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1. The Browns' trade up to #3 made no sense at all---no one was going to trade up to #3 to take Richardson and the Vikings sure as heck weren't going to take Richardson. I do like their pick of Brandon Weeden at #22, however. He's more likely to have the most success early in his career than Luck or Griffin---and, imo, is head and shoulders better than Tannehill. Plus, with Richardson at RB---the Browns now have a much better running game than Indy or Wash.

2. The two key moves for the Cardinals in acquiring Floyd were the Rams and the Jaguars trading out of picks #6 and #7...what were the odds of that with both of those teams desperately needing a WR? They essentially paved the way for Floyd to the Cardinals.

3. Credit the Cardinals' scouts---four of the players that pundits everywhere were picking for the Cardinals---Reiff, Ingram, DeCastro and Upshaw---slid considerably down the draft---not that they aren't very good players, but many scouts do think Reiff, because of his short arms, will be better off at guard, that Ingram is tough to evaluate because teams didn't know exactly where to play him, that DeCastro did not look as big or as physically gifted as scouts were expecting at the combine and that the same could be said about Upshaw (who wasn't even taken in the 1st round).

The only regret I felt was seeing Ingram, who is such an intriguing and dynamic player, dressed up in a white/red pinstriped shirt with a red tie and a red handkerchief, similar to the flash of red Patrick Peterson donned last year. It made me wonder if the Cardinals had told Ingram that if Floyd was off the board, he would be their pick.

4. The Cardinals may have foiled the Rams' ideal trade back plan by taking Floyd right in front of them. However, their pick of Brockers was a classic Jeff Fisher pick---Fisher is not all that keen on taking WRs anyway in the 1st round...and I think it is quite possible that Fisher had Brockers in mind all along. We will have to see what WRs they draft this weekend.

5. Seattle's taking Irvin was a boom or bust move---I watched a lot of tape on him and while he looked outrageously good a couple of times a game, he took a lot of plays off, and he almost never gets off the ball on the snap, he stutter steps, which he could get away with in college, but will make it harder for him to get to the QB as quickly in the pros.

6. The 49ers passing over Coby Fleener? For A.J. Jenkins? Makes you wonder what the scoop is there. I was extremely relieved to see that DeCastro didn't fall into their laps because for a while there it was looking entirely possible...and with their glaring need at RG, man that would have been a coup.

7. If Ryan Williams returns at 100%, it looks like the Cardinals' 2nd round surprise selection may have been a stroke of genius because Williams would have been by far the 2nd best RB in this year's class, and possibly right up there with Richardson, because Williams hits the hole quicker and is faster in the open field.

Stay thirsty my friends...and dream of the Minnesota F Brothers: Fitz and Floyd, coming to an NFL stadium near you!
 
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1. The Browns' trade up to #3 made no sense at all---no one was going to trade up to #3 to take Richardson and the Vikings sure as heck weren't going to take Richardson.

They were worried about Tampa moving up and grabbing Richardson, who they apparently really liked. Cleveland also had multiple 4th and 5th round picks, so why not give up a few surplus picks to make sure you get the guy you really wanted?

Agree with pretty much everything else you said though. The other NFCW teams picks certainly didn't blow me away tonight -- but will be interesting to see what St. Louis does with three second round picks tomorrow.
 
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They were worried about Tampa moving up and grabbing Richardson, who they apparently really liked. Cleveland also had multiple 4th and 5th round picks, so why not give up a few surplus picks to make sure you get the guy you really wanted?

That makes sense now---thanks gmabel. And even more sense seeing as the Bucs traded back into the end of the first round to take Doug Martin.
 

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I've always liked Weeden more than Tannehill, not because of the name either. :D I didn't think all those guys would be there when we picked, we just had a good look at the Card's draft board..so to speak. Nice write up homie., lovin the R. Williams.
 

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That makes sense now---thanks gmabel. And even more sense seeing as the Bucs traded back into the end of the first round to take Doug Martin.

There were pundits predicting that Minnie might take Richardson after all because AP isn't going to be ready to start the season. Also Remember AP Has been in the NFL for 5 years now which I believe makes him about 28(?).
With the life expectancy of a RB being so short they may have figured to have Richardson on the roster when AP is finally played out.
 
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I've always liked Weeden more than Tannehill, not because of the name either. :D I didn't think all those guys would be there when we picked, we just had a good look at the Card's draft board..so to speak. Nice write up homie.

Gruden is quick to point out that Weeden beat Luck, RG III, Tannehill, Foles, etc. And most of those wins were convincing. I just really liked the tapes I saw of him---seems to play much taller than his size---and what a smooth release---like silk and delivers strikes into tight windows, which often times you have to do with Blackmon because he doesn't separate very quickly.
 

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There were pundits predicting that Minnie might take Richardson after all because AP isn't going to be ready to start the season. Also Remember AP Has been in the NFL for 5 years now which I believe makes him about 28(?).
With the life expectancy of a RB being so short they may have figured to have Richardson on the roster when AP is finally played out.
Smart clubs been dissing 30 year old backs for a good minute now, same with not picking them early in the first round. I for one still believe they are a must, but all and all it is supply and demand that sets the stage. Passing league yada yada yada, you must learn to run before you can achieve this...but nobody listens to...friggin hippies.
 
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I've always liked Weeden more than Tannehill, not because of the name either. :D I didn't think all those guys would be there when we picked, we just had a good look at the Card's draft board..so to speak. Nice write up homie., lovin the R. Williams.

I think we had the Cardinals' board narrowed down very well. Chris Sanders and I were talking about it today and the 4 we had (as well as many others of you):

1. Floyd
2. Barron
3. DeCastro
4. Ingram
 

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I think we had the Cardinals' board narrowed down very well. Chris Sanders and I were talking about it today and the 4 we had (as well as many others of you):

1. Floyd
2. Barron
3. DeCastro
4. Ingram
Totally feel you, but I wasn't sure who they would go with when the choice came. I actually thought we might go Ingram considering the gains the defense made last year, I liked that idea with Horton showing he can utilize a players skills and relay it to his scheme, which I'm beginning to think is a little different than them damn Steelas. Floyd can be pimp here, all depends on Kolb and Skelton this year. I think both QBs will still see time on the field. All I meant was we gotta a peep as far as the Card's draft board, I thought they had Ingram above Floyd as afar as BPA...but I work at a garden store.v
 

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Smart clubs been dissing 30 year old backs for a good minute now, same with not picking them early in the first round. I for one still believe they are a must, but all and all it is supply and demand that sets the stage. Passing league yada yada yada, you must learn to run before you can achieve this...but nobody listens to...friggin hippies.

I will qualify my statement with considering what the Browns gave up for moving up one spot in the draft Minn would have been hard pressed to say no. And for the record I'm a cowboy, ya friggin hippie! :mulli::D
 

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As goofy as the Browns move was, their 1st round reminds me a lot of the year SD got Tomlinson and Brees in rounds 1 and 2 respectively. Completely changed the franchise. It sure would be nice to see the Browns win that division over Pittsburgh and Baltimore. But I won't get carried away just yet.
 

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I will qualify my statement with considering what the Browns gave up for moving up one spot in the draft Minn would have been hard pressed to say no. And for the record I'm a cowboy, ya friggin hippie! :mulli::D
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I always knew your were a stoner at heart... :D much blessings my fellow herb loving brother.
 

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4. The Cardinals may have foiled the Rams' ideal trade back plan by taking Floyd right in front of them.

If there was any chance that we were still on the fence about whether to take Floyd or one of the others, the fact that the Rams were sitting right behind us likely licking their chops at the prospects of getting him may have sealed the deal. The fact is that by taking Floyd, we not only get a player whom we are thrilled with, but also likely saved ourselves from having to face him twice a year.
 

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Good stuff Mitch. gmabel830 covered the one difference I had.

The Cards feel they are ready to get back in the tourney this year and a WR like Floyd will have much more of an impact then any D player we could have taken at 13.

Rookies don't get much if any playing time in the LeBeau/Horton system. Plus the Steelers have a history of taking players later in the draft and in a year or two having them make an impact.

What I'm trying to say is the scheme trumps raw talent. Horton can take solid players and have them look great because of the system.

Need an OT with the next pick and wouldn't be shocked if we trade our 3rd and a 6th pick to go up and get someone they like.

After that watch a OLBer taken in the next couple of picks. Someone who needs development but can help on ST's this year.
 
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Good stuff Mitch. gmabel830 covered the one difference I had.

The Cards feel they are ready to get back in the tourney this year and a WR like Floyd will have much more of an impact then any D player we could have taken at 13.

Rookies don't get much if any playing time in the LeBeau/Horton system. Plus the Steelers have a history of taking players later in the draft and in a year or two having them make an impact.

What I'm trying to say is the scheme trumps raw talent. Horton can take solid players and have them look great because of the system.

Need an OT with the next pick and wouldn't be shocked if we trade our 3rd and a 6th pick to go up and get someone they like.

After that watch a OLBer taken in the next couple of picks. Someone who needs development but can help on ST's this year.

Hey, Cardiac, thanks for all your excellent thoughts and posts---I look forward to every one of them.

As it turns out the Bucs said they were not going to trade up for Richardson---but I guess the Browns didn't want to take any chances, so I guess we can't blame them---save for their own Jim Brown who has come out and insisted that Richardson is "nothing special." Strange, huh?

I think you are right---we are going to see at least one trade involving the Cardinals---while I think they are going to move up---it wouldn't surprise me if they moved down from #80 to acquire a few more picks. I think the scouts have a number of players in mind for rounds 4-7.
 

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Hey, Cardiac, thanks for all your excellent thoughts and posts---I look forward to every one of them.

As it turns out the Bucs said they were not going to trade up for Richardson---but I guess the Browns didn't want to take any chances, so I guess we can't blame them---save for their own Jim Brown who has come out and insisted that Richardson is "nothing special." Strange, huh?

I think you are right---we are going to see at least one trade involving the Cardinals---while I think they are going to move up---it wouldn't surprise me if they moved down from #80 to acquire a few more picks. I think the scouts have a number of players in mind for rounds 4-7.

Maybe the rumors and smoke screens scared the Browns into the trade. They really didn't give up much so I think you're right that they didn't want to take a chance on losing him. Jim Brown's comments are more than a bit strange.

I think whether we trade up or down will depend on how much of a run there is on the O-line during rd 2. Maybe they love a certain OT and when he drops far enough they pull the trigger to go get him.

Another thought.....The Pats only have 2 picks left (both 2nd rd) so are they open to trading back to get some more picks?
 

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The Pats have someone like Marcus Cannon they could deal. Would the Cards do it for a 4th rounder?
 

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I would never, NEVER put a 1st round grade on a 28 year old rookie QB.
 

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1. The Browns' trade up to #3 made no sense at all---no one was going to trade up to #3 to take Richardson and the Vikings sure as heck weren't going to take Richardson. I do like their pick of Brandon Weeden at #22, however. He's more likely to have the most success early in his career than Luck or Griffin---and, imo, is head and shoulders better than Tannehill. Plus, with Richardson at RB---the Browns now have a much better running game than Indy or Wash.

2. The two key moves for the Cardinals in acquiring Floyd were the Rams and the Jaguars trading out of picks #6 and #7...what were the odds of that with both of those teams desperately needing a WR? They essentially paved the way for Floyd to the Cardinals.

3. Credit the Cardinals' scouts---four of the players that pundits everywhere were picking for the Cardinals---Reiff, Ingram, DeCastro and Upshaw---slid considerably down the draft---not that they aren't very good players, but many scouts do think Reiff, because of his short arms, will be better off at guard, that Ingram is tough to evaluate because teams didn't know exactly where to play him, that DeCastro did not look as big or as physically gifted as scouts were expecting at the combine and that the same could be said about Upshaw (who wasn't even taken in the 1st round).

The only regret I felt was seeing Ingram, who is such an intriguing and dynamic player, dressed up in a white/red pinstriped shirt with a red tie and a red handkerchief, similar to the flash of red Patrick Peterson donned last year. It made me wonder if the Cardinals had told Ingram that if Floyd was off the board, he would be their pick.

4. The Cardinals may have foiled the Rams' ideal trade back plan by taking Floyd right in front of them. However, their pick of Brockers was a classic Jeff Fisher pick---Fisher is not all that keen on taking WRs anyway in the 1st round...and I think it is quite possible that Fisher had Brockers in mind all along. We will have to see what WRs they draft this weekend.

5. Seattle's taking Irvin was a boom or bust move---I watched a lot of tape on him and while he looked outrageously good a couple of times a game, he took a lot of plays off, and he almost never gets off the ball on the snap, he stutter steps, which he could get away with in college, but will make it harder for him to get to the QB as quickly in the pros.

6. The 49ers passing over Coby Fleener? For A.J. Jenkins? Makes you wonder what the scoop is there. I was extremely relieved to see that DeCastro didn't fall into their laps because for a while there it was looking entirely possible...and with their glaring need at RG, man that would have been a coup.

7. If Ryan Williams returns at 100%, it looks like the Cardinals' 2nd round surprise selection may have been a stroke of genius because Williams would have been by far the 2nd best RB in this year's class, and possibly right up there with Richardson, because Williams hits the hole quicker and is faster in the open field.

Stay thirsty my friends...and dream of the Minnesota F Brothers: Fitz and Floyd, coming to an NFL stadium near you!

Yesterday I posted a quote from the USA Today picks. They had the Cards possible taking Floyd rather than a lineman. Fitz said last week he hoped the Cards would take Floyd so he would not be double teamed every play. The USA guy did not do to bad. To me Richardson is a real difference maker. Not next year but immediately. He is one of the best college RB's I have seen in a long time. With all the picks Cleveland had I thought it a great move on their part to trade up. If I could have a do-over I sure would like our #2 pick back and Kolb back in Philly. This will surely help our offense in that as Fitz says he may see a lot more one on one which will further help our QB's. Only time will tell. My top three were much as most people's top three. Luck, RG3, and Richardson. All can do a lot to turn a franchise around. Few lineman can do that by themselves.
 

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Bet he'll beat out McCoy. If not within the first 4 weeks he'll be in there for good.

That says more about what they think of McCoy than what they think of Weeden IMO.
 

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I would never, NEVER put a 1st round grade on a 28 year old rookie QB.

I would. In one instance especially with a guy like Weedon. If you need a QB to play right away and you see your window to win to be 4-5 years based on your roster.

I know they had years to develop but John Elway won a SB at age 38. Kurt Warner took the Cards to the SB at age 37. Brett Farve had a QB rating of 107.2, threw 33 TDs to 7 INTs, and had the Vikings at 12-4 at age 40.

Times have changed.
 
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