QB Draft Options

[Harry]

I don't wanted to start a feeding frenzy, but this will be a great year for getting a QBOTF if the Cards so choose. Kiper, for example, has 2 QBs in his top 5 that aren't from Big 5 conferences. They don't include Josh Allen, who's not in my top 5 either. I'm not sure the Cards aren't thinking seriously of Gabbert. BA is seeing Gabbert every week and should have a good read on him by season's end. He's certainly an interesting option. He has the physical skills if they can fine tune the mental makeup. BTW nothing would stop them from keeping Gabbert and adding a draft pick. There will be good options beyond round 1. Before you ask, I have Palmer clone Mayfield on top of my list.

 

[oaken1]

I don't wanted to start a feeding frenzy, but this will be a great year for getting a QBOTF if the Cards so choose. Kiper, for example, has 2 QBs in his top 5 that aren't from Big 5 conferences. They don't include Josh Allen, who's not in my top 5 either. I'm not sure the Cards aren't thinking seriously of Gabbert. BA is seeing Gabbert every week and should have a good read on him by season's end. He's certainly an interesting option. He has the physical skills if they can fine tune the mental makeup. BTW nothing would stop them from keeping Gabbert and adding a draft pick. There will be good options beyond round 1. Before you ask, I have Palmer clone Mayfield on top of my list.

My guess is Gabbert will start for us next year with our new coaches personal rookie choice waiting in the wings.

 

[Veer]

Our record won't be bad enough to get a QB like Rosen or Darnold. But we absolutely need a young franchise QB. Gabbert is nothing more than a backup QB, similar to Stanton but younger. We need a true franchise QB. I thought this year we were in a perfect spot and prime situation to trade up a few spots, without giving up a king's ransom, and get either Mahomes or Watson. So next year we will actually have to pay a king's ransom that could've been avoided this year, no matter how great Reddick and Baker turn out to be. Going nowhere without a young franchise QB these days.

 

[oaken1]

Our record won't be bad enough to get a QB like Rosen or Darnold. But we absolutely need a young franchise QB. Gabbert is nothing more than a backup QB, similar to Stanton but younger. We need a true franchise QB. I thought this year we were in a perfect spot and prime situation to trade up a few spots, without giving up a king's ransom, and get either Mahomes or Watson. So next year we will actually have to pay a king's ransom that could've been avoided this year, no matter how great Reddick and Baker turn out to be. Going nowhere without a young franchise QB these days.

we have draft capital...we can make that trade if need be.

 

[football karma]

Love Baker Mayfield

 

[Buckybird]

Love Baker Mayfield

I've been pimping him since midway thru last year!

 

[Buckybird]

I don't wanted to start a feeding frenzy, but this will be a great year for getting a QBOTF if the Cards so choose. Kiper, for example, has 2 QBs in his top 5 that aren't from Big 5 conferences. They don't include Josh Allen, who's not in my top 5 either. I'm not sure the Cards aren't thinking seriously of Gabbert. BA is seeing Gabbert every week and should have a good read on him by season's end. He's certainly an interesting option. He has the physical skills if they can fine tune the mental makeup. BTW nothing would stop them from keeping Gabbert and adding a draft pick. There will be good options beyond round 1. Before you ask, I have Palmer clone Mayfield on top of my list.

Good points Harry, let's just hope the Cards aren't pinning hopes on Gabbert! Honestly, I'm thinking if BA retires the Gabbert semi luv will die. I still says he's an average QB at best.

I luv Mayfield but he's a clone of Russell Wilson instead of Palmer IMO. Do you think Keim would be interested in Mayfield more or less if BA is gone or if he stays?

 

[Stout]

It will be CRIMINAL if we don't finally do it this year. There is no excuse--NONE. If we trot Gabbert out there next year, I'll puke.

 

[pmacLean]

hilarious... the fact is, nobody (probably not even Gabbert) knows what Gabbert is when he has a decent coach in a stable system ... "gabbert's a back-up" ... blah blah blah ... until the above happens, no one will actually know ...

 

[overseascardfan]

Good points Harry, let's just hope the Cards aren't pinning hopes on Gabbert! Honestly, I'm thinking if BA retires the Gabbert semi luv will die. I still says he's an average QB at best.

I luv Mayfield but he's a clone of Russell Wilson instead of Palmer IMO. Do you think Keim would be interested in Mayfield more or less if BA is gone or if he stays?

I liken Mayfield to a Drew Brees, I don't think he has Wilson's elusiveness but his accuracy has gotten better every year and he has been in some big games with OU and lit up OSU so far this year.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Mayfield is much more Favre than Palmer.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I'm not a Mayfield fan at all. Great college QB but doesn't have NFL size/strength/arm talent. For every Russell Wilson, there are about 100 Troy Smith's and those are comps for Mayfield.

 

[juza76]

i dont know anything about washington state qb falk, but i read his stats
13 interceptions in 4 seasons
105 td pass about 70% of completed pass
how is he graded so far?

 

[juza76]

arians should be taken out from cardinals room if they want to draft a qb
better asking warner to make some studies

 

[Mitch]

i dont know anything about washington state qb falk, but i read his stats
13 interceptions in 4 seasons
105 td pass about 70% of completted pass
how is he graded so far?

Watched Luke Falk last night and he was very efficient. Lanky, compact delivery and well composed. Lots of short to intermediate passes. WSU relies heavily on RACs. Not sure about deep throw ability.

Sam Darnold takes more chances downfield. Played in spurts last night. Came up big on the tying drive with clutch 4th down pass into tight window. Then hit a strike downfield to get the ball to one yard line. His TD run was nifty, nice little outside-in cut. But then on the last possession he got blitzed up the middle and fumbled. All in all, his reviews last night will be mixed...but not the kind of reviews one would expect for a Heisman candidate and top QB prospect.

 

[juza76]

Watched Luke Falk last night and he was very efficient. Lanky, compact delivery and well composed. Lots of short to intermediate passes. WSU relies heavily on RACs. Not sure about deep throw ability.

Sam Darnold takes more chances downfield. Played in spurts last night. Came up big on the tying drive with clutch 4th down pass into tight window. Then hit a strike downfield to get the ball to one yard line. His TD run was nifty, nice little outside-in cut. But then on the last possession he got blitzed up the middle and fumbled. All in all, his reviews last night will be mixed...but not the kind of reviews one would expect for a Heisman candidate and top QB prospect.

mitch can u post your favourite qbs so far, and do u think arians should play an important part on drafting our future qb?
isnt his idea of qb obsolete
accuracy should be the key, extending plays even with feet when u need to, able to move from the pocket and make throws running
playing great in clutch moments and being a step up kind of guy in the locker room.
size and strenght arm should be behind all these aspects

 

[Metcalf Rules]

Watched Luke Falk last night and he was very efficient. Lanky, compact delivery and well composed. Lots of short to intermediate passes. WSU relies heavily on RACs. Not sure about deep throw ability.

Sam Darnold takes more chances downfield. Played in spurts last night. Came up big on the tying drive with clutch 4th down pass into tight window. Then hit a strike downfield to get the ball to one yard line. His TD run was nifty, nice little outside-in cut. But then on the last possession he got blitzed up the middle and fumbled. All in all, his reviews last night will be mixed...but not the kind of reviews one would expect for a Heisman candidate and top QB prospect.

I have been thinking the same about Falk. I watched his first game of the season against Montana State, as I'm from Montana, go Cats! But even against a smaller school, I don't think any of his passes were over 10 yards. I don't know if he has the big arm Arians covets, but he did beat USC on the big stage so that may count formething.

 

[Mitch]

mitch can u post your favourite qbs so far, and do u think arians should play an important part on drafting our future qb?
isnt his idea of qb obsolete
accuracy should be the key, extending plays even with feet when u need to, able to move from the pocket and make throws running
playing great in clutch moments and being a step up kind of guy in the locker room.
size and strenght arm should be behind all these aspects

I have to do more film study, but as of right now here are the QBs I am very intrigued with:

1. Lamar Jackson, Louisville. A right-handed Mike Vick. Lightning in a bottle. Raw, but highly skilled. Wouldn't be a fit for BA's system, but if my hunch is correct and SK already knows this is BA's last year, then the new HC needs to be fully on board with the QB the Cardinals draft.

2. Sam Darnold, USC. He's the kind of QB who gets stronger as the season progresses. Has the arm, strength and competitiveness to be very good. Exceptional release point. One of the best in years.

3. Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma. I like fiery, sparkplug QBs like Drew Brees and Kirk Cousins and I think Mayfield is a quick-footed cross between those two.

4. Trace McSorley, Penn St. While I think he'd be better off playing another year at Penn St., he has the "it" factor. Tough nosed, resilient, often at his best when the game is on the line. Like Mayfield, he's a smaller QB, but, like Mayfield, he leaves everything he has out on the field. Plus, McSorley throws an excellent deep ball with air, timing, touch and accuracy.

QBs I need to see more of but thus far have my doubts:

1. Josh Rosen, UCLA. Doesn't strike me as a leader. Has the skills, but something's missing. Need to see more of him.
2. Mason Rudolph, Oklahoma St. Very efficient, but strikes me as a system QB. Not sure how his game translates to the NFL.
3. Josh Allen, Wyoming. Was hoping he'd play like Carson Wentz, but thus far this year, not close.
4. Luke Falk, WSU. Need to see whether he can throw accurately from 25-55 yards. Wonder about his ability to hold up in the pocket.

 

[DVontel]

I have to do more film study, but as of right now here are the QBs I am very intrigued with:

1. Lamar Jackson, Louisville. A right-handed Mike Vick. Lightning in a bottle. Raw, but highly skilled. Wouldn't be a fit for BA's system, but if my hunch is correct and SK already knows this is BA's last year, then the new HC needs to be fully on board with the QB the Cardinals draft.

2. Sam Darnold, USC. He's the kind of QB who gets stronger as the season progresses. Has the arm, strength and competitiveness to be very good. Exceptional release point. One of the best in years.

3. Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma. I like fiery, sparkplug QBs like Drew Brees and Kirk Cousins and I think Mayfield is a quick-footed cross between those two.

4. Trace McSorley, Penn St. While I think he'd be better off playing another year at Penn St., he has the "it" factor. Tough nosed, resilient, often at his best when the game is on the line. Like Mayfield, he's a smaller QB, but, like Mayfield, he leaves everything he has out on the field. Plus, McSorley throws an excellent deep ball with air, timing, touch and accuracy.

QBs I need to see more of but thus far have my doubts:

1. Josh Rosen, UCLA. Doesn't strike me as a leader. Has the skills, but something's missing. Need to see more of him.
2. Mason Rudolph, Oklahoma St. Very efficient, but strikes me as a system QB. Not sure how his game translates to the NFL.
3. Josh Allen, Wyoming. Was hoping he'd play like Carson Wentz, but thus far this year, not close.
4. Luke Falk, WSU. Need to see whether he can throw accurately from 25-55 yards. Wonder about his ability to hold up in the pocket.

Lamar is a better passer than Vick was in college, too. He has gotten so good at scanning the field this year. I don’t think he’s all that raw, imo.

 

[AZCrazy]

Start also thinking about the teams that suck out loud this year that need QB's ahead of us. In the NFC,

Giants - set w/ Manning for a while
Cowboys - set
Redskins - set
Eagles - set
Packers - set
Lions - set
Bears - set (or at least they went all in last year)
Vikings - set enough for the moment
Falcons - set
Saints - set until Brees retires
Buccaneers - set
Panthers -set
Seahawks - set
Rams - set
49ers - these are the guys who will take a QB at the top

In the AFC,

Miami - relatively set, but will win more than us this year anyway
Jets - definitely need a QB at the top
Patriots - set
Bills - relatively set, will also win more than us
Colts - set
Titans - set
Jaguars - may want to move on from Bortles, but will win a lot as well this year
Texans - seem set w/ Watson
Browns - took Kizer, set for a year or two
Bengals - set
Steelers - set
Ravens - set
Chiefs - set
Broncos - set
Raiders - set
Chargers - set

Only the 49ers and Jets are in dire straits w/ their quarterbacks, and will likely finish worse than us this year.
So our options are to not act stupid and go 7-9, pick 13th, and lose out on all of them, or to trade away the farm and take your chances on the guy you like costing you 5 top draft picks, or try to pry loose someone you like on another team's bench, like Paxton Lynch, Jimmy G, Teddy Bridgewater, or some such. Have to be careful not to have a parade of teams trading in front of us. Either lose big, or be the ones to trade.

Definitely don't make a judgement based on anything Arians has to say about it. The new QB will outlast him by a lot.

We should spend the entire offseason rebuilding the entire offense. The D's fine as long as they don't have to defend short fields the whole game. If we keep punting out of our end zone, no one is going to hold up very long.

 

[daves]

Start also thinking about the teams that suck out loud this year that need QB's ahead of us. In the NFC,

Giants - set w/ Manning for a while
Redskins - set
Saints - set until Brees retires
49ers - these are the guys who will take a QB at the top

In the AFC,

Jets - definitely need a QB at the top
Bills - relatively set, will also win more than us
Bengals - set
Steelers - set
Chargers - set

I could easily see ANY of the above teams taking a QB high in the draft.

Giants - they could wait another year or two, but could easily pull a Chiefs move and prepare for the future now. And at 0-3 now, they could easily finish below the Cardinals.

If the 49ers sign Cousins, as is heavily rumored, remove them from the above list but add the Redskins. The Redskins might finish ahead of the Cardinals, but there's a long way to go so who knows. Either way, a possible swap of the 49ers for the Redskins on this list would be helpful for the Cardinals. Though if the 49ers get Cousins, they could be candidates to trade back in the draft with a QB-needy team, and they'd be less inclined to trade back to help the Cardinals get a QB.

Saints - they have GOT to be about ready to find their QB of the future.

Bills - they don't seem satisfied with Taylor, and they drafted Peterman but not until round 5, so there is a chance that they would be in the market again.

Bengals - wow, if they continue to lose, could they move on from Dalton? They would have little dead money and a big cap savings if they did it after this year. Dalton was horrible in the first two games, but played well in game 3. McCarron is a free agent after this year. I wonder if we'll see them give McCarron a shot at starting at some point? This situation bears watching.

Steelers - they have GOT to be about ready to find their QB of the future.

Chargers - they may be ready to find their QB of the future, and to try to make a fresh start in L.A. They very well could wait another year or two, though.

...dave

 

[Shaggy]

Gabbert is nothing more than a backup QB, similar to Stanton but younger.

Im quoting this as I want to come back to this next year when Gabbert is an awesome starter or a clear backup. I have a feeling he will be a great starter.... Just watch.

 

[Buckybird]

Im quoting this as I want to come back to this next year when Gabbert is an awesome starter or a clear backup. I have a feeling he will be a great starter.... Just watch.

 

[Harry]

i dont know anything about washington state qb falk, but i read his stats
13 interceptions in 4 seasons
105 td pass about 70% of completed pass
how is he graded so far?

He's in the bottom half of virtually everyone's top 10. He's a good game manager and shows a great deal of poise for a college QB. As Mitch mentions there's concern about his accuracy on deeper throws. I'm not sure he can run BA's offense, but he'll get a chance to run somebody's.

 

[AZCrazy]

I'd take him in a minute, with a new offensive system and line.