Quarterback ball velocity

[moklerman]

using your reasoning then NONE of the QBS should be RD 1.Josh Allen has major accuracy issues His accuracy was lower than ZJacksons and Allen played against poor competition.
Darnold is a turnover machine.
Rosen is a headcase with a attitude problem.
Mayfield is a short QB who had great stats in a crappy conference and has a attitude .
None of these QBs are finished products.NOT ONE.Teams have to decide on potential upside ad projection on each of these guys.I will root for whoever the Cards choose if they do so.I have my preferences.

I think there's a difference between having flaws and being a project though. Every QB has flaws but not all QB's are projects. I'm not saying Jackson is one or the other, but I do think there are guys who are ready to start rather quickly or even right away even though they have flaws and there are guys who should wait a while.

If I had to guess, based on the little bit I've seen, I'd say Jackson has further to go to be ready in the NFL than a guy like Darnold.

 

[cardncubfan]

I believe you can start either Rosen or Mayfield this year if you needed to. I don't think you could with the other prospects.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Mayfield is so obviously the best prospect out of the group. It's hilarious that people hate on him.

 

[BW52]

Mayfield is so obviously the best prospect out of the group. It's hilarious that people hate on him.

I don`t think anyone hates Mayfield.I think some have doubts that what worked for him in college won`t work in the NFL.His height will be one disadvantage,his arm is okay but not a gun,he won`t be throwing to wide open WRs and he won`t be able to scramble as easy as he did in college.Just some questions people have about him.If Cards draft him i will root for him but personally i hope Cards steer clear of him.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

That guy POISON hates Mayfield. That is for certain. There are a few others on the board that really don't like him because of the "off the field" stuff.

However, your take is reasonable, and I don't disagree that he has flaws. My point is that, despite his flaws, Mayfield is, out of the top five QBs, the most likely to succeed, and also that it's pretty obvious.

 

[BW52]

That guy POISON hates Mayfield. That is for certain. There are a few others on the board that really don't like him because of the "off the field" stuff.

However, your take is reasonable, and I don't disagree that he has flaws. My point is that, despite his flaws, Mayfield is, out of the top five QBs, the most likely to succeed, and also that it's pretty obvious.

No problem.We agree to disagree.

 

[cardncubfan]

I don`t think anyone hates Mayfield.I think some have doubts that what worked for him in college won`t work in the NFL.His height will be one disadvantage,his arm is okay but not a gun,he won`t be throwing to wide open WRs and he won`t be able to scramble as easy as he did in college.Just some questions people have about him.If Cards draft him i will root for him but personally i hope Cards steer clear of him.

He had the 2nd highest velocity at the combine. His arm strength is fine & was higher than all but Allen. I guess it boils down to the interpretation of gun.

 

[oaken1]

ball velocity and arm strength are not the same thing. you can have two guys who can both throw the ball 60 yards down field but one does it at 49 mph while the other does it at 60 mph... the guy who throw it at 60 mph has to lead his receivers less and is less likely to throw picks.
meanwhile, you can have two guys that throw it 60 mph and one can throw it 60 yards down field while the other can only throw it 40 yards downfield.... ball velocity is affected by spin, generally guys who throw tight spirals will show good velocity and guys who throw flutter balls will have less..... then there are those guys whose arm is so strong even a flutter ball gets there at 60 mph like elway.

I play catch with my nephews and at ten yards the ball sounds like a fast ball hitting a catchers mitt,...really pops...because the velocity is good... but I can only throw the ball about 25 yards because my shoulder is bad...good velocity, weak arm..

 

[GimmedaBall]

ball velocity and arm strength are not the same thing. you can have two guys who can both throw the ball 60 yards down field but one does it at 49 mph while the other does it at 60 mph... the guy who throw it at 60 mph has to lead his receivers less and is less likely to throw picks.
meanwhile, you can have two guys that throw it 60 mph and one can throw it 60 yards down field while the other can only throw it 40 yards downfield.... ball velocity is affected by spin, generally guys who throw tight spirals will show good velocity and guys who throw flutter balls will have less..... then there are those guys whose arm is so strong even a flutter ball gets there at 60 mph like elway.

I play catch with my nephews and at ten yards the ball sounds like a fast ball hitting a catchers mitt,...really pops...because the velocity is good... but I can only throw the ball about 25 yards because my shoulder is bad...good velocity, weak arm..

Well, guess SK has to take you off his draft board as QBOTF. Do you want to switch over to WR?

 

[cardncubfan]

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[oaken1]

Well, guess SK has to take you off his draft board as QBOTF. Do you want to switch over to WR?

well...I played OLB and DE anyway... and I am built like a NT these days,....I used to throw a really nice ball back in the day but QB has never really been in my cards

 

[daves]

ball velocity and arm strength are not the same thing.

They're pretty darned closely related... at least any reasonable definition of "arm strength" in the context of throwing a football. E.g. a professional arm wrestler might have incredible arm strength, but not be able to throw a ball as quickly as an NFL QB whom he could crush in an arm wrestling competition. So, let's agree that "arm strength" in the context of evaluating QB prospects refers to "functional" arm strength relative to the task of throwing a football.

meanwhile, you can have two guys that throw it 60 mph and one can throw it 60 yards down field while the other can only throw it 40 yards downfield.... ball velocity is affected by spin, generally guys who throw tight spirals will show good velocity and guys who throw flutter balls will have less.....

True, two balls could leave two QBs hands at the same speed, and one could lose speed more rapidly if it's fluttering while the other is a tight spiral. But, your example is probably a lot more extreme than any difference that would affect a legitimate QB prospect. I'd bet that there's just a few percent difference in deceleration between the passes of the best and worst spiral throwers in the NFL or the draft class.

I play catch with my nephews and at ten yards the ball sounds like a fast ball hitting a catchers mitt,...really pops...because the velocity is good... but I can only throw the ball about 25 yards because my shoulder is bad...good velocity, weak arm..

Now this makes no sense... if the velocity is good when it leaves your hand and after ten yards, the ball will reach the 25 yard mark every bit as quickly as anyone else's ball with the same velocity after ten yards. Your bad shoulder doesn't cause the ball to slow down after ten yards!

I will agree that someone with great arm strength (i.e. velocity) at the combine might not exhibit the same arm strength (velocity) on the football field. Mechanics could suffer when the player is wearing full pads, and trying to avoid a pass rush.

...dave

 

[GimmedaBall]

Some Nerd info on velocity---scroll toward the bottom for a listing of a lot of QBs. Our man Logan Thomas is near the top (see his video posted earlier in this thread):


http://www.pass2win.com/ball-velocity-exposing-the-power-qb.html