Question for Harry.

[TheCardFan]

All things being equal, I'd take another top 5 back over Green. The only season Henry played all year and was "the man" he led the NFL in fumbles. And if we get him, Shipp stays at #2, because if henry won't split carries with McGahee, there is no way in Hades he'd share with the Tugboat. And if we get him and lose him after next year (when he becomes a free agent) I am not for it. Those three concerns together need to be addressed before a move like this is a great move. Just saying I worry about some stuff. I'm all for an upgrade, but let's make sure we are getting what the team wants.

The problem is top 5 or even top 10 backs don't become available all that often. When they do, getting one seems to be a good investment (Faulk, Bettis, Dillon, and Ricky Williams even though he flaked out).

Your 3 concerns:

1) RB's split carries but he wants to be 'the man'. In Buffalo...McGahee is the man...If Henry comes to AZ he will be the man and Shipp will get some carries too.

2) Henry's agent has already said he would sign an extension with his new team. These deals are usually done and agreed to before a trade.

3) Fumbles...an issue. Does the good outway the bad? IMO...Yes.

 

[ajcardfan]

Or when we cut Garrison Hearst for Leland McElroy.

Actually, we cut Hearst to get under the salary cap in order sign Simeon Rice.

 

[TheCardFan]

Actually, we cut Hearst to get under the salary cap in order sign Simeon Rice.

Very true...but they did it because they thought Leland was as good or better than Hearst. Teams don't usually cut the #3 overall pick in the draft, 3 years after they were drafted, and one year after their first 1k yard season.

It was a huge mistake just like Bettis and Lawrence Phillips.

 

[ajcardfan]

Very true...but they did it because they thought Leland was as good or better than Hearst. Teams don't usually cut the #3 overall pick in the draft, 3 years after they were drafted, and one year after their first 1k yard season.

It was a huge mistake just like Bettis and Lawrence Phillips.

That's true, but very few people around here shed a lot of tears when they cut him. The majority of fans bagged on him just like they did on Jones. "Too fragile, dances too much", etc.

 

[TheCardFan]

That's true, but very few people around here shed a lot of tears when they cut him. The majority of fans bagged on him just like they did on Jones. "Too fragile, dances too much", etc.

I agree. Hearst was a major dissapointment in his first three years. He blew out his knee to start with but even his running style was poor. I remember him being very tentative and even turning his back on many plays...I think he was the only RB in NFL history to rush for 1000 yards and only score 1 td.

 

[Russ Smith]

Methinks Russ and Matt could be closet Cane fans. At Miami, hotshot RBs start out as Freshman or Sophomor FBs. They aren't allowed to be RBs until they learn the nuances of Blocking and Blitz pickups. McGahee was no exception. That is the position he started at. You can't leave immobile QBs naked in Miami's schemes. They'd get killed. For 3 years in Buffalo, Bledsoe was beaten up so badly. McGahee eats blitzers.

In fact I think boosters withhold paychecks until RB's learn to block at the U.



YeaH I remember the game McGahee got hurt in(the bowl game) he had 2 knockout blocks on blitz pickups.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

That's true, but very few people around here shed a lot of tears when they cut him. The majority of fans bagged on him just like they did on Jones. "Too fragile, dances too much", etc.

i was devastated. i was not convinced that 'lectric leland had what it takes.

 

[vince56]

i was devastated. i was not convinced that 'lectric leland had what it takes.

LeLand TackleToy. He sucked. I remember reading old draft pubs in a hair salon a few years ago, and the pre-draft article on LeLand said he was a "too good to be true, can't miss" kind of player.

 

[Renz]

I was also reminded this weekend that Jerome Bettis was traded from the LA Rams to make way for Lawrence Phillips.

A-Bomb

Pittsburgh got Bettis for a 2nd round pick in the 1996 draft and a 4th rounder in 1997. Talk about a steal!

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

. I remember reading old draft pubs in a hair salon a few years ago,

 

[Mulli]

If Leland was listed in Cosmo or Vogue, that should have been the first sign that he was "too good to be true."

 

[Russ Smith]

LeLand TackleToy. He sucked. I remember reading old draft pubs in a hair salon a few years ago, and the pre-draft article on LeLand said he was a "too good to be true, can't miss" kind of player.

I was ecstatic when we picked him, that kid was unreal in college and in the combines, but who knew he would be unable to break even a finger tackle in the NFL.

Best run he ever had was against Dallas and he fumbled on that one at the end.

 

[ajcardfan]

I was ecstatic when we picked him, that kid was unreal in college and in the combines, but who knew he would be unable to break even a finger tackle in the NFL.

Best run he ever had was against Dallas and he fumbled on that one at the end.

McElroy's mistake was that he listened to all of the "experts" who claimed he'd have to put on weight to make it in the NFL. He put on 20 lbs, lost speed, and even more importantly, lost his cutting ability which was out of sight in college. He should've stayed true to himself. He might've been drafted lower, but he also would've been more successful IMO.

 

[Russ Smith]

McElroy's mistake was that he listened to all of the "experts" who claimed he'd have to put on weight to make it in the NFL. He put on 20 lbs, lost speed, and even more importantly, lost his cutting ability which was out of sight in college. He should've stayed true to himself. He might've been drafted lower, but he also would've been more successful IMO.

Yeah he averaged like 40 yards per kickoff return his first year at A&M, something insane like that, was remarkably quick and fast. but in the NFL they don't want you to dance they want you to make one cut and go.

I was completely in agreement when we cut hearst, we needed money to sign the picks, Hearst was asking for Emmitt Smith type money, and McElroy was outplaying him in the preseason, boy was I wrong on that one.