Raider fans on Palmer

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I watched Palmer a lot this season too (fantasy football interests), and it's right that he piled up all of his stats in garbage time... I'm not excited for him to come here. I'd actually rather give Stanton a shot. As for Stanton, I feel bad for the guy. He thought he was going to have a legit shot to compete for the job. And with Palmer at $8 million, that ain't happening.

Word is that Stanton knew there was a high likelihood we were going to try to get Palmer.

So he got a great backup QB deal, that if somehow he needs to start and he produces becomes a great contract for him.

Overall it's better than going to the Jets as a backup and being pushed to 4th and requesting a trade (hmmm why aren't we pounding him as a cancer?)
 

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Whiz also lost his gig shortly after. :D

From Jan 2010 to Sept of 2011 the Cards lost their #1 draft picks from 2005, 2006 and 2008 as well as their #2 picks from 2003, 2004, 2005, 2007 and 2009. The #2 from 2006 spent 2011 on the bench.

Hard to keep your job when that is going on.

Building through the draft. :thumbup:
 

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I saw the same things you did although his INT rate was much lower then some much more highly thought of guys including Kaep and Wilson I believe IIRC. Likely trying to Make Success Happen with little to work with?

I keep thinking back ot Carsons career and he was at his best (pre injury) but when he had competent wideouts like Housh and Ocho (at the time)

Maybe a vertical passing attack with Fitz, Floyd, and Roberts will be the elixir he needs? Also maybe 40% of those INTs are instrad catches by Fitzy then say Denarious Moore and Heyward-Bey?

Wishful thinking to a degree but one of the main reasons I am excited about Arians is because of his (hopefully) better handling of Quarterbacks. Im alreadyon baord with his philosophy on "one guy" going into TC as I do think that makes a big difference with a Quarterback and that position in particular.

Can't argue with much of that.
 

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Why would you feel bad for Stanton? He signed for backup money because he's a backup level QB. Plus, he's getting paid milions and standing on the sideline.

Wanting to start him over Palmer is just wanting the Cards to lose.

Frankly, if we're not going to draft a rookie QB in the first this year, which it appears exceedingly evident that we're not, I actually kind of do want us to lose. This franchise, more than anything, needs a quarterback that can shoulder the load for at least a decade. If that guy happens to be at the top of next year's draft, a Carson Palmer-led season likely places us outside of a reasonable opportunity to get him. Palmer's window is extremely limited, and probably won't see us in a Super Bowl, since the defense is going to be in a transition from last year.

Stanton has something of a pedigree. Don't get me wrong, he's proven nothing, and is likely just a backup in this league, but a 2nd rounder that has only ever started 4 games, and played in 12, hasn't been given a fair opportunity. For a guy who is nearing 30, this chance with the Cardinals is likely his last shot at anything resembling a real playing career. If he's stuck behind a mediocre starter that is getting paid too much to bench without major problems, I do feel for the guy.
 

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Yeah, watching him pretty closely over the last couple years, he'll look brilliant, then make the dumbest mistakes at the most inopportune times.

So essentially we are upgrading to a QB that makes the dumbest mistakes at the most inopportune times from a bunch of QBs that made the dumbest mistakes all the damn time.

I guess I'll take it!!
 

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So essentially we are upgrading to a QB that makes the dumbest mistakes at the most inopportune times from a bunch of QBs that made the dumbest mistakes all the damn time.

I guess I'll take it!!

ha... this is kinda where I'm at if it happens.
 

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I too would like a quarterback that we could have for at least a decade, but this is the situation we're in. No matter if you draft Bridgewater or trade for Palmer it's a risk. Of all the crap seasons we've had, the only time we got high enough to draft a QBOTF would have landed us Ryan Leaf. We should upgrade Plummer just because he kept us from that nightmare.

IMO we can't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Palmer might have 3 years, 5 years....and if he were to play as long as Warner (just as an age comparison...which also imo strong armed QB's are more likely to be able to do) even longer. I don't know how much he has left, but his arm is still there. His age shouldn't deter us.

Maybe Palmer ends up sucking, but even if we tanked we have no sure bet of getting Bridgewater, and no guarantee he doesn't bust out, plus it's a year away. Palmer is available to us right now, and to use another old saying....a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Some people feel Manziel is a bust waiting to happen. A Texas party boy like Leinart. I'd hate to 'tank' only to end up trying to copycat Kaepernick and Wilson, and getting party boy instead. Not that I'm against him fully, just saying I see him as having a pretty big bust risk.

I really feel Oakland's front office doesn't appreciate what Palmer did, and are going to find out they are far crappier then they thought. I feel they think if they just get a better QB, they'll turn things around. I'm not against Flynn, but I just don't see any QB taking Oakland anywhere with the talent they don't have, and right now Flynn will have even less than Palmer did since Brandon Myers left. He was basically the only weapon Palmer had. Maybe Denarius Moore can improve, but at this point stat wise Andre Roberts with our crappy QB's exceeds him except in YPC, especially if you consider % of total passing yards he accounts for. 751 yards out of >4000 is not impressive. They are going to find out that Palmer was covering for what they didn't have, and I really don't think Flynn can do that. I don't feel mediocre arm quarterbacks throwing to marginal speed receivers deep fits well together.

I also feel Palmer is a perfect fit for what Arians wants to do. We'd be picking up a guy who whatever his capability ultimately is he fits us which should make him more effective then what his capability is, whatever it is. Flynn doesn't fit what the Raiders have, Palmer fits what we are trying to establish.

If Flynn is going to have a shot the Raiders are going to need to draft some weapons for him. They don't have many picks to do that, so I find it doubtful. Especially since there isn't one worth the #3 pick. Then they don't pick again until the 3rd round as they still owe that pick to Cinci. Ouch.

Flynn looked pretty good against us, but I don't put too much stock in it. It's one thing going in against a team that was beaten down, wasn't game planned for, and PC was running up the score.

I say take advance of the front office of the Raiders, Reggie McKenzie, and show him that switching QB's and lessening the talent there, won't change the rot underneath it all. If he wants to make a mistake, I say fleece 'em.
 
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So essentially we are upgrading to a QB that makes the dumbest mistakes at the most inopportune times from a bunch of QBs that made the dumbest mistakes all the damn time.

I guess I'll take it!!

Yup, I'll take occasionally competency over guaranteed incompetency all day!
 

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Yup, I'll take occasionally competency over guaranteed incompetency all day!

Haha me too. Now my biggest concern assuming we shore up OL in Draft is Todd Bowles and is he at least = Horton in terms of getting our defense to play. We get a pass rusher and safety in the draft and I would make the argument we are overall more talented on D. At least at DL and LB and I think the loss of Rhodes and Wilson is overstated - although thats easy to say before bullets start flying.

Can Bowles take the heat? Hope so.
 

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Haha me too. Now my biggest concern assuming we shore up OL in Draft is Todd Bowles and is he at least = Horton in terms of getting our defense to play. We get a pass rusher and safety in the draft and I would make the argument we are overall more talented on D. At least at DL and LB and I think the loss of Rhodes and Wilson is overstated - although thats easy to say before bullets start flying.

Can Bowles take the heat? Hope so.

Yeah, which is why I really hate how much we messed with the D getting rid of Horton and Rhodes. I will certainly give them a chance, but could you imagine how much more effective our D would have been last year, with a competent offense not having them on the field at all times, and putting them in terrible situations?

Perhaps that alone will make our D as good as it was last year.
 

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Yeah, which is why I really hate how much we messed with the D getting rid of Horton and Rhodes. I will certainly give them a chance, but could you imagine how much more effective our D would have been last year, with a competent offense not having them on the field at all times, and putting them in terrible situations?

Perhaps that alone will make our D as good as it was last year.

Thats what I am hoping. Although a quick strike offense can have the defense on the field just as much as a 3-5 polay offense. Ill take my chances though.

Key is turnovers. If we get those, we should be able to cash in on short fields now.
 

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Palmer probably was our best player last year. Probably would have been our best this year too. But I still like the move. Palmer didn't want to be here, and he really had no future he. He didn't want to guide a bad team while it rebuilt, and he wouldn't be and good when we were rebuilt.

Just time to part ways. Glad it looks like its getting done in a professional way.
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got to agree with you. I liked Palmer and wish we had the pieces to make his time here successful, but we didnt and we ended up 4-12. Hue screwed us with his "High stakes poker game". That contract was way out of hand for what we received and what we needed team wise for the rebuilding process. I wish Pryor was ready to lead the Raiders for the next 6-8 years, but I reckon the Oakland Raiders staff are better judges of where Pryor is at then anyone here at RFN. I welcome Flynn to the Raiders and I wish him much success. I also wish Reggie and Dennis best of luck being successful at filling holes on this team. May each and every one of our draft picks be spot on and may we find some late round diamonds. GO RAIDERS!!!
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Palmer will light it up this year and the Raiders will look like idiots... again. I hope they have another plan at QB because Matt Flynn is not the answer. I was actually joking when I said that we would be worse this year than last year but I think that might very well be true. Our Raiders might be dreadful to watch this year. The only positive I can think of is that we no longer have Greg Knapp.
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Palmer was easily our best player last year. Nothing he does will impress those who actively dislike him, for whatever reason. Whether they're Pryor fans, disgruntled Campbell fans, or just can't get over the trade itself. If he's winning playoff games this year, according to many on these boards it won't be because of Palmer.
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Also some 'my team right or wrong types' blasting away at Palmer for wanting to leave.

Nice to see the fans liked Palmer. More than you can say about the QBs we have lost in recent years to other teams.
 
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