Putting a bow on some topics.

[Mulli]

What was the score when Dez scored? How many catches before that garbage time drive?

 

[unseenaz]

Drew Stanton is not better than Carson Palmer.

Was Kurt Warner not better than Trent Green?
Was Tom Brady not better than Drew Bledsoe?

Drew Stanton is 30.. lets not get crazy

 

[Vermont Maverick]

Two points...

We didn't play Massie much after his rookie year, now he's looking very good. I'll trust the development/continuity approach on Cooper for one more year.

The Eagles just put up 45 with Mark Sanchez. Mark...Sanchez. If given a choice of backup between Sanchez and Stanton... I'd choose Stanton. I refuse to give up home, if Drew can stay upright the rest of the way.

Good points, both of them.

At the end of the day, it is our defense, and to some degree special teams, that we count on. Drew just need to hold the fort.

 

[Goldfield]

1-Drew Stanton is not a better QB than Carson Palmer.




2-Jonathan Cooper is either ...

A. not getting in the lineup because the coaches believe that continuity is more important than talent on the offensive line

Or

B. not more talented than either Ted Larsen or Paul Fanaika.

Either way, Cooper is not getting into the starting lineup unless an injury occurs this year.

Right now Jonathan Cooper has:

B U S _ in the game of word hangman.

He has one more chance, which will more than likely be next year, to prove he is not a HUGE bust. He is currently being beat out by an undrafted free agent, and a journeyman. Same goes for Earl Watford.


3-Patrick Peterson is really, really good. That doesn't mean he doesn't need to improve, but that need to improve doesn't mean he isn't really, really good.

- I hope teams keep throwing it at Patrick Peterson. I hope they are that dumb.

- Peterson is such a huge part of this team it is ridiculous. Can he improve ? Yes. But, can't everyone improve ?

- Evaluating ANY defensive back in this league, this season, is a waste of time. New rules dictate new expectations in my opinion. I read somewhere that a poster thinks the game is setup to try and stop offenses from scoring ? I could not really disagree more with any statement that I have heard in all of 2014. It is quite the opposite. If an NFL team's QB makes the right throw, accurately every time, then his offense will complete every pass, IMO. The defense really doesn't have a chance anymore unless there is a minor slip up, IMHO.


4-John Carlson, Rob Housler, Ted Larsen, Paul Fanaika, and the pass rushers are what they are. You can blame Steve Keim for not having better options on the roster but these guys have already played their best football. Dogging them isn't going to change it, and their aren't many options to improve it at this point. If you are that far down on the depth chart, you just have to overcome it.

- John Carlson: Really ? What is the complaint here ? Guy is without a doubt our best tight end, and the best tight end the Cardinals have had in a long time. He blocks well, catches the ball well (not great), and plays a lot of snaps. Carlson better be in the plans for the future, IMO.

- Rob "The Dude" Housler: gone in the offseason. Bust. Larry Fitzgerald does a better job blocking DE's.

- Ted Larson, Paul Fanaika: If they are so bad why can't Cooper beat them out. They are doing a good job, and unlike in year's past, the Cardinals are paying them practically peanuts to play for them. This is not the travesty that was Daryn College and Adam Snyder. Far from it. Cooper is the biggest problem with the guards, IMO. Larson, and Fanaika hold the situation steady and can be easily replaced. Finally, if you are going to rip in the interior line then don't forget Sendlien, he should not be isolated from the blame when it comes to poor execution on the interior line.

- Pass Rushers: Alex Okafor is a pass rusher. Maybe not an elite pass rusher but he is getting consistent pressure on the QB. Just watch the games, and you will see he is doing a good job in what is essentially his rookie year. There is one guy. Sam Acho, and Lorenzo Alexander should be on their way out next season, IMO. Matt Shaughnessey has never been and is not a pass rusher but plays the run best out of all our linebackers, and most of our defensive ends. Less not we forget John Abraham is on the IR, and will probably retire. Its not like there wasn't a plan. If this team had Abraham, Okafor, and Campbell out on the field as a pass rush, I think this team would be fine from a pass rushing perspective. BTW, I guarantee there are teams that would die to have Alex Okafor, and Calais Campbell as a pass rusher. They are hard to come by.


5-Bruce Arians has been developing gameplans, and calling plays longer than some folks on this board have been alive. His playcalls are solid, he rarely makes mistakes, and a lack of execution is not his fault. He isn't perfect, but no one is. Calling out his playcalling is stupid.

8-1.

Some people will complain about the harp music in heaven.

Awesomeness. .. especially the harp music part.

 

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[Cheesebeef]

I'm curious by what metric people have determined that Peterson is "really, really good" THIS season? is it in passes defended? touchdowns given up? interceptions? it's certainly not indicative from our last ranked pass defense. and it's not like he hasn't been called out by coaches and the GM for his play this season.

does he have the ability to be very, very good? Yes. Has he been this season? I don't think so.

 

[82CardsGrad]

I'm curious by what metric people have determined that Peterson is "really, really good" THIS season? is it in passes defended? touchdowns given up? interceptions? it's certainly not indicative from our last ranked pass defense. and it's not like he hasn't been called out by coaches and the GM for his play this season.

does he have the ability to be very, very good? Yes. Has he been this season? I don't think so.

I think K9 should answer the question "by what metrics"... However, I think we all would agree that PP has the gifts and talent to be in the Top 2 or 3 CB's in the league. However, for reasons I am not entirely sure of and IMHO, his play has not been nearly consistent enough to come close to being considered top 2 or 3.
For a guy who clearly doesn't like to tackle and actually avoids hitting, he would have to dominate in pass defense at a level that surpasses a guy like Sherman. A level that is on par with maybe Deon Sanders...

 

[Chopper0080]

I'm curious by what metric people have determined that Peterson is "really, really good" THIS season? is it in passes defended? touchdowns given up? interceptions? it's certainly not indicative from our last ranked pass defense. and it's not like he hasn't been called out by coaches and the GM for his play this season.

does he have the ability to be very, very good? Yes. Has he been this season? I don't think so.

He is the most athletic CB in the NFL. Without question. He can shut down sides of the field at times. Go through the NFL rosters and tell me how many CBs you would rather have right now. The list is short because Peterson has elite ability. He hasn't put it all together which is why I say he is "really, really good", and not "great" or "top".

 

[sunsfan88]

He is the most athletic CB in the NFL. Without question. He can shut down sides of the field at times. Go through the NFL rosters and tell me how many CBs you would rather have right now. The list is short because Peterson has elite ability. He hasn't put it all together which is why I say he is "really, really good", and not "great" or "top".

So your basing it all of potential not performance? It's like saying Mariota is the best QB in the NFL....because he has the potential to be one.

You can't proclaim someone is "really, really good" without having stats to back it up.

 

[TimTheToolmanTebow]

i can remember any games where peterson has ever been really really good

for a cb with his athletic ability, he should be impacting games like charles woodson did in his prime

 

[Cheesebeef]

He is the most athletic CB in the NFL. Without question. He can shut down sides of the field at times. Go through the NFL rosters and tell me how many CBs you would rather have right now. The list is short because Peterson has elite ability. He hasn't put it all together which is why I say he is "really, really good", and not "great" or "top".

having elite ability and producing elite PERFORMANCE is a big difference. And just because he has ability, still doesn't make him really, really good THIS season, IMO. And he sure as hell doesn't deserve to make the amount of scratch he's making.

my two big problems with Peterson are this... he's making WAYYYYY too much money and he talks A LOT of trash without backing a lot of it up. One hurts the team's ability to make itself better (Larry's got the same issue) and the other is just annoying.

 

[Chopper0080]

having elite ability and producing elite PERFORMANCE is a big difference. And just because he has ability, still doesn't make him really, really good THIS season, IMO. And he sure as hell doesn't deserve to make the amount of scratch he's making.

my two big problems with Peterson are this... he's making WAYYYYY too much money and he talks A LOT of trash without backing a lot of it up. One hurts the team's ability to make itself better (Larry's got the same issue) and the other is just annoying.

Name 10 of the 63 other CBs in the NFL you would take over him...if you want to do so on this thread (http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb...as-patrick-peterson-216434-2.html#post3106515) where we have already started, go ahead.

I get that you hate that he runs his mouth and doesn't always back it up.

I get that you feel he under performs in relation to his contract.

But, even considering those things, he is still one of the 10 best CBs in the NFL, and has the ability to be #1.

 

[Chopper0080]

So your basing it all of potential not performance? It's like saying Mariota is the best QB in the NFL....because he has the potential to be one.

You can't proclaim someone is "really, really good" without having stats to back it up.

Defensive metrics, if you can find them, are very subjective. To put your faith in those is to believe that Chris Harris is better than Revis and Sherman, which isn't true.

Tell you what. I am going to side with the NFL scouts which thought he was a top 10 talent, the GM who signed him to a top CB contract extension, and the league of analysts who believe he is one of the best CBs in the NFL. You side with your booger-eating friends who know less about football than those scouts, GMs, and analysts, and we can just go our seperate ways.

 

[TJ]

i can remember any games where peterson has ever been really really good

for a cb with his athletic ability, he should be impacting games like charles woodson did in his prime

Holding Dez Bryant to 20 yards, Megatron to 50 yards, and two picks against St. Louis (including one returned for a TD) aren't good games?

 

[Ohcrap75]

Its funny how PP takes so much heat everytime he doesn't dominate. If you were to rank every corner and then WR in the league, i bet PP is ranked as good or better than AJ Green. But i don't hear anyone calling AJ overrated every game he doesn't score a TD.

 

[Chopper0080]

Holding Dez Bryant to 20 yards, Megatron to 50 yards, and two picks against St. Louis (including one returned for a TD) aren't good games?

Nope. Apparently not.