QB Tiers Article?

[kerouac9]

Who wants to share where Kyler landed on Sando's annual list?

Athletic subscribers?

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Tier 1 - Rodgers/Mahomes/Brady/Allen/Herbert/Burrow
Tier 2- Stafford/Wilson/Watson/Lamar/Dak/Carr?/Kyler/Matt Ryan
Tier 3 - Cousins ->Hell

Nothing too earth shattering. Mixed comments on Kyler:Murray’s average improved for a second successive year, but the pace of improvement slowed as voters questioned the quarterback’s durability, consistency and leadership.

Also - the Athletic is pretty good content for $20 per year. (That's what I'm paying)

 

[jf-08]

Tier 1 - Rodgers/Mahomes/Brady/Allen/Herbert/Burrow
Tier 2- Stafford/Wilson/Watson/Lamar/Dak/Carr?/Kyler/Matt Ryan
Tier 3 - Cousins ->Hell

Nothing too earth shattering. Mixed comments on Kyler:Murray’s average improved for a second successive year, but the pace of improvement slowed as voters questioned the quarterback’s durability, consistency and leadership.

Also - the Athletic is pretty good content for $20 per year. (That's what I'm paying)

I have a subscription to the NYT and the Athletic is free because of it as well.

 

[kerouac9]

Sando is on with Ryen Russilo this week walking through the list:

NFL QB Tiers With Mike Sando, and Do the Celtics Really Need Kevin Durant?

Plus, answering listener-submitted Life Advice questions

www.theringer.com

Kyler talk is at 36:40.

 

[jbjarko]

I have a subscription to the NYT and the Athletic is free because of it as well.

I didn't know this, thank you!

 

[Krangodnzr]

Tier 1 - Rodgers/Mahomes/Brady/Allen/Herbert/Burrow
Tier 2- Stafford/Wilson/Watson/Lamar/Dak/Carr?/Kyler/Matt Ryan
Tier 3 - Cousins ->Hell

Nothing too earth shattering. Mixed comments on Kyler:Murray’s average improved for a second successive year, but the pace of improvement slowed as voters questioned the quarterback’s durability, consistency and leadership.

Also - the Athletic is pretty good content for $20 per year. (That's what I'm paying)

I won't pay for the athletic because they don't have a Cardinals correspondent. Pretty crappy if you ask me.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I won't pay for the athletic because they don't have a Cardinals correspondent. Pretty crappy if you ask me.

Still worth $1.60 or so per month! (AZ sports get the red headed step child treatment all over the Athletic)

 

[gimpy]

Krang, where have you been? I haven’t read anything from you in a day or two.

 

[cardpa]

I have a subscription to the NYT and the Athletic is free because of it as well.

Is your NYT subscription on line and if so how do you get the Athletic with it. I have an online subscription and would certainly like to add the Athletic to it for free.

 

[jf-08]

Is your NYT subscription on line and if so how do you get the Athletic with it. I have an online subscription and would certainly like to add the Athletic to it for free.

I got an email a month or so ago to let me know that the subscriptions were included together. I do have an online subscription for NYT. I just simply use my same login and password on the site on the Athletic and I was able to open it up and have access.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I won't pay for the athletic because they don't have a Cardinals correspondent. Pretty crappy if you ask me.

Or a freaking Sun's correspondent. They had Scott Bordow who was excellent pre pandemic

 

[Chris_Sanders]

No exaggerating the Sun's content on the Suns board is better than any national site

 

[daves]

Who wants to share where Kyler landed on Sando's annual list?

Athletic subscribers?

Excerpts from https://theathletic.com/3443022/2022/07/25/nfl-best-quarterbacks-tiers:

TIER 1​

1. Aaron Rodgers​

2. Patrick Mahomes​

3. Tom Brady​

4. Josh Allen​

5. Justin Herbert​

6. Joe Burrow​

TIER 2​

7. Matthew Stafford​

8. Russell Wilson​

9. Deshaun Watson​

10. Lamar Jackson​

11. Dak Prescott​

12. Derek Carr​

13. Kyler Murray​

Murray’s average improved for a second successive year, but the pace of improvement slowed as voters questioned the quarterback’s durability, consistency and leadership.

“I thought about giving him a 3 because the meltdown (against the Rams in the playoffs) was a meltdown, but by the same token, he is talented, he is athletic, he runs around, he extends the down, makes plays with his feet,” an evaluator said. “It is difficult because he is not a big-bodied guy, and that shows up at times. I think he is a wide receiver mentality playing quarterback. … Things have to be a certain type of way for him to have success. Being more of a loner or introvert at that position is tough.”

Does any quarterback possess a more exciting highlight tape than Murray? A few might, but not many.

“The game he played against Dallas (in Week 17) was about as well as I have seen him play — he played his ass off,” one voter said. “He made a lot of contested throws. I thought he managed the game. But the thing you see when you watch all the games is, you see a lot of cadence issues, you just see a lot of sloppiness. Then he’ll take off on five plays and potentially change the game. He just makes a lot of mistakes, and it costs them.”

Murray’s completion rate, yards per attempt, passer rating and EPA per pass play have increased every year he’s been in the league. His production has been much better in September and October than in the second halves of seasons. Seven of his eight fourth-quarter comebacks and game-winning drives fell in the first nine games of seasons, according to Pro Football Reference.

“He’s a really streaky player,” a head coach said. “I don’t see the consistency of excellence at the position. When he cannot run, I haven’t seen him play well enough from the pocket to win. And then I don’t think he possesses the decision making or the ability to just control a game with his mind. But he’s an excellent player — a dangerous player is a better way to describe him. He’s dangerous when you are unsound, meaning you have bad matchups and he can just hit you on an isolation. But when he truly has to read it out, when there’s not air for him to take advantage of in the run game and then just his running threat, he’s inconsistent with it.”

14. Matt Ryan​

TIER 3​

15. Kirk Cousins​

16. Jimmy Garoppolo​

17. Ryan Tannehill​

18. Mac Jones​

19. Baker Mayfield​

T-20. Jalen Hurts​

T-20. Carson Wentz​

22. Jared Goff​

23. Trevor Lawrence​

24. Jameis Winston​

TIER 4​

Everyone else

...dave

 

[BullheadCardFan]

@daves

Good read, thanks for posting that

 

[football karma]

"He’s dangerous when you are unsound, meaning you have bad matchups and he can just hit you on an isolation. But when he truly has to read it out, when there’s not air for him to take advantage of in the run game and then just his running threat, he’s inconsistent with it.”

this captures the essence of Kyler. His talent alone gets him into tier 2 -- and its obvious Kliff, etc know the bolded part and know that if they can get him up the curve on the mental side, the sky is the limit

the next few years will be interesting: will it be potential fulfilled, or, will it be a Stafford/Lions like experience where the numbers are there, but playoff runs arent

btw: the other way you solve for this is to get an offensive line that really holds up in pass pro -- and you let Kyler stand back there and find guys that will inevitably come open

 

[football karma]

BTW-- look at the conferences where the QBs are:

in the NFC, the only ones in 1 or 2 below 34 are Dak and Kyler.