Quan Contract demands?

[Crazy Canuck]

Understood. My point was while I agree Ward was highly underpaid, HE sought out and got an extension after his 3rd year based on the numbers he'd put up. He was the 28th highest paid Wr after that extension went through, with a career best of just over 60 receptions. had he known then he was about to blow up he'd have demanded a lot more money. But he didn't, his agent didn't, and Pittsburgh didn't so he took what was perceived to be a really good deal.

Quan isn't negotiating his first extension or new deal off that. His worst year, incomplete, was almost as good as Ward's best of his first 3 years, at this stage of his career he's a much better player than Ward was so he's asking for a much better deal than 28th best WR contract.


I don't know what a fair contract is, but saying he shouldn't get as much as a guy who's played that much longer is completely backwards to how the NFL works.

The cards have consistently compared him to Ward, so it's hard for them to now say but he's not as good as him so he can't ask for that much?

Very well said..

 

[john h]

Do you even watch the Steelers? Do you have any idea what Hines Ward means to that franchise? If you did, you'd know that you're being stupid to say that Boldin is a better player than Ward is.

Ward's gone over 1000 yards receiving the past four seasons. In 2003 Ward caught an insane 112 passes (from Kordell Stewart, no less) and 12 TDs. Ward's scored 26 TDs in the last three seasons and has two seasons of double-digit TDs. In the seven years that he's been in the league, he's failed to score less than four TDs once--his rookie year. And the most important thing: Hines Ward has yet to miss a single game due to injury.

Anquan Boldin's done none of these things. He scored one TD last year. One. His yards per catch dropped by two and a half yards, and he's had two knee surgeries in the past three years. One guy hasn't ever held out of camp, despite playing well below his contract for years and years, and the other signed an agent known for holding players out for unreasonable demands.

Get off 81's jock and look at the facts: Hines Ward was Anquan Boldin before Anquan was.

It is much to eary in his carreer to discuss Boldin in terms of Ward. Ward's team goes to the playoffs and fills up the stadium. He plays all games and has proven himself over time.

 

[seesred]

Maybe we should try to trade Boldin for Ward? Just kidding. Those two have very different circumstances. I honor Ward's accomplishments and I'm in fan heaven when Q lines up, because every time he did things happen even with bad QB's.

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WArds or Q
Q or Ward Where is TO when you need him?

 

[conraddobler]

Only the Cardinals under Mac could have fielded a team that featured a Rookie as their only offensive weapon, thus creating the better part of our current Boldin monster.

I think Q is great but had he been drafted by most teams he'd have seen spot duty at best if he was lucky his first year.

He most certainly not been able to put up those stats for any average NFL team because he would have had at least some competition for the ball. Here he was paired with another rookie WR from Penn State of all things. The most notorious slow starting WR factory ever.

We had an atrocious line and no run game so presto you get huge helpings of Boldin.

Couple that with his style of play that makes him hard to cover because he is so physical and him not having bad knees and you got about the best season you are ever going to get out of him.

What you have to ask yourself is this.

Was that just a hint of what he can do? or his peak year?

I would say it was closer to his peak and that basing an entire contract on that with his bad knees leaves you with something like what the Cardinals offered if they in fact did offer the 15 mil bonus spread out at 5 a year to guard against injury.

The NFL has too many teams that wouldn't worry like we would about the risk and just sign him.

That's what brings me to my final point.

He's worth more to some other team than us and I believe he's going to be traded and he may even really want that. I'd say it's going to work.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Only the Cardinals under Mac could have fielded a team that featured a Rookie as their only offensive weapon, thus creating the better part of our current Boldin monster.

I think Q is great but had he been drafted by most teams he'd have seen spot duty at best if he was lucky his first year.

He most certainly not been able to put up those stats for any average NFL team because he would have had at least some competition for the ball. Here he was paired with another rookie WR from Penn State of all things. The most notorious slow starting WR factory ever.

We had an atrocious line and no run game so presto you get huge helpings of Boldin.

Couple that with his style of play that makes him hard to cover because he is so physical and him not having bad knees and you got about the best season you are ever going to get out of him.

What you have to ask yourself is this.

Was that just a hint of what he can do? or his peak year?

I would say it was closer to his peak and that basing an entire contract on that with his bad knees leaves you with something like what the Cardinals offered if they in fact did offer the 15 mil bonus spread out at 5 a year to guard against injury.

The NFL has too many teams that wouldn't worry like we would about the risk and just sign him.

That's what brings me to my final point.

He's worth more to some other team than us and I believe he's going to be traded and he may even really want that. I'd say it's going to work.

People keeping referring to Boldin's "bad knees". I saw no evidence at the end of last season that his knee operations had in any way affected his ability on the field. What he has is surgically repaired knees... and that is quite different.

I played pro hockey on two of those for a decade...

 

[Russ Smith]

People keeping referring to Boldin's "bad knees". I saw no evidence at the end of last season that his knee operations had in any way affected his ability on the field. What he has is surgically repaired knees... and that is quite different.

I played pro hockey on two of those for a decade...

Agreed, Terry Allen played multiple years in the NFL with ACl surgery on both knees. Gore has had it done on each knee and got drafted fairly early.

Obviously it's a concern but I haven't heard anybody say Quan is bone on bone or some situation where its' just a matter of time before he can't play WR on his knee.

If the 15 million 5 a year bonus was real I'd be disappointed that Quan rejected it, I just have no way of knowing if it was real.

 

[CaptTurbo]

I played pro hockey on two of those for a decade...

As in NHL? For who?

 

[seesred]

What Q had to put up with his first year I agree. We had no run game, a non working line and a so so QB and still dispite these things he managed to get open pull down passes and run up field. It is much harder IMO to accomplish what he did with the team that we had. As for his legs, just look to the half year he played. He played hard, ran well and most impressive his stats were near the top of the teams stat lists. I don't have any idea how this ends up but for me give me Quan or give me death! Did I just say that?

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[conraddobler]

Agreed, Terry Allen played multiple years in the NFL with ACl surgery on both knees. Gore has had it done on each knee and got drafted fairly early.

Obviously it's a concern but I haven't heard anybody say Quan is bone on bone or some situation where its' just a matter of time before he can't play WR on his knee.

If the 15 million 5 a year bonus was real I'd be disappointed that Quan rejected it, I just have no way of knowing if it was real.

It's just a risk factor if it happend twice what's to say he isn't prone to it?

It makes a huge difference just in terms of that kind of guaranteed money, the very problem we are talking about.

I highly doubt our offer is just too low $ wise I would bet the farm it's all about how much is guaranteed.

I know that if I own a team and have a player insisting on a dump truck full of money that I have to pay him no matter what, I know that I am going to worry about knees that have been rebuilt twice.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

As in NHL? For who?

WHA... Chicago, Quebec

 

[spanky1]

WHA... Chicago, Quebec

Ah yes......Les Nordiques.....Rajean Houle, I remember him and the other Frenchman who ended up at Les Habitants after the league folded.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Ah yes......Les Nordiques.....Rajean Houle, I remember him and the other Frenchman who ended up at Les Habitants after the league folded.

Rejean and I played against each other in minor hockey at age 10, 12 and in Junior.

Reggie actually played for Montreal - joined the Nordiques for a couple of seasons - and then returned to "Les Canadiens". The League actually folded / amalgamated with the NHL about 3 seasons after he returned to the NHL.