old rule that actually helps the defense a level behind you as strangly as that might sound. However, getting pushed arround and being pancacked 1 on 1 is horrible for any defensive line, you can not get reached like that against a single blocker, and therefore he is not a good NT to have. Especially against power running football teams like we saw it in SF game. Williams brings strength and is hard to block 1 on 1. But he needs bit more time to be just as good in pursuiting plays to the sideline as B-Rob. Williams has been doing that better and better lately and you can see him often maintaining control far toward the sideline, he has played lights out, and he is also getting much time on the field due to that. That's why they want the NT to slim down all the time. A huge NT that can't pursuit along the LOS is a liability sometimes.

I really don't agree with DRC. If we play man coverage, he is a top 5 corner in entire NFL. If we play zone, i agree, he is a backup at best.

I also don't agree with Whisenhunt. I think he made Haley what Haley is and not the other way arround. And Warner sucked really badly on this team prior to Whisenhunt came arrround, there is a good reason for that too. He had the same talent arround him, so as great as Warner is, he just can't do everything on his own.

It was a combination of a great QB, a great coach and a offensive coordinator that just learned alot being arround that great HC and that HOF QB. Haley has taken that knowledge to KC where he has a competent QB to make those plays, while Whiz is stuck with DA and two rookies that can't execute anything.

Great take here.

It's often lost on fans what coaches are really looking for when playing a player. Like how last season everyone was clamoring for more Beanie, but every time he was on the field he nearly got Warner killed in pass protection. Since the passing game was a larger part of our offense than the running game, the RB HAS TO BE a good pass blocker. The difference between THT and Wells wasn't so great that you could put the worse blocker in.

I've noticed something recently, and I'd like to hear your take: What is wrong with our punting game? Has Ben Graham fallen off so much (less hang time) or are our gunners not getting down the field like last season? I've noticed punt returners are getting a lot more chances to return the ball this season, and was wondering which part of the equation is the problem. It may be both; during the Cowboys game, Dallas' punter McBriar was getting what seemed to be a 2 more seconds of hang time when compared to Graham.
 
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Good thoughts Mitch.

I am not sold on Bulger as the answer at QB. I would prefer McNabb to Bulger. Better still, I believe that Hassleback might be available this off season. I can see Pete Carrol trying to get younger at QB, and going after Leinart to compete with Whitehurst for the starting job. It would be interesting to me to see Hasselback as our QB with Skelton learning from the bench as our QBOF. We could still use the draft to procure another prospect, or free agency to get another journeyman.

I like our running backs, (just not the way we use them). LSH is a superb special teamer, but has been wanting as a RB. He just doesn't seem to be strong enough to do the job there, though he is nice to have in spot play. I would like to see us use a lower draft pick or find an undrafted rookie or free agency to acquire another back, but I definitely keep LSH.

We positively need to acquire a pass-catching TE. Dray has dropped nearly every ball that hit his hands this year. I would really like for us to go after the kid from ASU who will be a free agent at Oakland this year.

I reall hate to say this, because he has worked very hard for us, but I believe that Lyle Sendlein is THE weak link in our O-line. No offensive line can hope to be any better than its Center, and while Sendlein has worked hard, his play is barely passable. He is not that strong, and is easily blown out of his position by stronger opponents. He also seems to get wrong coverages called in pass-protection far too often, leading to having unblocked opponents getting after our QB. I would really like to see us go after a bigger, stronger, smarter center-----one that can anchor the middle of our O-line. He and Deuce are the ONLY common denominators on this line, who have not been replaced or moved, and Deuce is NOT the problem.

I have no idea why Gabe Watson is so maligned on this squad. He has done everything that they asked him to do, (sound like Leinart?), yet he gets nothing but de-activations. He and Branch were model vets in the pre-season, coming in fit and trim, and coming in early and working with the rookies to set the example. Branch eventually won a playing roll where he excelled, but Watson could not manage to get anywhere near the D-lineup. I feel that this is yet another of Whiz's quirks, (just like Leinart was), and that he just doesn't like the guy for whatever reason. I would venture to say that so long as Whiz remains HC, Watson is a non-factor and will never get a legitimate shot. I am mystified as to how B-Rob continues to be the starter at the nose, when nearly every blocker in the league can move him five yards at will.

I agree wholeheartedly with your LB assessments. Picking up Jackson and Quinn would be huge for this team.

I too would love to see us bring in another CB-----one who is strong enough to tackle, and is willing to do so. I would like to see DRC relegated to nickle back or coming off the bench.

I find it hard to argue with any of your proposed selections. I still maintain, however, that none of this will produce anything of significance if we don't get a strong GM to ride herd on this coaching staff.

I not only don't happen to believe that Whiz was the creator of good football here in Cardinals land, in fact, I am of the belief that he has been the opposite-----he has misused talent, and has allowed talent to get away. I believe that talent brought in by Denney Greene, went much farther toward making us good than Whiz has done. Where would Whiz have been without Haley and Warner to mitigate his terrible playcalling and personnel usage. The only real talent that Whiz has brought in, (aside from the draft), is Kerry Rhodes, and he came via trade, not from free agency. Other than that, the veteran talent Whiz has produced for us has been mediocre at best, and terrible when you factor in Brian St.Pierre, and Derek Anderson.

Good stuff as always, Catfish.

I was predicting what the Cardinals will do.

Here's what I would want...

1. As I wrote this morning I would do all that I could to hire Kurt Warner as OC---and if need be as HC. The thought of him directing the offense and coming up with the blueprints as he did versus Green Bay in the playoffs last year, is extremely exciting.

Remember too...last year...after the Cardinals had gotten annihilated by the Packers in both the pre-season and the last game of the season, Warner (after he took his notes on the sideline) had to go into practice that week and convince his demoralized teammates that they could actually beat the Packers---and he showed them HOW they could do it. Plus, he had to do it without Anquan Boldin, whom ML had hung out to dry on that high skinny post pass.

It's remarkable not only what Warner came up with in studying the Packer defense that had owned the Cardinals thus far---but it was even more remarkable that he was able to remove the seeds of doubt in his teammates' minds in just a mere 6 days.

2. One thing Warner's presence and influence would ensure is that there would no longer be any doubt about what kind of offense the Cardinals would run. They would run a spread with every intention of passing to set up the run, and not vice versa.

This is what worked for Warner...and what worked for the Cardinals with Warner.

Wanna re-sign Fitz? This is one sure way to do it.

2. We hire a bona fide 3-4 coach as DC. Preferrably one with experience. Wade Phillips---if he isn't snagged up by the Texans, would be ideal.

We used a 1st round pick on Dan Williams...he is a NT...and used a 2nd round pick on ILB Daryl Washington, who is an ideal WILB in the 3-4. We must stick with the 3-4.

3. The TWO most important off-season moves:

Acquiring QB Kevin Kolb and SOLB LaMarr Woodley...get the best you can at both those positions. Kolb is already signed to a contract. With Woodley, you pay him the big bucks. He's still young and is a perfect fit.

4. Find a way to draft LT Anthony Castonzo (6-7, 295, Boston College)---the best pass blocking LT in the draft. He started every game for 4 years at BC---he starts right away for the Cardinals.

Either trade Levi Brown or slide him down to LG to battle for the starting job with Rex Hadnot. Re-sign C Lyle Sendlein and RG Deuce Lutui. I actually like what Jeremy Bridges has brought at RT and would have him battle Brandon Keith for the starting job. Draft C/G Stefen Wisniewski (6-3, 297, Penn. St.) for depth at center and guard---have him challenge Sendlein for the starting job. I also like C Chase Beeler of Stanford. Draft guys who can excel at pass protection.

5. Sign another Nittany Lion...SILB Paul Posluszny (6-1, 248)...slide Daryl Washington over to WILB where he belongs. Have Paris Lenon and Reggie Walker be the backups.

6. Wild Card Free Agent Signing: RB Darren Sproles. Durability issues with LSH have me drooling over the prospect of having a lightining-in-a-bottle RB in the spread, who can turn a swing pass into, as Kurt Warner says, "chunk yards."

7. I like O'Brien Schofield at WOLB...but would draft another speed rusher like Jabbal Sheard of Pittsburgh or Dontay Moch of Nevada. I also would love to see the Cardinals pursue Mathias Kiwanuka (6-5, 265, Giants).

As the Rolling Stones so aptly wrote: "You can't always get what you want...but if you try sometime...you'll get what you need."
 

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Really? Because it doesn't seem to fit Beanie Wells, and the offensive line isn't built to pass block 60% of the time or more. And, of course, the QB is the most important component of any offense. So if you're not building a system to fit the QB, how can anyone say it's a good system?

Like it or not, this is a major transition year. Having a hall of fame QB, the strongest receiving trio in the league and an o-line that was far superior pass blocking to run blocking, it's no wonder why we were so unstoppable passing the ball. The success of our run game in the past was because everyone was keyed on the pass game, as they should have been. Take Kurt out of the equation, and it's no wonder everything fell apart on offense. Losing Anquan didn't help either.

Now we're suddenly supposed to be a power running team built around Beanie? Beanie can't stay healthy, can't pass block, and has been far less effective than Tim Hightower who is definitely not a great back. You really want to put all your eggs in the Beanie basket?

I guess the question is, how do you effectively build around a QB that's horrible, or any of the QB options we had, especially when many of them are short term answers? It's tough...the bottom line is, if you don't have a good QB in this league, you aren't getting anywhere. (Unless of course you have a dominant defense, which we sure as hell don't) It's a passing league, and good QB's with few exceptions are the reason for RB success as well as WR's. Look at the "weapons" surround Tom Brady...Branch and Welker at WR, with Green-Ellis and Woodhead at RB.

One of the things that impressed me most about Whiz when he came in, was that everyone expected a power running game, yet he knew what his strengths were, and made Kurt and the passing game the focus on the offense. What is Whiz supposed to do with the current personnel? You can't make chicken salad with...well, you know. It's a complicated problem, with no easy solution. Until we get a top 15 qb, it's going to be tough to see this, or any team succeeding.
 

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1. As I wrote this morning I would do all that I could to hire Kurt Warner as OC---and if need be as HC. The thought of him directing the offense and coming up with the blueprints as he did versus Green Bay in the playoffs last year, is extremely exciting.

Remember too...last year...after the Cardinals had gotten annihilated by the Packers in both the pre-season and the last game of the season, Warner (after he took his notes on the sideline) had to go into practice that week and convince his demoralized teammates that they could actually beat the Packers---and he showed them HOW they could do it. Plus, he had to do it without Anquan Boldin, whom ML had hung out to dry on that high skinny post pass.

It's remarkable not only what Warner came up with in studying the Packer defense that had owned the Cardinals thus far---but it was even more remarkable that he was able to remove the seeds of doubt in his teammates' minds in just a mere 6 days.

As David Bowie so aptly wrote: Ground Control to Major Tom".

I believe most of us knew that we weren't going to win the preseason game or the last game of the season because Whiz flat out stated he wasn't game planning for either. They did win the game they game planned for or should I say Warner was the only one responsible for that game plan.

I'm not sure how many seeds of doubt there were and that KW used his jedi mind trick to convince all the players they could beat the Packers.




As the Rolling Stones so aptly wrote: "You can't always get what you want...but if you try sometime...you'll get what you need."


Pretty much agree with the rest of your post.
 
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