Predicting the Draft Board.....

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Well..... This time I plan on ranking the top 13 players on the Cards draft board. If the strategy is BPA, then this would be what I consider the Cards "Top 13".This really turned into a fun exercise when I started eliminating some top prospects based on position, need, scheme, and the ever elusive..... "INTANGIBLES".

Here we go.....

1 - Andrew Luck.
2 - Matt Kalil
3 - RGIII
4 - Claiborne
5 - Richardson
6 - Blackmon
7 - Reiff
8 - Decastro
9 - Kuechly
10 - Ingram
11 - Barron
12 - Hightower
13 - Floyd

IMO this is pretty close to where they probably see the top 13.

What say you?
 

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The only sure thing is after the Cards pick they will tell us they got the highest rated player left on their board which we will never really know if it was.

I would love Hightower. Pairing him with Washington would give us 2 very fast ILB's that can drop in that short middle of the field and go from sideline to sideline.

Chandler Jones would add a bonofide DE should anything happen to Campbell and also has the ability to stand up in the 3-4 in as a pass rusher.

Mark Barron also would be a solid pick and eventually take over for an aging Wilson.
 

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Well..... This time I plan on ranking the top 13 players on the Cards draft board. If the strategy is BPA, then this would be what I consider the Cards "Top 13".This really turned into a fun exercise when I started eliminating some top prospects based on position, need, scheme, and the ever elusive..... "INTANGIBLES".

Here we go.....

1 - Andrew Luck.
2 - Matt Kalil
3 - RGIII
4 - Claiborne
5 - Richardson
6 - Blackmon
7 - Reiff
8 - Decastro
9 - Kuechly
10 - Ingram
11 - Barron
12 - Hightower
13 - Floyd

IMO this is pretty close to where they probably see the top 13.

What say you?

The draft boards I have seen have Hightower going somewhere near the end of the first round. I have not watched him play... just saying.
 

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As much as I would love to see Floyd fall to us. You REALLY think the skins spent 3 firsts and a 2nd for a tackle? There's no freaking way
 

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As much as I would love to see Floyd fall to us. You REALLY think the skins spent 3 firsts and a 2nd for a tackle? There's no freaking way

Umm, this is what the OP speculates is on the Cards draft board. Irrelevant what the Skins think. :)
 

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7a. Reiff
7b. Ingram
7c. Decastro
7d. Floyd
11. Keuchly

And tomorrow I will probably change the a,b,c,d around, maybe even 10 minutes from now.

Bottom line, I am desperately hoping to hear the names of Tannehill and Cox/Poe/Coples and/or Keuchly before we pick.
 

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I think I would replace Keuchly with Cox, I think Whiz covets DT/DE's alot more then alot of people on this board. IMO Cox would be a great rotation guy take some snaps from DD and CC and keep everyone fresh. That would improve our Defense more then a LB making tackles 5-10 yds from the line of scrimage. If its my cardinal board I value Hightower alot higher, because he plays downhill.
 

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Just dont see Keuchly on their draft board. In a rare instance of solidarity on the NFL's "Path to the Draft", all five guys love the kid a TON, but all of them also agreed he is not an attack the line of scrimmage guy who doesnt take on blocks and he needs to be in the right system. Which means, why draft a guy who doesnt attack the line of scrimmage and takes on blocks well to play SILB. This guy needs to play WILB or in a 4-3 D.

I think this guy would be one of the greatest MLB's to play in a cover 2 D of all time. Utilizing his great coverage skills and open field tackling, and not asked to attack the line of scrimmage.

You put him in the wrong system and you will have the next AJ Hawk or Ronald McKinnon(lots of down field tackles, zero impact).
 

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7a. Reiff
7b. Ingram
7c. Decastro
7d. Floyd
11. Keuchly

And tomorrow I will probably change the a,b,c,d around, maybe even 10 minutes from now.

Bottom line, I am desperately hoping to hear the names of Tannehill and Cox/Poe/Coples and/or Keuchly before we pick.

Agreed
 

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Just dont see Keuchly on their draft board. In a rare instance of solidarity on the NFL's "Path to the Draft", all five guys love the kid a TON, but all of them also agreed he is not an attack the line of scrimmage guy who doesnt take on blocks and he needs to be in the right system. Which means, why draft a guy who doesnt attack the line of scrimmage and takes on blocks well to play SILB. This guy needs to play WILB or in a 4-3 D.

I think this guy would be one of the greatest MLB's to play in a cover 2 D of all time. Utilizing his great coverage skills and open field tackling, and not asked to attack the line of scrimmage.

You put him in the wrong system and you will have the next AJ Hawk or Ronald McKinnon(lots of down field tackles, zero impact).

Agree again. No thx to LBs that don't attack the LOS.
 

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Just dont see Keuchly on their draft board. In a rare instance of solidarity on the NFL's "Path to the Draft", all five guys love the kid a TON, but all of them also agreed he is not an attack the line of scrimmage guy who doesnt take on blocks and he needs to be in the right system. Which means, why draft a guy who doesnt attack the line of scrimmage and takes on blocks well to play SILB. This guy needs to play WILB or in a 4-3 D.

I think this guy would be one of the greatest MLB's to play in a cover 2 D of all time. Utilizing his great coverage skills and open field tackling, and not asked to attack the line of scrimmage.

You put him in the wrong system and you will have the next AJ Hawk or Ronald McKinnon(lots of down field tackles, zero impact).

Joe---Keuchly's anticipation and ability to read the play enable him to beat the blocks. This is one of his greatest strengths. He is so fast reacting and amazingly I have rarely seen him over-run a play---he has an instinctive sense of maintaining the proper pursuit angle...and no one in this draft is better at finishing off a tackle.

As you suggest about his coverage skills, Keuchly is the epitome of what teams need today from their linebackers. The classic run stuffers of the past are becoming phased out because it has become a pass first league and if teams see a run stuffer in the middle they will exploit him in coverage.

I think Keuchly could play SILB in the 34---with ease. In fact, he's not the classic WILL because he's not a dynamic blitzer the way Daryl Washington is.

The other thing about Keuchly that some may overlook is that because he tracks the ball so quickly, he makes a good deal of tackles on balls thrown away from his zone or man...which again, is such a plus in defending today's short to intermediate passing game.
 

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You didn't list any DT's from a pretty strong draft-class.

I'd be inclined to swap out Hightower and Barron for Poe and Cox, but the thing is that we are trying to read the collective minds of the Cardinal War Room staff. I don't have a clue as to what those folks are thinking - whether they love Hightower because of his length, brains and hitting-power. Or Barron because he's smart, can play centerfield and also move up into the box. Cox because he can either backup Williams inside or Dockett outside. Or Poe because he'd be immovable at NT.

Or maybe the Cardinal brass has a high grade on a few "surprise" players we never suspected- Kendall Wright or Nick Perry or Whitney Mercilus or even Cordy Glenn or for that matter, Copley. (Who among us had even an inkling that Ryan Williams was rated so highly on last year's Cardinal draft board or Dan Williams 2 years ago)?

My point - Each of us may think we've got the Top 13 nailed the way we'd stack them, but we're not mind-readers: we could be way off the mark trying to predict how the Cards will stack their Top 13.
 
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Agree again. No thx to LBs that don't attack the LOS.

This is a false statement about Keuchly, Beerz. If the play is coming right at him, which it rarely was at BC, Keuchly would step up and meet the blocker in the hole and still get a piece of the RB.

I have never seen Keuchly sit back and let the play come to him---and I've seen every one of his snaps at BC---

This notion of he is just a 4-5 yard down the field tackler is a farce. People have to try to find weaknesses in every player in the draft---and one of the easiest ones to make about inside LBers is---can't take on blocks. If your defense has allowed the 6-3, 304 pound guard to have a free shot at the ILB, then who is going to win?

Good linebacker play is about freeing them up to make the tackles---even Ray Lewis gets blocked a plenty in this league.
 
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You didn't list any DT's from a pretty strong draft-class.

I'd be inclined to swap out Hightower and Barron for Poe and Cox, but the thing is that we are trying to read the collective minds of the Cardinal War Room staff. I don't have a clue as to what those folks are thinking - whether they love Hightower because of his length, brains and hitting-power. Or Barron because he's smart, can play centerfield and also move up into the box. Cox because he can either backup Williams inside or Dockett outside. Or Poe because he'd be immovable at NT.

Or maybe the Cardinal brass has a high grade on a few "surprise" players we never suspected- Kendall Wright or Nick Perry or Whitney Mercilus or even Cordy Glenn or for that matter, Copley. (Who among us had even an inkling that Ryan Williams was rated so highly on last year's Cardinal draft board or Dan Williams 2 years ago)?

My point - Each of us may think we've got the Top 13 nailed the way we'd stack them, but we're not mind-readers: we could be way off the mark tyring to predict how the Cards will stack their Top 13.

Hi Jeff,

I really don't think we are looking at any of the DT's early. I would probably have Cox & Poe listed between 13 and 20 but since we pick at 13 they aren't on our board that high.

You are right though....... It's all a guessing game. And man, I love it!
 

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Hi Jeff,

I really don't think we are looking at any of the DT's early. I would probably have Cox & Poe listed between 13 and 20 but since we pick at 13 they aren't on our board that high.

You are right though....... It's all a guessing game. And man, I love it!
Hi Doc:

I love it too. One of the mysteries will be the degree to which the Cardinal brass weights their BPA ratings according to position-need and system-fit. And, after that, how Cox, Poe (or maybe even Brockers) are slotted on their weighted-BPA board. (It may be a matter of how high we rate a couple of good players who happen to be DT's - and, to some degree, may serve as a gut-check of our fealty to the BPA concept).
 

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This is a false statement about Keuchly, Beerz. If the play is coming right at him, which it rarely was at BC, Keuchly would step up and meet the blocker in the hole and still get a piece of the RB.

I have never seen Keuchly sit back and let the play come to him---and I've seen every one of his snaps at BC---

This notion of he is just a 4-5 yard down the field tackler is a farce. People have to try to find weaknesses in every player in the draft---and one of the easiest ones to make about inside LBers is---can't take on blocks. If your defense has allowed the 6-3, 304 pound guard to have a free shot at the ILB, then who is going to win?

Good linebacker play is about freeing them up to make the tackles---even Ray Lewis gets blocked a plenty in this league.

Tell that to all 4 pundits on NFL Network. Charlie Casserly, Charlie Davis, Lombardi, and Mayock. Again it is rare that they all agree about something, and they did in this case. I will trust what those 4 guys say as a collective.

They even showed like a minute worth of clips, and not one of them did he attack the line of scrimmage or take on a block.
 

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The only sure thing is after the Cards pick they will tell us they got the highest rated player left on their board which we will never really know if it was.

I would love Hightower. Pairing him with Washington would give us 2 very fast ILB's that can drop in that short middle of the field and go from sideline to sideline.

Chandler Jones would add a bonofide DE should anything happen to Campbell and also has the ability to stand up in the 3-4 in as a pass rusher.

Mark Barron also would be a solid pick and eventually take over for an aging Wilson.

why chandler is so high in some list,,,,he had poor stats in college..i just ask u cause i never see him playing
 

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Tell that to all 4 pundits on NFL Network. Charlie Casserly, Charlie Davis, Lombardi, and Mayock. Again it is rare that they all agree about something, and they did in this case. I will trust what those 4 guys say as a collective.

They even showed like a minute worth of clips, and not one of them did he attack the line of scrimmage or take on a block.

But I'm sure he did plenty. Sometimes they pick and choose to back up an assessment.

Mitch has seen much more of BC than alll those guys combined.
 

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Umm, this is what the OP speculates is on the Cards draft board. Irrelevant what the Skins think. :)
lol, fair enough, but if he thinks that's how it'll play out, it makes me a bit more skeptical about his judgement
 
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I don't think this is how it would play out.....

IMO this is what the Cards top 13 looks like. Hopefully they would draft the top-rated player on their board when #13 rolls around.
 

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I don't think this is how it would play out.....

IMO this is what the Cards top 13 looks like. Hopefully they would draft the top-rated player on their board when #13 rolls around.
perfect response. I hope that's who we get
 

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But I'm sure he did plenty. Sometimes they pick and choose to back up an assessment.

Mitch has seen much more of BC than alll those guys combined.

I agree. I'll trust the opinion of a fan who has watched every game a guy has played in college over a bunch of talking heads whose sole job is to generate ratings. Guys I call the weathermen of pro sports.

Well unless the fan is a real homer for their college team like me or Cbus. :p

But I was right about Sam Acho and all the weathermen and most of the NFL scouts were wrong so there's that.
 

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I agree. I'll trust the opinion of a fan who has watched every game a guy has played in college over a bunch of talking heads whose sole job is to generate ratings. Guys I call the weathermen of pro sports.

Well unless the fan is a real homer for their college team like me or Cbus. :p

But I was right about Sam Acho and all the weathermen and most of the NFL scouts were wrong so there's that.

What makes the draft difficult is the negative perception on drafting players with low ceilings in the first round, and the focus on perceived positional value. The draft isn't about "winning" or "grades" and in the end is truely about identifying what the individual positions in your scheme require and taking players that best fill those requirements. As an organization, you should put a priority on addressing positions which make the biggest impact on what you want to accomplish on each unit.

Sam Acho is a perfect example of this. In a 3-4, you have to have versatile OLBs who can both impact the run game, rush the passer, and drop into coverage. Acho was never a supremely athletic player, and was therefore devalued because of his low ceiling. However, when put into our defensive scheme, he flourished because he was able to do all of the required responsibilities consistently and on a high level. This is one reason I feel we will make a move on Melvin Ingram if available, and is because he brings similar traits as Acho with a bit more natural athleticism.

It is why players who contribute in nickel packages should be at an all time demand. They have a greater effect against an offense than traditional "run stoppers" or "box safeties" because offenses are so pass oriented and it makes these players more difficult to scheme away from. I would much rather have players that can stop Green Bay's passing game, because as a defense, I want them to run the ball. I want the ball in James Starks' hands rather than Aaron Rodgers.

Also, this is what has frustrated me so much about the Cardinals lack of drafting offensive linemen. Offensive linemen have a direct impact on the success rate of every offensive play, and regardless of the position the play on the offensive line, there should be an organizational priority on acquiring the best players possible to play in that unit. A teams ability to effectively block any given play as designed is directly correlated to the consistency of that play being successful. An inconsistent offensive line will always lead to inconsistent offenisive productivity. This is why I will generally prioritize an offensive lineman over a wide receiver. Given enough time, almost any professional wide receiver can get open, but without time, very few can do so. This is even more necessary if you lack a top QB.
 
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