QBOTF = Good not Great

[daves]

The chiefs look ready to move on from Alex Smith next season. This fits the "good not great" mantra.

I was thinking the same. He'll be 33 and the Chiefs will save $17M against the cap by cutting him after this year. He's had passer ratings in the 90-100 range for six years in a row. Not exciting, but could be a good fit.

...dave

 

[daves]

Another QB that doesn't fit BA mold.... he wants a QB that will push it downfield and that's NOT ALEX SMIITH at all...

True, but he has averaged 7.2 y/a with KC with no decent receivers during much of that time, while Palmer has averaged 7.5 y/a with Arizona. And that's with 2015 (9.1 y/a) being a huge outlier.

...dave

 

[MadCardDisease]

To me that means if the Cards can't draft what they want (I wouldn't panic and make a huge trade to move up next year), they can fill the position via trade or free agency. Of course there's the issue if BA can play with that mentality. I think he showed he can in several games last season. The Cards, IMO, need one more top possession receiver when Fitz leaves. Again that type of free agent seems always available. Then they will have the most balanced offense in the NFC. I'd love to see a great QB, but this team has the basis of success with what they have in place.

Wouldn't Jaron Brown and the new kid Chad Williams be considered possession receivers?

Losing Jaron Brown last year was a major blow to the offense. He always seemed to make the clutch 3rd down catches to extend drives. Not having him last season forced the Cardinals to rely on the unreliable Michael Floyd. We all know how that worked out. I lost count how many times Floyd had drops on 3rd down to kill drives.

 

[Solar7]

I've been extremely negative about the QB situation, but the more I think about what our chances are of getting a QB of the future, the more I tend to agree with Mitch and just say "don't."

Go into next year, re-sign Stanton to a one-year deal, sign a Bridgewater, McCarron, or Smith on the relatively cheap to a 2 year deal, and draft a rookie in the 2nd round. Give them all a chance to compete to be the starter, and whoever is the safest with the ball, gets the job. Run DJ into the ground, and spend the rest of your cap money getting the most elite #2 CB and DL that you can. Basically cross your fingers and hope we can somehow be the 2000 Ravens or 2015 Broncos.

We can keep churning that QB room until we finally draft a guy that's decent. But don't mortgage the future.

 

[Solar7]

AJ McCarron or Baker Mayfield, problem solved!!!

I still ain't convinced Bellichick is gonna keep Jimmy G either.

You've already seen my comments in the other thread, but come on. We literally have a same-case scenario from the same coach and team where they franchised a quarterback that was hitting the market. They're probably not keeping him barring a disaster with Brady, but it is a certainty they're going to franchise him and make some team pay out the ass for his services.

 

[Harry]

Wouldn't Jaron Brown and the new kid Chad Williams be considered possession receivers?

Losing Jaron Brown last year was a major blow to the offense. He always seemed to make the clutch 3rd down catches to extend drives. Not having him last season forced the Cardinals to rely on the unreliable Michael Floyd. We all know how that worked out. I lost count how many times Floyd had drops on 3rd down to kill drives.

In a sense I guess any WR could be a possession receiver, but usually the term is reserved for receivers who are not deep threats unless you count YAC. Boldin would fit that category for me. When Fitz moved into the slot he became a possession receiver IMO. The new guy Williams runs a 4.4 and BA seemed to indicate he's a deep threat. Jaron Brown would certainly fit that description, but possession receivers often go over the middle. That's one of the reasons Fitz is so amazing; rarely injured. When he leaves Jaron can't fill the need by himself.

 

[cardncubfan]

I've been extremely negative about the QB situation, but the more I think about what our chances are of getting a QB of the future, the more I tend to agree with Mitch and just say "don't."

Go into next year, re-sign Stanton to a one-year deal, sign a Bridgewater, McCarron, or Smith on the relatively cheap to a 2 year deal, and draft a rookie in the 2nd round. Give them all a chance to compete to be the starter, and whoever is the safest with the ball, gets the job. Run DJ into the ground, and spend the rest of your cap money getting the most elite #2 CB and DL that you can. Basically cross your fingers and hope we can somehow be the 2000 Ravens or 2015 Broncos.

We can keep churning that QB room until we finally draft a guy that's decent. But don't mortgage the future.

What makes you think Palmer won't be here next year? The only way he retires is if we win it all.

 

[Solar7]

What makes you think Palmer won't be here next year? The only way he retires is if we win it all.

He spent a month mulling retirement, as did his top receiver? He's going to be 39 in the 2018 season. That he's still productive at his age right now is still a pretty big risk to take.

There's an extremely solid chance he retires at the end of the season unless we have another 2015 year and look like we're one step away. All of the signs point to it.

 

[AZCrazy]

Starting to think BA is the problem if we can't find a quarterback anywhere that suits his idiosyncrasies.

 

[Buckybird]

don't think the team is willing to wait that long

You know what year this is right?

 

[Buckybird]

You've already seen my comments in the other thread, but come on. We literally have a same-case scenario from the same coach and team where they franchised a quarterback that was hitting the market. They're probably not keeping him barring a disaster with Brady, but it is a certainty they're going to franchise him and make some team pay out the ass for his services.

Id give up a 1st & 3rd for him

 

[Krangodnzr]

Leadership, accuracy, and he throws the deep ball just fine.

Never understood that reputation, saying he cannot throw the ball deep. Gotta have receivers and an offensive line to do so. Has had neither in Minnesota.

Huge fan, of the whole package.

If you are not, well, that is your opinion.

Teddy Bridgewater is the model of QB mediocrity. There is literally nothing he does above average.

 

[oaken1]

You know what year this is right?

not exactly...but I am fairly certain 2108 is quite some time off yet

 

[Garthshort]

Harry started this thread by asking (among other things) if BA can change his ways. And I don't think he can or will have to. And while I hope he can stay forever, his age and health tells me that he'll coach for one or maybe two more years. I wish it wasn't so, but that's the way I see it.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I don't think it's a lock Palmer will retire at the end of the year. People always cite age, and that's legit, but QB's are playing much longer these days because they don't, because of all the rules, take anywhere the hits and pounding they used to.

I still think it would be a good move to bring Cutler in as the backup and give him a year in the system and take over if CP does retire.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Starting to think BA is the problem if we can't find a quarterback anywhere that suits his idiosyncrasies.

Not really idiosyncrasies.

It's not like he's looking for a red headed Native American who wears size 18 shoes. He's looking for a big strong QB who can throw the deep ball.

 

[BigRedRage]

Starting to think BA is the problem if we can't find a quarterback anywhere that suits his idiosyncrasies.

lol

 

[MadCardDisease]

In a sense I guess any WR could be a possession receiver, but usually the term is reserved for receivers who are not deep threats unless you count YAC. Boldin would fit that category for me. When Fitz moved into the slot he became a possession receiver IMO. The new guy Williams runs a 4.4 and BA seemed to indicate he's a deep threat. Jaron Brown would certainly fit that description, but possession receivers often go over the middle. That's one of the reasons Fitz is so amazing; rarely injured. When he leaves Jaron can't fill the need by himself.

I haven't seen much film on Chad Williams other than the Senior Bowl stuff. However what I saw of him at the Senior Bowl kind of reminded me of Boldin only a bit quicker. I'd be surprised if BA intends to use him as a deep threat. To me he is a physical WR who like Boldin plays bigger than he actually is. He is faster than Boldin but he doesn't appear to have that elite speed to take the top off a defense like JJ Nelson and John Brown.

 

[juza76]

I haven't seen much film on Chad Williams other than the Senior Bowl stuff. However what I saw of him at the Senior Bowl kind of reminded me of Boldin only a bit quicker. I'd be surprised if BA intends to use him as a deep threat. To me he is a physical WR who like Boldin plays bigger than he actually is. He is faster than Boldin but he doesn't appear to have that elite speed to take the top off a defense like JJ Nelson and John Brown.

An amari cooper type of player

 

[Sunburn]

An amari cooper type of player

No where near the route runner Cooper is.

 

[oaken1]

I agree with your premise Harry... building the running game and the defense puts us in a position to win like Baltimore did,..or like Tampa did.
however, while that would be fantastic if we could win it all with a mediocre journeyman QB...I would still prefer if we build solid then drop in a young superstar QB. we are due, and it would be nice to see a genuine football dynasty in the desert.

 

[Harry]

I haven't seen much film on Chad Williams other than the Senior Bowl stuff. However what I saw of him at the Senior Bowl kind of reminded me of Boldin only a bit quicker. I'd be surprised if BA intends to use him as a deep threat. To me he is a physical WR who like Boldin plays bigger than he actually is. He is faster than Boldin but he doesn't appear to have that elite speed to take the top off a defense like JJ Nelson and John Brown.

Williams ran 4.37, Boldin ran 4.71

 

[Jetstream Green]

Williams ran 4.37, Boldin ran 4.71

If Chad can put that 4.37 to football speed, we could have a gem or a solid number two at the very least

 

[Yuma]

http://arizonasports.com/story/1107...t-cardinals-pick-louisville-qb-lamar-jackson/

See, I told you guys we would get a QB next draft!

 

[Sunburn]

Williams ran 4.37, Boldin ran 4.71

Williams has way more speed. Boldin has way better hands and instincts.