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Steve Keim has been getting his fair share of well-earned praise from Michael Bidwill, the Cardinals' players, coaches and fans, local sports reporters and national pundits. What he has accomplished in a little over three years of being the Cardinals' GM is remarkable and unprecedented. Much of what he has done over the past three years has been well-documented---such as pulling QB Carson Palmer out of a hat and adding free agents such as LT Jared Veldheer and LG Mike Iupati.

That said, Keim's current work this off-season could very well be his best and most skillful to date.

Keim made it his primary goal to improve the pass rush---and just when it appeared that he was unable to acquire one of the premier edge rushers in this free agent class, having missed out on signing his two major targets, Jason Pierre-Paul and Bruce Irvin---Keim delivers on an unprecedented blockbuster trade that registered shock waves across the NFL, when he acquired DE/OLB Chandler Jones from the Patriots for star-crossed G Jonathan Cooper and the Cardinals' 2nd round pick in this year's draft.

Allow me first to say that I and many of you had already conceded that another year had come and gone in free agency where the Cardinals agonizingly struck out once again on landing the missing piece of the championship formula trifecta---because teams know they need excellence in particular at QB, LT and RDE---which is why the top players at those position get gobbled up early and often each year in the draft---which is why teams typically overpay at this positions because of their importance.

Well, as it it turned out, not only did Keim pull another rabbit out of the hat---he managed to acquire an edge rusher in Chandler Jones who appears to be not only the ideal fit skill-wise because of his versatility---he also appears to be the ideal fit for the team culture that Keim has been steadily building.

When you think about it---the Cardinals are getting the combination of skills they would have gotten from Pierre-Paul and Irvin in Chandler Jones---plus, Jones' exuberance, his gregarious personality and his team-first mentality are the kind of intangibles that every GM who is building a culture wants to procure.

Moreover, in light of how desperate the Cardinals were to add a bona fide edge rusher, it is amazing that Keim managed to negotiate a deal that did not involve trading this year's first round pick at #29.

If anyone had asked me or you a week ago whether it would be worth it for Keim to trade the #29 pick for DE/OLB Chandler Jones, I would have emphatically said yes. No draft pick edge rusher at #29 can come even remotely close to doing what Chandler Jones does.

And even though this has not been reported---we just know that Keim's three days of negotiations with the Patriots must have started with discussions about the #29 pick---especially seeing as the Patriots were trying to recover the pick they lost in Deflategate.

Without question, Keim's three day diligence paid off big-time when he was able to get Bill Belichick to agree to a package of G Jonathan Cooper and the #61 pick.

The point is---Steve Keim simply does not and will not act in desperation.

For a young GM to be this savvy is phenomenal.

Let's face it---how much leverage did Keim have dangling Jonathan Cooper? Keim surely would have had to explain to Belichick why Cooper did not get his starting job back from Ted Larsen after Coop was briefly recovering from a knee sprain.

While I do not know if this as a fact---I will bet you that Keim asked Belichick to go and watch Coop's 2015 tape and to see for himself the promising aspects of his play. Coop showed some very good flashes this past year.

Keim must have assured Belichick that with their style of coaching, Cooper could develop into the player Keim thought he was drafting 3 years ago.

Here in New England all the pundits are feeling very confident that Belichick and newly re-signed offensive line guru Dante Scarnecchia are going to turn Cooper into a superb player.

If any of you managed to see and hear Keim articulate on the skills that Chandler Jones brings to the Cardinals' defense during his presser---wow---that kind of thorough, rapid-fire and masterful articulation is exactly what make Keim so beloved by the players in the organization. You could just see Chandler Jones preening beside Keim in the understanding that man this guy really gets who I am and what I bring as a player.

Clearly it was that same kind of articulation that allowed Keim to convince Belichick that a package of Cooper and the #61 pick for Jones was a win-win for both teams.

Furthermore, take a gander at what Keim achieved in his his other deal this past week---he managed to swoop in at the right time to sweeten the ante on TE Jermaine Gresham and RB Chris Johnson so that both players decided to turn down more money and longer-term deals in order to re-sign with the Cardinals. These signings were masterful---not only do they indicate Keim's fierce loyalty to the players, but his exemplary discipline in getting the players and the team to agree to terms that work both ways.

It is significant too that Keim is making good on his one year prove it deals when is able to re-sign and reward such players when they deserve it and when they have garnered the team's trust.

What team effort it was on top of all that for Keim to sign G Evan Mathis to fill the void left by Cooper's departure. It is symbolic that the former player Keim has professed the greatest affinity for and loyalty towards, Adrian Wilson, was the key broker of this deal. Mathis was very candid when he said he was riding the wave of winning the Super Bowl and figuring he would retire---when Wilson came along and easily convinced Mathis to make another run for the confetti with the team in his own back yard.

Speaking of Keim's loyalty to the players---it should not be forgotten that he even tried to swoop in and convince T Bobby Massie to return for another year. Even though Massie really couldn't turn down the Bears' good offer---it must have felt good for Massie to know that Keim and the Cardinals still wanted him.

It's this kind of loyalty that may allow Keim to sign DE Dwight Freeney and/or LB Karlos Dansby in the days ahead. Keim keeps building his bridges---if you've noticed---he doesn't burn them. When Dansby signed for top dollar with the Browns, Keim gave him his blessing, even though it was tough to see him go.

And the wonderful thing is---and Steve Keim would tell us this himself---he is still learning and growing on the job. This draft should be very telling because Steve Keim and his scouts have been garnering a clearer sense of the type of players who would be good culture and system fits in the organization---and let's face it---Keim knows that it takes a certain mental and physical toughness, passion and energy for draftees and free agents to endear BA and his coaches.

Prime Keim...stay tuned...season 4 is well on its way! :newcards:
 
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Mitch i dont think belichick had to be persuased by Keim about Cooper
They need offensive line help plus adding a high pick they lost from defletgate
I think scarnecchia have had a Key role in this trade,considering he really liked him out if college and his potential
 

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Good read Mitch. I also think Kiem does a great job of identifying major needs and targeting players that that not only fit our scheme, but also play the game with great passion. Another thing I love about Kiem is that he goes into negotiations with a plan and a ceiling for the contract. When the price get too high he is able to put his emotions to the side and walk away. And you are right, he's only going to get better!
 

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On a side note, I believe that one of the stipulations in the punishment handed down by the league was that NE was unable to trade back into the first round this year. Not that this takes away from what Kiem was able to do, but I'm sure he didn't mind #29 was off limits.

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I am trying to find a credible source that confirms NE can Not trade back into the first round. Sorry I didn't find link prior to posting. Until then don't take the above as fact due to this post.
 
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Steve Kiem is a very good GM. He is the single biggest reason for all our recent success. We better lock him up long term.
 
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Mitch i dont think belichick had to be persuased by Keim about Cooper
They need offensive line help plus adding a high pick they lost from defletgate
I think scarnecchia have had a Key role in this trade,considering he really liked him out if college and his potential

Why then, Juza, did the negotiations take three days?

I think without a doubt the Patriots wanted the #29 pick.

In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if the Patriots wanted the #29 pick and Jonathan Cooper...

When you think about it---it was as if Chandler Jones was a franchise tag a year early---and what does it usually take: 2 first rounders.

Plus, Belichick had to be concerned as to why Cooper in three years had not endeared himself to the coaches.

Moreover, let's not forget that the rumors were the Cardinals were switching Cooper to center. What does that suggest about a guard the Cardinals drafted in the top 10 of the 2013 draft?

Put it this way---if Keim had put Cooper on the market---what do you think teams would have been willing to offer? Especially in light of Coop's struggles and the fact that his base salary in 2016 is close to $3M, what realistically do you think Keim would have gotten? oh and let's not forget he is in the last year of his contract if the team that has his rights doesn't wish to pick up his $11M 2017 5th year option.

A 4th rounder at best? Possibly a 5th?

How does one explain why Cooper lost his job to Ted Larsen?

Sure, Belichick had Cooper highly rated three years ago---but that's three years of injury issues and benchings...both of which are red flags.
 
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On a side note, I believe that one of the stipulations in the punishment handed down by the league was that NE was unable to trade back into the first round this year. Not that this takes away from what Kiem was able to do, but I'm sure he didn't mind #29 was off limits.

I like what you said about Keim's affinity for adding players with passion in adding to his vision of the team's culture.

What the Patriots couldn't do is trade up into the first 28 picks---if they did, the pick would be reverted back to the #29 spot---the spot they would have had. Thus, the #29 pick of the Cardinals was very much in play.

http://thedraftwire.usatoday.com/20...-back-into-the-first-round-of-2016-nfl-draft/
 
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On a side note, I believe that one of the stipulations in the punishment handed down by the league was that NE was unable to trade back into the first round this year. Not that this takes away from what Kiem was able to do, but I'm sure he didn't mind #29 was off limits.
This is my understanding also. NE can't pick in the first round by any means.
 

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I like what you said about Keim's affinity for adding players with passion in adding to his vision of the team's culture.

What the Patriots couldn't do is trade up into the first 28 picks---if they did, the pick would be reverted back to the #29 spot---the spot they would have had. Thus, the #29 pick of the Cardinals was very much in play.

http://thedraftwire.usatoday.com/20...-back-into-the-first-round-of-2016-nfl-draft/
Didn't know that. Thanks for the update
 

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Love SK, dude is hard core. I'm at the point that I am no longer shocked or surprised when he pulls of a great signing or trade. I'm now at the point where I'm thinking, HEY Keim, what's taking so long on getting los signed. :)

I think BA has more to do with the players wanting to return but I agree that SK helps in that regard as well.
 
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Love SK, dude is hard core. I'm at the point that I am no longer shocked or surprised when he pulls of a great signing or trade. I'm now at the point where I'm thinking, HEY Keim, what's taking so long on getting los signed. :)

I think BA has more to do with the players wanting to return but I agree that SK helps in that regard as well.

I think BA & SK are very much on the same page.

What I also wanted to mention was how superb Keim is at keeping the players hungry via market value base salaries accentuated with incentives. The agents seem to favor this approach as well because the players can improve and sometimes even re-set their market values through good play.
 

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Mitch, Once again you have concisely and seamlessly characterized the actions of Steve Keim in that beautiful way that only you can do on this board. It is such a pleasure for the others of us fans here to be able to read your thoughts and ideas of how lucky we are to be witnessing the growth of Keim. You and I both know that he had already been singled out by Michael even while his every effort was being trumped by the ineptitude of Ken Whizenhunt and Rod Graves. It was exactly during that time that Michael concluded that Keim was the guy he wanted to manage this franchise once football operations were turned over to Michael. Thank you again for summarizing just how important SK's work has been to this organization, and how his diligence blends with the wants and needs of both Michael and Bruce Arians. You are dead-on correct with your observations of how he has such a unique read on his selected players. This was yet another masterful job by you of showing us how important SK is to this franchise.
 

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Steve Keim has been getting his fair share of well-earned praise from Michael Bidwill, the Cardinals' players, coaches and fans, local sports reporters and national pundits. What he has accomplished in a little over three years of being the Cardinals' GM is remarkable and unprecedented. Much of what he has done over the past three years has been well-documented---such as pulling QB Carson Palmer out of a hat and adding free agents such as LT Jared Veldheer and LG Mike Iupati.

That said, Keim's current work this off-season could very well be his best and most skillful to date.

Keim made it his primary goal to improve the pass rush---and just when it appeared that he was unable to acquire one of the premier edge rushers in this free agent class, having missed out on signing his two major targets, Jason Pierre-Paul and Bruce Irvin---Keim delivers on an unprecedented blockbuster trade that registered shock waves across the NFL, when he acquired DE/OLB Chandler Jones from the Patriots for star-crossed G Jonathan Cooper and the Cardinals' 2nd round pick in this year's draft.

Allow me first to say that I and many of you had already conceded that another year had come and gone in free agency where the Cardinals agonizingly struck out once again on landing the missing piece of the championship formula trifecta---because teams know they need excellence in particular at QB, LT and RDE---which is why the top players at those position get gobbled up early and often each year in the draft---which is why teams typically overpay at this positions because of their importance.

Well, as it it turned out, not only did Keim pull another rabbit out of the hat---he managed to acquire an edge rusher in Chandler Jones who appears to be not only the ideal fit skill-wise because of his versatility---he also appears to be the ideal fit for the team culture that Keim has been steadily building.

When you think about it---the Cardinals are getting the combination of skills they would have gotten from Pierre-Paul and Irvin in Chandler Jones---plus, Jones' exuberance, his gregarious personality and his team-first mentality are the kind of intangibles that every GM who is building a culture wants to procure.

Moreover, in light of how desperate the Cardinals were to add a bona fide edge rusher, it is amazing that Keim managed to negotiate a deal that did not involve trading this year's first round pick at #29.

If anyone had asked me or you a week ago whether it would be worth it for Keim to trade the #29 pick for DE/OLB Chandler Jones, I would have emphatically said yes. No draft pick edge rusher at #29 can come even remotely close to doing what Chandler Jones does.

And even though this has not been reported---we just know that Keim's three days of negotiations with the Patriots must have started with discussions about the #29 pick---especially seeing as the Patriots were trying to recover the pick they lost in Deflategate.

Without question, Keim's three day diligence paid off big-time when he was able to get Bill Belichick to agree to a package of G Jonathan Cooper and the #61 pick.

The point is---Steve Keim simply does not and will not act in desperation.

For a young GM to be this savvy is phenomenal.

Let's face it---how much leverage did Keim have dangling Jonathan Cooper? Keim surely would have had to explain to Belichick why Cooper did not get his starting job back from Ted Larsen after Coop was briefly recovering from a knee sprain.

While I do not know if this as a fact---I will bet you that Keim asked Belichick to go and watch Coop's 2015 tape and to see for himself the promising aspects of his play. Coop showed some very good flashes this past year.

Keim must have assured Belichick that with their style of coaching, Cooper could develop into the player Keim thought he was drafting 3 years ago.

Here in New England all the pundits are feeling very confident that Belichick and newly re-signed offensive line guru Dante Scarnecchia are going to turn Cooper into a superb player.

If any of you managed to see and hear Keim articulate on the skills that Chandler Jones brings to the Cardinals' defense during his presser---wow---that kind of thorough, rapid-fire and masterful articulation is exactly what make Keim so beloved by the players in the organization. You could just see Chandler Jones preening beside Keim in the understanding that man this guy really gets who I am and what I bring as a player.

Clearly it was that same kind of articulation that allowed Keim to convince Belichick that a package of Cooper and the #61 pick for Jones was a win-win for both teams.

Furthermore, take a gander at what Keim achieved in his his other deal this past week---he managed to swoop in at the right time to sweeten the ante on TE Jermaine Gresham and RB Chris Johnson so that both players decided to turn down more money and longer-term deals in order to re-sign with the Cardinals. These signings were masterful---not only do they indicate Keim's fierce loyalty to the players, but his exemplary discipline in getting the players and the team to agree to terms that work both ways.

It is significant too that Keim is making good on his one year prove it deals when is able to re-sign and reward such players when they deserve it and when they have garnered the team's trust.

What team effort it was on top of all that for Keim to sign G Evan Mathis to fill the void left by Cooper's departure. It is symbolic that the former player Keim has professed the greatest affinity for and loyalty towards, Adrian Wilson, was the key broker of this deal. Mathis was very candid when he said he was riding the wave of winning the Super Bowl and figuring he would retire---when Wilson came along and easily convinced Mathis to make another run for the confetti with the team in his own back yard.

Speaking of Keim's loyalty to the players---it should not be forgotten that he even tried to swoop in and convince T Bobby Massie to return for another year. Even though Massie really couldn't turn down the Bears' good offer---it must have felt good for Massie to know that Keim and the Cardinals still wanted him.

It's this kind of loyalty that may allow Keim to sign DE Dwight Freeney and/or LB Karlos Dansby in the days ahead. Keim keeps building his bridges---if you've noticed---he doesn't burn them. When Dansby signed for top dollar with the Browns, Keim gave him his blessing, even though it was tough to see him go.

And the wonderful thing is---and Steve Keim would tell us this himself---he is still learning and growing on the job. This draft should be very telling because Steve Keim and his scouts have been garnering a clearer sense of the type of players who would be good culture and system fits in the organization---and let's face it---Keim knows that it takes a certain mental and physical toughness, passion and energy for draftees and free agents to endear BA and his coaches.

Prime Keim...stay tuned...season 4 is well on its way! :newcards:

Perfectly stated Mitch. Not sure if you saw my other thread where I mentioned I saw Keim (as well as BA and Chandler Jones), at a local steak house here in Phoenix last Wednesday night... As they were all sitting around their table, and as fan after fan kept coming up to them, Keim had the presence of a very, very proud papa. He was so relaxed, so in the moment and so clearly IN CHARGE!
His possesses an aura about him that belies his young age and his relative low tenure as a GM.
I just hope he is able to remain who he is and not let his incredible success morph him into something he clearly doesn't want to be. Humility is a most powerful weapon when harnessed and sustained...
 

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I still have to give a ton of credit to Michael Bidwill for being an owner who can pick the right people and give them the tools and the ability to do their job well. Definitely one of the types of owners that fans of any team would want to have.
 

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I still have to give a ton of credit to Michael Bidwill for being an owner who can pick the right people and give them the tools and the ability to do their job well. Definitely one of the types of owners that fans of any team would want to have.

Absolutely! It always, always takes a team to bring about great and sustained success! BA, Keim and Michael Bidwill are without question the perfect combination. They understand each others' respective roles and skills and most importantly, they stay in their lanes! It's awesome to watch!! ;)
 

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Mitch, Once again you have concisely and seamlessly characterized the actions of Steve Keim in that beautiful way that only you can do on this board. It is such a pleasure for the others of us fans here to be able to read your thoughts and ideas of how lucky we are to be witnessing the growth of Keim. You and I both know that he had already been singled out by Michael even while his every effort was being trumped by the ineptitude of Ken Whizenhunt and Rod Graves. It was exactly during that time that Michael concluded that Keim was the guy he wanted to manage this franchise once football operations were turned over to Michael. Thank you again for summarizing just how important SK's work has been to this organization, and how his diligence blends with the wants and needs of both Michael and Bruce Arians. You are dead-on correct with your observations of how he has such a unique read on his selected players. This was yet another masterful job by you of showing us how important SK is to this franchise.



damn....you gonna spit that out now?
 
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Mitch, Once again you have concisely and seamlessly characterized the actions of Steve Keim in that beautiful way that only you can do on this board. It is such a pleasure for the others of us fans here to be able to read your thoughts and ideas of how lucky we are to be witnessing the growth of Keim. You and I both know that he had already been singled out by Michael even while his every effort was being trumped by the ineptitude of Ken Whizenhunt and Rod Graves. It was exactly during that time that Michael concluded that Keim was the guy he wanted to manage this franchise once football operations were turned over to Michael. Thank you again for summarizing just how important SK's work has been to this organization, and how his diligence blends with the wants and needs of both Michael and Bruce Arians. You are dead-on correct with your observations of how he has such a unique read on his selected players. This was yet another masterful job by you of showing us how important SK is to this franchise.

As always, Catfish, I appreciate your support and kindness. I think back to our phone conversations when you and I were so exasperated and frustrated with the organization...and now it almost feels surreal to be BASKing in the auspices of a first-class management team. I was thinking the other day that the only players who remain from 4 years ago are Fitz, Floyd, Calais, PP and Bethel---thus, what SK has done to transform and deepen this roster is beyond extraordinary.:newcards:
 
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Perfectly stated Mitch. Not sure if you saw my other thread where I mentioned I saw Keim (as well as BA and Chandler Jones), at a local steak house here in Phoenix last Wednesday night... As they were all sitting around their table, and as fan after fan kept coming up to them, Keim had the presence of a very, very proud papa. He was so relaxed, so in the moment and so clearly IN CHARGE!
His possesses an aura about him that belies his young age and his relative low tenure as a GM.
I just hope he is able to remain who he is and not let his incredible success morph him into something he clearly doesn't want to be. Humility is a most powerful weapon when harnessed and sustained...

I so enjoyed reading your posts, 82, about the golf tourney and the restaurant...and how receptive SK and the players were to you and the fans. They are enjoying this ride even more than we are---and that's saying a lot, isn't it?
 
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I still have to give a ton of credit to Michael Bidwill for being an owner who can pick the right people and give them the tools and the ability to do their job well. Definitely one of the types of owners that fans of any team would want to have.

Agreed. Great leadership starts at the top and MB has been stellar.
 

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Mitch I don't think Belichick had to be persuased by Keim about Cooper They need offensive line help plus adding a high pick they lost from defletgate I think scarnecchia have had a Key role in this trade,considering he really liked him out if college and his potential

+1

It was the best both side could have got. I'm glad we have people that can get it done at their level but I'm not ready to say we got over on them.
 

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It was the best both side could have got. I'm glad we have people that can get it done at their level but I'm not ready to say we got over on them.

I agree. I like Cooper's talent and he passed the eye test when he was on the field....which wasn't much really....for whatever reason.

IMO both sides got what they needed at a fair price against the market....in the long run we may come out the winner in the deal...but if they draft a ten year all pro with that pick??

at this point it looks like a solid win-win deal anyway....I hope Coop becomes a pro bowler for them and they do draft an all pro with that pick...I also hope Jones elevates his game into the 15 sacks a season range for the next five or six years for us
 

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Big trades like this are pretty rare. I had given up on improving the pass rush myself, and then KeimTime!
 

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I agree. I like Cooper's talent and he passed the eye test when he was on the field....which wasn't much really....for whatever reason.



IMO both sides got what they needed at a fair price against the market....in the long run we may come out the winner in the deal...but if they draft a ten year all pro with that pick??



at this point it looks like a solid win-win deal anyway....I hope Coop becomes a pro bowler for them and they do draft an all pro with that pick...I also hope Jones elevates his game into the 15 sacks a season range for the next five or six years for us


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