Quinn may hold out of Browns' camp

[Sandan]

Quinn may hold out of Browns' camp

Posted: Sunday June 03, 2007 12:19PM ET

Browns insiders say there's a good chance agent Tom Condon will hold out Brady Quinn once training camp starts. The Browns, despite trading up to make Quinn their second first-round pick, don't really want the rookie quarterback playing early in his rookie season. Browns coaches would like to see Charlie Frye maintain the job. So far, the Browns and Condon have not done much talking.

 

[lobo]

Quinn may hold out of Browns' camp

Posted: Sunday June 03, 2007 12:19PM ET

Browns insiders say there's a good chance agent Tom Condon will hold out Brady Quinn once training camp starts. The Browns, despite trading up to make Quinn their second first-round pick, don't really want the rookie quarterback playing early in his rookie season. Browns coaches would like to see Charlie Frye maintain the job. So far, the Browns and Condon have not done much talking.

Ain't my (our) problem. If he does he will be high leve stupid..not a great thing for QB's to miss any time in camp.

 

[joeshmo]

So far, the Browns and Condon have not done much talking.

You can say that for about 99% of the 1st round draft picks.

 

[kerouac9]

Anyone want to bet that Levi Brown holds out longer than Brady Quinn?

 

[Sandan]

Why would you think that?

 

[football karma]

Well -- #5 will be harder to sign than #22, all other things being equal

Fortunately, there isnt a QB bracketing the #5 pick, nor was last year's #5 pick a QB, so that helps

While the Browns are saying the right things, so were the Cards at this point last year -- and Condon was savvy enough to make sure that Matt got paid like a starting QB if he ended up as a starting QB.

I suspect that he will do the same thing at #22.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Anyone want to bet that Levi Brown holds out longer than Brady Quinn?

I was just thinking the same thing.

 

[Skkorpion]

Brady Quinn deserves every misstep that comes his way. By hiring Condon, he guaranteed himself bad advice every step of the way.

Sure enough, it started early with his refusing to work out at the Senior Bowl and the combine and it went downhill from there.

 

[Assface]

Anyone want to bet that Levi Brown holds out longer than Brady Quinn?

Sure. Levi was taken #5 overall, he's going to get a good contract, it's just a matter of details. As far as Quinn, Condon is going to use him being a QB to try to get a contract worthy of a higher slotting. Happened with Kyle Boller when he got drafted.

 

[ajcardfan]

Sure. Levi was taken #5 overall, he's going to get a good contract, it's just a matter of details. As far as Quinn, Condon is going to use him being a QB to try to get a contract worthy of a higher slotting. Happened with Kyle Boller when he got drafted.

And, he'll get Quinn that contract too, just watch. There's a reason why some of these agents keep getting hired by the top players no matter how much fans cuss them.

 

[Zeno]

The Cardinals history has shown that they rarely sign first round picks on time, it'd be nice to see our first round pick in camp and not have the lone hold out a week or 2 in to training camp...again.

 

[Russ Smith]

Why would you think that?

I think Condon probably holds quinn out longer than Brown but I fully expect Brown to be difficult to sign.

AJ Hawk was the 5th pick last year and got 6 years 37.5 million according to FOXsports.

Leinart was the 10th pick last year and got a 6 year deal that COULD be worth 51 million.

It's inevitable that Brown will be tough to sign because he's got 2 benchmarks to use and one of them is out of whack because Leinart got better than slot value last year.

 

[ajcardfan]

I think Condon probably holds quinn out longer than Brown but I fully expect Brown to be difficult to sign.

AJ Hawk was the 5th pick last year and got 6 years 37.5 million according to FOXsports.

Leinart was the 10th pick last year and got a 6 year deal that COULD be worth 51 million.

It's inevitable that Brown will be tough to sign because he's got 2 benchmarks to use and one of them is out of whack because Leinart got better than slot value last year.

Yeah, Brown's deal is not going to be easy to get done. But, hey, he's not starting, so who cares? We've got the T spots locked down by Gandy and Ross.

 

[football karma]

I think Condon probably holds quinn out longer than Brown but I fully expect Brown to be difficult to sign.

AJ Hawk was the 5th pick last year and got 6 years 37.5 million according to FOXsports.

Leinart was the 10th pick last year and got a 6 year deal that COULD be worth 51 million.

It's inevitable that Brown will be tough to sign because he's got 2 benchmarks to use and one of them is out of whack because Leinart got better than slot value last year.

Why would Leinart's contract necessarily be a benchmark?

I get the "well you paid the #10 pick last year X, so we need 120% of X this year" argument that Brown's agent will make, but the Cardinals will reply "QB premium" and the discussion will be over.

I think the far more relevant benchmarks are going to be picks #3, #4, #6 and #7 in this year's draft.

Now, its certainly possible that last year is relevant in that the agent may say: "the Cards caved after three weeks and gave above slot money, so lets hold out"

 

[ajcardfan]

Now, its certainly possible that last year is relevant in that the agent may say: "the Cards caved after three weeks and gave above slot money, so lets hold out"

Exactly. That's why Leinart's contract is very relevant to Brown's.

 

[Russ Smith]

Why would Leinart's contract necessarily be a benchmark?

I get the "well you paid the #10 pick last year X, so we need 120% of X this year" argument that Brown's agent will make, but the Cardinals will reply "QB premium" and the discussion will be over.

I think the far more relevant benchmarks are going to be picks #3, #4, #6 and #7 in this year's draft.

Now, its certainly possible that last year is relevant in that the agent may say: "the Cards caved after three weeks and gave above slot money, so lets hold out"

Primarily because we paid over slot value last year. And remember we were on record last year that we don't believe in QB premium, but then we paid it.

I'm guessing Brown gets something in between what Hawk got and what Matt got.

But I can sure see his agent saying we're not taking a deal significantly worse than Matt got, afterall he was 10th, we were 5th.

We'll get it done but it won't be easy, no matter who we picked that was going to be the case. But with our tackle starters it's going to be even harder because they KNOW we need Brown.

 

[Gambit]

Primarily because we paid over slot value last year. And remember we were on record last year that we don't believe in QB premium, but then we paid it.

I'm guessing Brown gets something in between what Hawk got and what Matt got.

But I can sure see his agent saying we're not taking a deal significantly worse than Matt got, afterall he was 10th, we were 5th.

We'll get it done but it won't be easy, no matter who we picked that was going to be the case. But with our tackle starters it's going to be even harder because they KNOW we need Brown.

The only thing is, if the Browns don't sign Brady right away, they dont' have Navarre as the starter if something happens to Frye. Derek Anderson can actually win some games for them.

 

[Duckjake]

Primarily because we paid over slot value last year. And remember we were on record last year that we don't believe in QB premium, but then we paid it.

I'm guessing Brown gets something in between what Hawk got and what Matt got.

But I can sure see his agent saying we're not taking a deal significantly worse than Matt got, afterall he was 10th, we were 5th.

We'll get it done but it won't be easy, no matter who we picked that was going to be the case. But with our tackle starters it's going to be even harder because they KNOW we need Brown.

Of course the Cards will be telling Brown he is really only worth #15 money because that is where he was projected and that they only picked him that high because they couldn't work a deal to trade down.

No wait, that was what reports said the "old" Cardinals did.

Nevermind.

 

[football karma]

Primarily because we paid over slot value last year. And remember we were on record last year that we don't believe in QB premium, but then we paid it.

I'm guessing Brown gets something in between what Hawk got and what Matt got.

But I can sure see his agent saying we're not taking a deal significantly worse than Matt got, afterall he was 10th, we were 5th.

We'll get it done but it won't be easy, no matter who we picked that was going to be the case. But with our tackle starters it's going to be even harder because they KNOW we need Brown.

I think what could very well happen is that the Cards wait until #4 and #6 sign.

Although -- Matt contract is as much an issue for picks #6 thorugh #10 as it is for the Cards. Everyone's agent will use that argument.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Cards use the argument that Brown should be paid less because he's playing RT instead of LT, which is where the elite money goes.

 

[Russ Smith]

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Cards use the argument that Brown should be paid less because he's playing RT instead of LT, which is where the elite money goes.

And if I'm Browns' agent I counter with "what hand does your QB throw with?"

 

[Pariah]

And if I'm Browns' agent I counter with "what hand does your QB throw with?"

And if I'm the agent I ask which side of the line the opponents' pass-rushing specialists line-up on.

RT's--even those for lefties--SHOULD make less than LTs, IMO.

 

[Russ Smith]

And if I'm the agent I ask which side of the line the opponents' pass-rushing specialists line-up on.

RT's--even those for lefties--SHOULD make less than LTs, IMO.

Sure but any good agent is going to say he's protecting your Qb's blindside.

the draft is all about slotting generally, LT or RT is irrelevant when you pick a guy 5th. To an agent that is.

I think we wind up overpaying to get Brown but we would have done that no matter who we picked because we overpaid for Matt last year.

 

[Shane]

And if I'm the agent I ask which side of the line the opponents' pass-rushing specialists line-up on.

RT's--even those for lefties--SHOULD make less than LTs, IMO.

I still think that is a misconsception. Which side do Strahan and Peppers line up on? There are premier pass rushing DE's on both sides of the DL throughout the league.

Heck the really good ones flop from side to side. I believe in todays NFL they are about as equally important. JMHO.

 

[kerouac9]

I still think that is a misconsception. Which side do Strahan and Peppers line up on? There are premier pass rushing DE's on both sides of the DL throughout the league.

Heck the really good ones flop from side to side. I believe in todays NFL they are about as equally important. JMHO.

This discussion is kind of useless, but it is the offseason. For what it's worth, Strahan, Peppers, and Little are the exceptions that prove the rule.

Rice, Freeney, Burgess, Will Smith, Justin Smith, Jason Taylor, etc., etc. all line up across from the LOT.