Q Spills the beans, JJ should still be here

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http://www.azcentral.com/sports/heatindex/articles/2008/12/14/20081214spt-p2young.html

After all these years, Quentin Richardson is expected to play Monday against the Suns in Phoenix for the first time since he was traded for Kurt Thomas after the 2004-05 season.

You may recall that team started the season 31-4 en route to an NBA-best 62-20 record - despite having the youngest roster in the league.

Almost immediately, the Suns began tinkering with that club, trading Richardson and then sending Joe Johnson to Atlanta in a sign-and-trade.

Some deals made sense at the time. Some didn't.

We wondered if Richardson ever thinks about what might have been had the Suns kept that 2004-05 core together and let it ride.

We only had to ask once:

"The most amazing thing is that most of us are still tight to this day. Every time we go to Atlanta, I go over to Joe's house. When they're in New York, he'll come hang out. In the summer, I'll go to Atlanta. Joe will come to Chicago. We'll see Shawn (Marion) all summer, and we'll hang out with Stat (Amaré Stoudemire). No matter where we are, we always talk about that - 'Why did they have to do what they did?' "

He wasn't done:


• "If you look at it, we were really just a healthy Joe Johnson away from being able to compete with San Antonio. It's unfortunate, but sometimes that's the way the NBA is. They think they have to do this or that to fix something, when the reality is if you give us another one or two or three years with our same core group of guys, we would have won a championship."


• "The most frustrating part about it all, when you've been around the league you know when you have a special group of guys with that blend of talent and the kind of egos that allowed it to work, allowed everybody to be who they were. You don't come across that a lot."


• "You get teams with a lot of talent, but you don't have guys who are willing to sacrifice and are willing to say, 'OK, we'll take the back seat.' Guys who really know what it takes to win."


• "Everybody is making money and having good careers, but at the same time we all realize and acknowledge that we had something pretty good. Even from coach. We had a great coach that everybody got along with. You never get that - all the players on the same page and the coach likes everybody and everybody likes the coach. We had a rare thing, and it was pretty much dismantled in the snap of a finger."


• "The way it unraveled, nobody expected. It would have been different if we weren't getting along or we weren't having success and we had a clue that it was coming. We were ready to go right back at it again, then boom, it just exploded, and it has been one piece after another since then."


• "I mean, dead serious, we still talk about it till this day because we had a great time. We loved the fans, loved being here, and we had a great group that all hung out together. That (62 wins) is the result you get. I definitely, in my heart of hearts, know we would have won it if we had a couple years."


• "I was especially disappointed about Joe. I know who Joe is, and the way they tried to portray how everything came down. . . . I watched the game when he came back here when they were booing him. Anybody who knows how Joe is, they know he won't say anything controversial. He just took it with a grain of salt and played. But anybody that knows him, knows the spin that was put on it, it was never like that."


• "The whole season long, they told him he's the top priority in the off-season. Then he's not the top priority. Then they tell him to go get a new deal. They signed Raja Bell before they got him signed, so if he's the top priority, why are any moves being made before he's taken care of?"


• "Joe was important. He was our backup point guard, too. People forget that, and they're still looking for a backup point guard."


• "They said he was going for the money. Yeah, after you stick it to him once, twice - man, you still think he's coming back here? Joe did not want to leave. But that's the business part. They have to cover their own butts so the fans won't say, 'You ruined our team.' In actuality, they did."
 

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:82: I read the thread title & thought it was about Boldin & Arrington; wondered what it was doing in the Suns Forum, and what the hell Q was talking about.
 

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Wowzers. Methinks he doth protest too much.

The JJ debacle was and is the one move that always felt like something else was up. We've made a handful of dumb moves, but that one had a much different taste to it.
 

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to Q...

If you have a time to meddle in your former team, better spend it to worry about yourself and your team.Mind you own business.
 

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Funny about Q, D'Antoni was the one who traded him, no?
I thought the same thing when reading Q's quote:
We had a great coach that everybody got along with. You never get that - all the players on the same page and the coach likes everybody and everybody likes the coach. We had a rare thing, and it was pretty much dismantled in the snap of a finger.
How far did the Coach have to look for the GM who broke up that team? In the mirror.:)
 

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Go ahead shoot the messenger, but the suns management decided that even though signing JJ was "top priority" they signed a "backup" that then started for years. I wouldnt be suprised if they tried to bully JJ and ruined the negotiation, not suprised at all. And if they did, I would expect them to blame it on JJ being greedy. It is interesting that all those guys still hang out sometimes.
 

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Let's think about this realistically. If the Suns reloaded the same team in 05-06 Amare would still be out with microfracture. Subtract KT and Diaw, and now we are left with Hunter assuming we shell out the big bucks that he got from Philly and TT mid season. We would have had the smallest team ever and absolutely abused on the boards. That's just a big what if game.

Signing Q to the big contract was a mistake, a mistake that BC quickly tried to correct; however the damage was already done with AI and Deng on different teams.
 

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Let's think about this realistically. If the Suns reloaded the same team in 05-06 Amare would still be out with microfracture. Subtract KT and Diaw, and now we are left with Hunter assuming we shell out the big bucks that he got from Philly and TT mid season. We would have had the smallest team ever and absolutely abused on the boards. That's just a big what if game.

Signing Q to the big contract was a mistake, a mistake that BC quickly tried to correct; however the damage was already done with AI and Deng on different teams.

The closest we were to the title was the year we lost to Spurs 2:4 in 2nd round. We might have won it, had DA been willing to sacrifice regular season win numbers and worked on integrating KurtThomas which wouldve slowed down the pace a bit in preparation for playoffs. Kurt was rarely used in regular season and the series win against Lakers, as well as the game 1 loss to Spurs. Starting him got us a slim chance back into the series. Yet, the dumb suspensions and Kurt being exhausted in games 5/6 sealed our fate.

But DA is excellent for regular season success. I'll always give him that.:bang:
 

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:82: I read the thread title & thought it was about Boldin & Arrington; wondered what it was doing in the Suns Forum, and what the hell Q was talking about.

Me too.

But it will probably be appropriate on the Cards board next year, when JJ is in some place like KC or somewhere, ripping off huge runs and we are struggling.
 

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Me too.

But it will probably be appropriate on the Cards board next year, when JJ is in some place like KC or somewhere, ripping off huge runs and we are struggling.
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Go ahead shoot the messenger, but the suns management decided that even though signing JJ was "top priority" they signed a "backup" that then started for years. I wouldnt be suprised if they tried to bully JJ and ruined the negotiation, not suprised at all. And if they did, I would expect them to blame it on JJ being greedy. It is interesting that all those guys still hang out sometimes.

What a bunch of crap Q is spewing.

So, JJ, Amare, Steve, Q, and Shawn along with Mike D are all best buds and it never should have been broken up.

Except for the fact that Amare was the one who asked management to get KT and you don't get a player like that without giving up something (unless your the Suns).

If Mike D wasn't the GM then, he had veto power.

Raja was signed to be a backup. Things were falling through with JJ (who was making rumblings even before the season ended). So what are they going to do? Lose out on other free agents because one unhappy one wasn't signing quickly. JJ was leaving the moment he didn't get the extension, and his agent hates the Suns.

The players seem to want mgmt to do the impossible. If the Suns did everything the players on that team wanted, we would have the smallest team in the league and be in a NY Knicks style salary cap hell for decades to come. And THAT team was never going to win a championship. The 06-07 team was the one with the best chance to win it all.

I am really tired of this drivel. I wish these players would just shut up and play the game. It actually makes Shaq's comments refreshing. His comments about PJ fomenting conflict in order to keep players interested was not only probably true, but a backhanded compliment of his former coach.
 

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Me too.

But it will probably be appropriate on the Cards board next year, when JJ is in some place like KC or somewhere, ripping off huge runs and we are struggling.

I could care less about the Cardinals strugggggelling.
 

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What a bunch of crap Q is spewing.

So, JJ, Amare, Steve, Q, and Shawn along with Mike D are all best buds and it never should have been broken up.

Except for the fact that Amare was the one who asked management to get KT and you don't get a player like that without giving up something (unless your the Suns).

If Mike D wasn't the GM then, he had veto power.

Raja was signed to be a backup. Things were falling through with JJ (who was making rumblings even before the season ended). So what are they going to do? Lose out on other free agents because one unhappy one wasn't signing quickly. JJ was leaving the moment he didn't get the extension, and his agent hates the Suns.

The players seem to want mgmt to do the impossible. If the Suns did everything the players on that team wanted, we would have the smallest team in the league and be in a NY Knicks style salary cap hell for decades to come. And THAT team was never going to win a championship. The 06-07 team was the one with the best chance to win it all.

I am really tired of this drivel. I wish these players would just shut up and play the game. It actually makes Shaq's comments refreshing. His comments about PJ fomenting conflict in order to keep players interested was not only probably true, but a backhanded compliment of his former coach.

The 06-07 team had the best chance because the, "Joe Johnson still on the Suns" team never existed. Had it existed it would've been better than the "1D Raja Bell refusing to pass to Amare because the 05-06 teams was so awesome it almost lost to the Clippers in the playoffs" team. Q is right that they screwed up the Joe Johnson situation. He is wrong about himself, trading him was a good idea.
 

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The 06-07 team had the best chance because the, "Joe Johnson still on the Suns" team never existed. Had it existed it would've been better than the "1D Raja Bell refusing to pass to Amare because the 05-06 teams was so awesome it almost lost to the Clippers in the playoffs" team. Q is right that they screwed up the Joe Johnson situation. He is wrong about himself, trading him was a good idea.

agreed. Q wouldn't have done us much good missing huge clumps of games those next three years.

right about Joe, Q. wrong about U.
 
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