Raising Arizona: Prospects for the 2006 Season

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There is bound to be a great deal of excitement surrounding the Arizona Cardinals in 2006. The beautiful brand-spanking new...state-of-the-art...stadium...with rectractable roof and portable grass field will be the talk of the NFL. No longer will the players, coaches and fans have to endure the blistering Arizona heat...and because Arizona is an attractive place to live...free agents will be putting the Cardinals near the top of their lists. In fact, Arizona may become an even more trendy franchise for free agents and draft picks than the Tampa Bay Bucs were in the late 90s. With all the fanfare heading into the season, every Cardinal home game will be sold out...and will likely be sold out for years to come.

As for the players on the current roster and what the Cardinal front office needs to do to put the best product on the field, here are some notes and predictions about the upcoming personnel moves:

QB: Kurt Warner will likely be re-signed. The only possible fly in the ointment here is the contract figure. Because of Warner's age and durability issues, it would make perfect sense for Warner to sign a contract heavily laden with performance and playing-time incentives. If Warner balks at this and wants more guaranteed money, this will put the Cardinals between a rock and a hard place...which means he and the club may start exploring other options.

As for Warner's performance in 2005, he deserves credit for offering stability to the position, that is, when he was able to play. He only started 9 games this season...and in those nine games his passing numbers were good...yet, he was inexplicably tentative in the red zone, and was one of the major reasons why the Cardinals kicked so many field goals: he would consistently drive the team into field goal range, but also consistently pass underneath the endzone on critical third and goals.

Warner has a good, accurate arm still...although his deep passes were not very good this year...and he's as immobile as quarterbacks come...when he holds onto the ball too long, turnovers are bound to happen.

Warner has the veteran presence and charisma the team needs for him to be the leader of the offense. He needs to show his teammates how mentally tough he can be in the red zone before he wins the full confidence of the players and fans. An improved running game should clearly aid Warner's cause.

As for Josh McCown, when he was leading the team to an inspired win over SF in Mexico City...basking in delight, he approached Dennis Green on the sideline and tried to share a celebratory moment with the head coach. Dennis Green turned and walked away...This gesture on Green's part eptomizes how little interest the organization has recently shown in Josh McCown. Funny that McCown went 10-12 as a starter in Arizona...what, an uncanny 11-2 at home...and yet, the former 3rd round draft pick played his last two games as a Cardinal clearly auditioning for other teams.

McCown, IMO, has shown significant progress, as evidenced by how he played the last two weeks. Nearly all of his passes last week versus Philadelphia were perfectly thrown. This week versus Indianapolis, most of his passes were on the money, save his deep passes to Boldin that this time around he put too much air on. McCown's TD toss to Fitz on an audible (two weeks in a row, an audible TD pass from McCown) was picture perfect.

Yet, what we saw less and less of from Josh is the strength of his scrambling ability. This guy can really scoot in the open field and he has a good array of stutter-step moves that can make tacklers miss. Recently, Josh has lost his head while scrambling...passing beyond the line of scrimmage, throwing into tight coverage and holding the football like a loaf of bread...which resulted in two fumbles with the game on the line at Indy. If I were coaching Josh, I would work diligently on this aspect of his game, because this is what can make Josh a special QB in this league...just ask John Fox, the head coach of the Carolina Panthers, who would tell you today that he would rather prepare for Kurt Warner than Josh McCown. In fact, don't be surprised if the Panthers make a serious run at McCown this off-season.

Because of McCown's scrambles the team was able to crack the 100 yard mark in rushing this past week.

Kurt Warner has clearly made a positive impact on McCown...as McCown's head seemed more focused and self-assured these past two games. It's too bad the team couldn't keep Warner and McCown together...but that would seem very unlikely.

In the wings the team has John Navarre and Rohan Davey signed for next year. Navarre looked terribly rusty and out of sync in his cameo appearance this year. He also showed a tendency to throw sidearm, which negates a great deal of his size and arm strength. Navarre clearly needs to work on his feet and needs to sense pressure so that he can sidestep it and set his feet to make strikes down the field. Right now John Navarre needs to discover how badly he wants to be an NFL QB.

As for Rohan Davey, here's a guy with a major league arm, but showed a poor understanding of how to read defenses when he was playing at New England. Davey already starred one season in NFL Europe...but he may need another year overseas to keep working on his reads...which won't happen because he's likely to be the #2 QB next season.

PREDICTION: Warner re-signs. McCown signs with Carolina, Miami or Detroit. Davey wins the backup job. Navarre is replaced by a draft pick.

BEST PLAN? No. If Davey is the #2...he'd better get good in a hurry, because Warner is likely to miss several games once again. The McCown debate is therefore apt to rage on for several years to come.

MY OPINION? Forget about Warner. Too injury prone, and didn't get it done in the red zone. I would make every effort to trade for Donovan McNabb. I believe that at the right price, he could be had. He's an Arizona resident in the off-season and would be delighted to live in Arizona year round. If the price tag for McNabb is too steep, then I would do everything I could to trade up with New Orleans to draft Matt Leinart. This organization absolutlely needs a franchise QB who the team can build around for the next five to six years. I would be prepared to offer two #1 draft picks and Leonard Davis, if need be.
 
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In the wings the team has John Navarre and Rohan Davey signed for next year. Navarre looked terribly rusty and out of sync in his cameo appearance this year. He also showed a tendency to throw sidearm, which negates a great deal of his size and arm strength. Navarre clearly needs to work on his feet and needs to sense pressure so that he can sidestep it and set his feet to make strikes down the field. Righ now John Navarre needs to discover how badly he wants to be an NFL QB.

As for Rohan Davey, here's a guy with a major league arm, but showed a poor understanding of how to read defenses when he was playing at New England. Davey already starred one season in NFL Europe...but he may need another year overseas to keep working on his reads...which won't happen because he's likely to be the #2 QB next season.

PREDICTION: Warner re-signs. McCown signs with Carolina, Miami or Detroit. Davey wins the backup job. Navarre is replaced by a draft pick.

BEST PLAN? No. If Davey is the #2...he'd better get good in a hurry, because Warner is likely to miss several games once again. The McCown debate is likely to rage on for several years to come.

Wasn't Davey cut when Warner came back from his first injury? So what would lead you to believe he would have a chance next season?
 
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BEST PLAN? No. If Davey is the #2...he'd better get good in a hurry, because Warner is likely to miss several games once again. The McCown debate is likely to rage on for several years to come.

Here is the typical Cardinal moment waiting to happen.

We should have a vastly improved team next year, the O line will get addressed or people need to be fired.

The problem I see now is that with Josh gone, here we go again with no viable backup.

Davey might be good eventually, next year though what probably will happen is Kurt will go down for some key games that we will lose because he is gone and yet another season will fall by the wayside.

Here's what I'd like to see, sign Warner, sign a veteran backup and draft someone like Cutler and put Davey on the PS if possible, if not then bye bye Davey.

That wont happen though and more than likely it'll bite us.
 
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Marcel Shipp is a workhorse who made incredible progress battling back from serious legs injuries. Give him an improved offensive line and he can put up good numbers. Shipp breaks tackles and he's quicker than he gets credit for...look at the way he scooted for extra yards in yesterday's game, for example. He's a tough-nosed blocker in pass protection and a sure handed receiver out of the backfield.

JJ Arrington has the speed and suddenness that Shipp lacks. As he becomes more and more accustomed to the speed of the NFL game, he will improve, just as Thomas Jones has. Few running backs hit the NFL in stride...they just need some time...and some patience. An improved offensive line will do wonders for Arrington as well.

At FB, the team needs a pure blocker. James Hodgins was showing a more concerted effort to be the blocking FB this past pre-season, but he succumbed to injury once again. Obafemi Ayanbadejo is a fine pass catching FB, but with Arrington on the roster, the team has a better option than Femi as the third down back. Plus, Femi's special teams production waned this past season. He needs to pick that aspect of his game up in order to stick next year. Harold Morrow was a disappointment on special team which was supposed to be his forte, there's no kinder way of putting it.

PREDICTION: Green will likely add RB Michael Bennett this off-season. Bennett is quick home-run hitter, but oft-injured, and not especially tough. Yet, he's one of Green's favorites and maybe the change of climate would do Bennett well. Shipp and Arrington will garner significant playing time...and the team will likely add the blocking FB it needs, possibly in the draft.

BEST MOVE? No. What the team will get from Bennett, it should be able to get from Arrington. When all is said and done, the stalwart of the group will remain Marcel Shipp.

MY OPINION? If the team adds a RB, it should be a big bruising chainmover to complement Shipp and Arrington. The team actually missed Troy Hambrick in that role this year.
 
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The only thing the team needs to add to the prolific and potentially stellar tandem of Larry Fitzgerald, Anquan Boldin, Bryant Johnson and LeRon McCoy is a quick, speedy punt returner/slot receiver...and I am hoping the team will have an opportunity to snag Will Blackmon from Boston College in the upcoming draft for that role. Blackmon can also play DB, which makes his versatility a major asset.

Fitz and Q were outstanding this past season and are perfect compliments of one another. Fitz has such good range and hands...and is a TD magnet. Boldin is a tough as they come and may be the most talented RAC WR in the game today. They both show strong leadership ability as well, in different, yet effective ways.

Bryant Johnson made strides the last half of this season and there's no question his best football is ahead of him. Any talk of trading him should be squelched. The team needs his speed and versaility...and should be happy with the depth he provides.

McCoy is a pleasant surprise. Some of Boldin's moxie appears to be rubbing off on this young man. He's got the size and speed ratio that teams covet...and apparently the toughness to go with it.

Carlysle Holiday may be the answer as the #5 WR if he can develop as a return man. He's a superb athlete, no question.

Dan Sheldon is still in the mix...and perhaps with a good off-season he can challenge for the return role. He is a quick scatterbug and is hard to hit.

At TE, one has to be impressed with the progress Adam Bergen made this season. He's starting to feel comfortable and confident...and has the size, speed and hands to be a consistent performer over the middle and into the seams and flats. His blocking has improved as well.

Eric Edwards is a first-rate competitor...a smart, tough battler, who has soft hands. He looks like a keeper.

John Bronson would appear to be the perfect #3 TE because he's a good short-yardage blocker and potentially a very good special teams player. Here is a young man who possesses exceptional physical talents.

There are some good TEs in this draft...but it would seem unlikely that the team will use a first day draft pick on a TE. But a TE the Cardinals may be able to snag early in day two is, IMO, one of the real sleepers in this draft: Joe Klopfenstein (6-5, 240) from Colorado. This kid has serious wheeles for his size. If he's sitting there early in the 4th round, he may be an excellent selection.

PREDICTION: Green keeps the WR unit intact and adds a punt returner either in free agency or in the draft. He may add a TE as well in the draft if Klopfenstein or a player like him is sitting there in round four.

GOOD MOVE? Yes. Emphatically.
 

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Fred Beasley is out in SF and would be a nice pickup. He's 31 but he can still block and catch the ball, and he'd love to play SF twice. Only question on him is his personality, he alienated a lot of players this past couple of years in SF, is that because he wants to win, or because he's a jerk?
 

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Mitch said:
Marcel Shipp is a workhorse who made incredible progress battling back from serious legs injuries. Give him an improved offensive line and he can put up good numbers. Shipp breaks tackles and he's quicker than he gets credit for...look at the way he scooted for extra yards in yesterday's game, for example. He's a tough-nosed blocker in pass protection and a sure handed receiver out of the backfield.

JJ Arrington has the speed and suddenness that Shipp lacks. As he becomes more and more accustomed to the speed of the NFL game, he will improve, just as Thomas Jones has. Few running backs hit the NFL in stride...they just need some time...and some patience. An improved offensive line will do wonders for Arrington as well.

At FB, the team needs a pure blocker. James Hodgins was showing a more concerted effort to be the blocking FB this past pre-season, but he succumbed to injury once again. Obafemi Ayanbadejo is a fine pass catching FB, but with Arrington on the roster, the team has a better option than Femi as the third down back. Plus, Femi's special teams production waned this past season. He needs to pick that aspect of his game up in order to stick next year. Harold Morrow was a disappointment on special team which was supposed to be his forte, there's no kinder way of putting it.

PREDICTION: Green will likely add RB Michael Bennett this off-season. Bennett is quick home-run hitter, but oft-injured, and not especially tough. Yet, he's one of Green's favorites and maybe the change of climate would do Bennett well. Shipp and Arrington will garner significant playing time...and the team will likely add the blocking FB it needs, possibly in the draft.

BEST MOVE? No. What the team will get from Bennett, it should be able to get from Arrington. When all is said and done, the stalwart of the group will remain Marcel Shipp.

MY OPINION? If the team adds a RB, it should be a big bruising chainmover to complement Shipp and Arrington. The team actually missed Troy Hambrick in that role this year.

Wouldn't the improved offensive line you predict also benefit the "oft injured" Warner as well? If the runningbacks are getting hit less in the backfield it only stands to reason that Warner would get hit less as well. And if the Cardinals sign Bennet as you predict how do you expect Arrington and Shipp to both "garner significant playing time".

Lots of contradictions....
 
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I would be happy to see the Cards sign both Warner and McCown. Warner will continue to have injury problems and McCown has proved more than adequate as the #2. In fact as we all know, McCown's W-L record is better than any Cardinal QB since Lomax.

But unfortunately this is not likely to happen. Warner will be re-signed as the starter, Navarre and Davey or perhaps draftee will fill the remaining slots. Then, when Warner goes down the Cardinals will be worse off than this past year with McCown.

Cardinals and Cardinals fans will regret that McCown was not re-signed. :(

Michael Bennett is not the answer for the Cardinals as RB...

Cardinals are solid at WR! Compliments to Q and Fitz!
 
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Wouldn't the improved offensive line you predict also benefit the "oft injured" Warner as well? If the runningbacks are getting hit less in the backfield it only stands to reason that Warner would get hit less as well. And if the Cardinals sign Bennet as you predict how do you expect Arrington and Shipp to both "garner significant playing time".

Lots of contradictions....

QBs are bound to get hit several times a game, regardless of how good the o-line is. At Warner's age, he's a little brittle, especially in the legs. Warner hasn't played a full season in five years...partly due to injury and partly due to benching.

Arrington and Shipp will garner significant playing time...because Bennett is injury prone. That's not a contradiction. You know, every year, people start counting out Marcel Shipp...and every year, save last year when he was hurt, he has garnered significant playing time, and deservedly so. There's no reason to believe this will change...and regardless of what other RBs are on the roster, JJ Arrington is going to get his fair share of touches.
 

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Mitch said:
Arrington and Shipp will garner significant playing time...because Bennett is injury prone. That's not a contradiction. You know, every year, people start counting out Marcel Shipp...and every year, save last year when he was hurt, he has garnered significant playing time, and deservedly so. There's no reason to believe this will change...and regardless of what other RBs are on the roster, JJ Arrington is going to get his fair share of touches.

My stone cold iron clad prediction of this offseason---Marcel Shipp will not be a Cardinal in 2006.
 

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QBs are bound to get hit several times a game, regardless of how good the o-line is. At Warner's age, he's a little brittle, especially in the legs. Warner hasn't played a full season in five years...partly due to injury and partly due to benching.

Arrington and Shipp will garner significant playing time...because Bennett is injury prone. That's not a contradiction. You know, every year, people start counting out Marcel Shipp...and every year, save last year when he was hurt, he has garnered significant playing time, and deservedly so. There's no reason to believe this will change...and regardless of what other RBs are on the roster, JJ Arrington is going to get his fair share of touches.

Mitch,

I respect your opinions. But, I think your affection for Shipp has blurred your judgment. The fact that he played more doesn't speak well for him, it speaks poorly of Arrington.

"breaks tackles and is quicker than he's given credit for."

How many times did he get nailed behind the LOS because he wasn't fast enough to get the corner or hit the hole? Surely you saw those plays, didn't you?
 
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Well, we all know that this is the area of the football team that needs the greatest attention in the off-season. The question is: what changes will be made.

The one player who would seem like a lock to start where he currently is...C Nick Leckey. Smart, fundamental and competitive, Leckey did a wonderful job of solidifying the center position when he was inserted into the starting lineup.

Big Leonard...we are all too familiar with the LT-LG debate...Davis performed reasonably well at LT this season, save his penchant for forgetting the snap count. Yet, did Davis really dominate his position? Not in the running game, primarily because he was out-quicked by DEs who wouldn't let Leonard engage them at the line of scrimmage. As a pass protector Davis played well...consistently well. Kudos there, #75.

The other question is: what kind of a leader is Davis? The answer seems to be that he is not much of a leader. As the premier player and most highly paid performer on the line, shouldn't he be the leader of the unit?

Davis has the girth and strength to block ANY defensive lineman in the NFL. The Cardinal's primary problem was their guards could not block the average to better than average DTs they faced...which made Davis playing at tackle all the more tantalizing. When the Cardinals find themselves unable at guard to block good DTs...Leonard Davis becomes more valuable at guard, because he can.

On the other side, Oliver Ross, struggled whether he was healthy or not. He lacks good feet and does what o-linemen are taught not to do: lunge. It will be interesting to see what the team will do with Ross. Will they hope he rebounds? Will they release him and swallow his signing bonus? Will they shift him to guard? Hard to figure at this point. Green will probably stick with Ross as his RT. That may be a huge mistake.

Elton Brown has the biggest upside of any of the Cardinal guards...he's young and strong, but is susceptible to getting beat by rip and swim moves from quick DTs. Brown has pretty good feet, but loses his base (balance) too readily...which he is likely to improve during the off-season.

Fred Wakefield proved to be a serviceable and valuable backup. He's a lunch pail worker and an aggressive player...but his size and body frame are not ideally suited for playing the o-line...one sees this when Wakefield tries to gain leverage in the running game...he's mostly all arms, which is easy to counter.

Alex Stepanovich will need to try to crack the starting lineup at guard or right tackle. Step is strong and has solid technique...he understands leverage and can establish it when he beats his man off the ball properly and keeps his feet moving. He may be a forgotten man right now with Leckey moving ahead of him at center, but he may surprise next year...and maybe at right tackle if Ross continues to struggle.

Reggie Wells' best chance of being a starter in the NFL are at Center and right tackle...where he can use his agility and good footwork to his advantage. This kisd is smart too.

Adam Haayer and Jeremy Bridges worked hard as spot starters...but lack the strength and technique to get the job done in the running game. Both have some pass blocking ability. Yet, this team needs guards who can spring the run. not stifle it.

PREDICTION: Green will keep LD at LT...he will sign a free agent guard...Leckey and Brown will start at C and RG...he will start with Ross at RT...but a RT may be added during the first day of the draft, perhaps Alex Stenovich of Michigan in round three.

BEST MOVE? Depends on who the free agent guard is. If he's good and Brown is a year stronger and savvier, yes...assuming Ross works hard to prove the naysayers wrong.

MY OPINION? If it were up to me I would move Leonard Davis to LG, sign two free agent o-linemen, preferrably LT Jeff Backus and RG LeCharles Bentley. Then I would draft one of the good tackles in this year's draft on the first day...in case Ross doesn't improve. I also have a sneaking suspicion that Stepanovich and Wells may be better at RT than we think.
 
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Well, we all know that this is the area of the football team that needs the greatest attention in the off-season. The question is: what changes will be made.

The one player who would seem like a lock to start where he currently is...C Nick Leckey. Smart, fundamental and competitive, Leckey did a wonderful job of solidifying the center position when he was inserted into the starting lineup.

Big Leonard...we are all too familiar with the LT-LG debate...Davis performed reasonably well at LT this season, save his penchant for forgetting the snap count. Yet, did Davis really dominate his position? Not in the running game, primarily because he was out-quicked by DEs who wouldn't let Leonard engage them at the line of scrimmage. As a pass protector Davis played well...consistently well. Kudos there, #75.

The other question is: what kind of a leader is Davis? The answer seems to be that he is not much of a leader. As the premier player and most highly paid performer on the line, shouldn't he be the leader of the unit?

Davis has the girth and strength to block ANY defensive lineman in the NFL. The Cardinal's primary problem was their guards could not block the average to better than average DTs they faced...which made Davis playing at tackle all the more tantalizing. When the Cardinals find themselves unable at guard to block good DTs...Leonard Davis becomes more valuable at guard, because he can.

On the other side, Oliver Ross, struggled whether he was healthy or not. He lacks good feet and does what o-linemen are taught not to do: lunge. It will be interesting to see what the team will do with Ross. Will they hope he rebounds? Will they release him and swallow his signing bonus? Will they shift him to guard? Hard to figure at this point. Green will probably stick with Ross as his RT. That may be a huge mistake.

Elton Brown has the biggest upside of any of the Cardinal guards...he's young and strong, but is susceptible to getting beat by rip and swim moves from quick DTs. Brown has pretty good feet, but loses his base (balance) too readily...which he is likely to improve during the off-season.

Fred Wakefield proved to be a serviceable and valuable backup. He's a lunch pail worker and an aggressive player...but his size and body frame are not ideally suited for playing the o-line...one sees this when Wakefield tries to gain leverage in the running game...he's mostly all arms, which is easy to counter.

Alex Stepanovich will need to try to crack the starting lineup at guard or right tackle. Step is strong and has solid technique...he understands leverage and can establish it when he beats his man off the ball properly and keeps his feet moving. He may be a forgotten man right now with Leckey moving ahead of him at center, but he may surprise next year...and maybe at right tackle if Ross continues to struggle.

Reggie Wells' best chance of being a starter in the NFL are at Center and right tackle...where he can use his agility and good footwork to his advantage. This kisd is smart too.

Adam Haayer and Jeremy Bridges worked hard as spot starters...but lack the strength and technique to get the job done in the running game. Both have some pass blocking ability. Yet, this team needs guards who can spring the run. not stifle it.

PREDICTION: Green will keep LD at LT...he will sign a free agent guard...Leckey and Brown will start at C and RG...he will start with Ross at RT...but a RT may be added during the first day of the draft, perhaps Alex Stenovich of Michigan in round three.

BEST MOVE? Depends on who the free agent guard is. If he's good and Brown is a year stronger and savvier, yes...assuming Ross works hard to prove the naysayers wrong.

MY OPINION? If it were up to me I would move Leonard Davis to LG, sign two free agent o-linemen, preferrably LT Jeff Backus and RG LeCharles Bentley. Then I would draft one of the good tackles in this year's draft on the first day...in case Ross doesn't improve. I also have a sneaking suspicion that Stepanovich and Wells may be better at RT than we think.


I'm no expert at Oline critique and don't plan on getting good at it, that dosen't mean I can't see that as we are now we stink.

Curiously at times our pass blocking is more than adequate, at times it's even good.

That leads me to believe that our run blocking isn't just lack of talent, something about it allows DT's to just blast through gaps and early on in the season this was figured out and we never were able to stop that so teams just do it over and over again.

It's been mentioned that our schemes are a bit dated, things change fast in the NFL and as of now, Big is pretty outdated himself, your left tackle should be the most athletic player on your line, quickest feet, strong but mostly just a solid player. Big leans more to raw power and less to athletic ability.

I think at some point you need someone elses's opinion. I think we need a new voice, new set of eyes to look at our line and blow it up again. The thing is this time please let that person be great at their job. I and everyone else that slightly cares about this team is sick and tired of talking about our Oline year after year.

Hire someone to fix it and let them fix it.
 

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Marcel Shipp is a workhorse who made incredible progress battling back from serious legs injuries. Give him an improved offensive line and he can put up good numbers. Shipp breaks tackles and he's quicker than he gets credit for...look at the way he scooted for extra yards in yesterday's game, for example. He's a tough-nosed blocker in pass protection and a sure handed receiver out of the backfield.

Stop it, Mitch. Marcel Shipp hasn't scored a touchdown in more than 1281 carries. More than 1350 touches without a TD. The guy obviously no longer deserves a roster spot in the NFL. Plenty of guys with a lot of heart are selling insurance. Shipp carries a $1.8 million cap charge next season. That money can be much better spent. Runningbacks in the NFL aren't paid to be role models. They're paid to gain yards and score touchdowns. Shipp hasn't done much of the former and any of the latter for three years. 2.9 ypc this season doesn't buy you another season when you're a 5 year veteran.
 

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I'm no expert at Oline critique and don't plan on getting good at it, that dosen't mean I can't see that as we are now we stink.

Curiously at times our pass blocking is more than adequate, at times it's even good.

That leads me to believe that our run blocking isn't just lack of talent, something about it allows DT's to just blast through gaps and early on in the season this was figured out and we never were able to stop that so teams just do it over and over again.

It's been mentioned that our schemes are a bit dated, things change fast in the NFL and as of now, Big is pretty outdated himself, your left tackle should be the most athletic player on your line, quickest feet, strong but mostly just a solid player. Big leans more to raw power and less to athletic ability.

I think at some point you need someone elses's opinion. I think we need a new voice, new set of eyes to look at our line and blow it up again. The thing is this time please let that person be great at their job. I and everyone else that slightly cares about this team is sick and tired of talking about our Oline year after year.

Hire someone to fix it and let them fix it.

Hear ye hear ye!!!!:thumbup:
 

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Really if worse comes to worse, we still have Redmond.... LOL.. Could fill a role as 3rd down back...
 

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Fiasco said:
Wouldn't the improved offensive line you predict also benefit the "oft injured" Warner as well? If the runningbacks are getting hit less in the backfield it only stands to reason that Warner would get hit less as well. And if the Cardinals sign Bennet as you predict how do you expect Arrington and Shipp to both "garner significant playing time".

Lots of contradictions....

His first injury came with no one around him. He has the injury prone label thrown at him for a reason
 

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Evil Ash said:
His first injury came with no one around him.

Not debating if he is injury prone or not, but most strains, pulls, tears come when there are no players around them but rather just running not from hits.
 

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kerouac9 said:
Stop it, Mitch. Marcel Shipp hasn't scored a touchdown in more than 1281 carries. More than 1350 touches without a TD. The guy obviously no longer deserves a roster spot in the NFL. Plenty of guys with a lot of heart are selling insurance. Shipp carries a $1.8 million cap charge next season. That money can be much better spent. Runningbacks in the NFL aren't paid to be role models. They're paid to gain yards and score touchdowns. Shipp hasn't done much of the former and any of the latter for three years. 2.9 ypc this season doesn't buy you another season when you're a 5 year veteran.


Where the heck did you come up with no TD's in 1281 carries/1350 touches???

12/15/02 @ St. Louis, had 2 rushing TD's and a recieving TD.

12/16/02 thru rest of 02 - 37 rushes, 5 rec.

2003 - 228 rushes, 30 rec.
2004 - did not play
2005 - 157 rushes, 35 rec.

total from last TD - 422 rushes, total touches since last TD 492, still not a very good #, but not even close to what you had listed at 1281 carries and 1350 touches.
 

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JasonKGME said:
Where the heck did you come up with no TD's in 1281 carries/1350 touches???

12/15/02 @ St. Louis, had 2 rushing TD's and a recieving TD.

12/16/02 thru rest of 02 - 37 rushes, 5 rec.

2003 - 228 rushes, 30 rec.
2004 - did not play
2005 - 157 rushes, 35 rec.

total from last TD - 422 rushes, total touches since last TD 492, still not a very good #, but not even close to what you had listed at 1281 carries and 1350 touches.

Sorry. It was 1281 rushing yards without a touchdown, and 1350 total yards without one. But, you know, he did score a touchdown over 36 months ago. Maybe he goes and visits the end zone after games. So that he remembers where it is. :shrug:
 

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Mitch said:
QBs are bound to get hit several times a game, regardless of how good the o-line is. At Warner's age, he's a little brittle, especially in the legs. Warner hasn't played a full season in five years...partly due to injury and partly due to benching.

Arrington and Shipp will garner significant playing time...because Bennett is injury prone. That's not a contradiction. You know, every year, people start counting out Marcel Shipp...and every year, save last year when he was hurt, he has garnered significant playing time, and deservedly so. There's no reason to believe this will change...and regardless of what other RBs are on the roster, JJ Arrington is going to get his fair share of touches.

If by "significant playing time" you mean standing on the field when the play happens you may be correct. Unless there is a significant shift in play call balance in '06 no RB will get his "fair share" of touches unless it's a reception. The Cardinals brought up the rear in regular season rush attempts in '05.

The Cardinals pass heavy offense completely dwarfs the second place team in regular season passing by nearly 110 attempts. Assuming that this play call imbalance is corrected and the running backs get the fair share of touches you insist that they will... wouldn't this also help with the perceived Warner "fragility" problem? A thirty or fourty percent reduction in pass attempts IMHO would exponentially increase any quarterbacks chance of surviving a 16 game season unscathed regardless of age.

IMHO Warner has two years left in the tank, one as the '06 starter and one as the '07 "franchise QB" mentor.
 

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Fiasco said:
If by "significant playing time" you mean standing on the field when the play happens you may be correct. Unless there is a significant shift in play call balance in '06 no RB will get his "fair share" of touches unless it's a reception. The Cardinals brought up the rear in regular season rush attempts in '05.

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Green talked about that a lot in the press conference. He said he hopes they never again have to throw that much. He openly said the run blocking was so bad and the run game so ineffective that they had to pass. And that since the pass blocking was pretty good, they kept throwing. He said he hated to throw that much.
 

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Step should not be starting anywhere on this line in 06, if he does something is wrong. My sleeper for RT is Blalock if he declares in the 2nd round.

Shipp stinks, K9 is right.
 

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McCown signs with Carolina, Miami or Detroit.

What about Arizona? Whenever a free-agent anything hits the market I see their name in the mix.
 
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Defensive Line

The Cardinals return perhaps their best talent and depth ever on the defensive line. Bertrand Berry and Chike Okeafor form a prolific tandem at defensive end. Berry is one of the league's rare players who can take over a game from the defensive end. He is a relentless and determined pass rusher who possesses an arsenal of moves and counter moves. Okeafor has the cat-like quickness to the ball that coaches love...he relies more on speed than Berry, which sometimes forces him to overrun the pocket...but even then his presence is disruptive. Okeafor needs to sit down better on running plays right at him...but his lateral quickness to the ball on plays away from him is excellent.

Calvin Pace was showing tremendous progress this season until his freak accident. Pace shows he quickness to be an effective edge rusher and the strength to hold his ground at the point of attack, where he makes his fair share of stops. Getting rid of Pace due to the freak accident would be a major mistake. The team is finally becoming deep for the first time in ages...dumping a young, up-and-coming talent like Pace would be foolish. On the other side, one has to be impressed with Antonio Smith's progress. His combination of quickness and strength is noteworthy...as is his new-found aggressiveness. Smith is now a keeper...and has proven that he can be a productive starter in this league.

The defensive tackle positions are in major flux at this time. Darnell Dockett is an aggressive young talent, but he's easily influenced at the line of scrimmage and he hasn't shown a penchant for finishing off plays. Yet...Dockett is often close...and if he can get stronger and become a more fundamental tackler during the off-season, Dockett could turn in a stellar performance in 2006. His quickness and size to speed ratio are ideally suited for the under-tackle role. The same could be said about Kenny King, if he will ever make it back to the playing field. What a nice surprise it would be for the team to be able to tap into King's talents this year. The other UT on the current roster is Ross Kolodziej, a classic overachiever who hustles like a madman to make up for less than average physical skills. Playing Kolodziej at NT was far-fetched...he was shark bait whenever he lined up in the awkward off-set nose position. What made matters worse is that Kolodziej didn't even try to collapse double teams, by sitting down in them...opting instead to get swept away like a small log in heavy surf. There will likely still be a place on the roster for a hustler like Kolodziej, as long as he find a way to contribute more on special teams...as a spot player at UT, he's pretty solid.

At NT the team is undermanned. Incumbent starter Russell Davis was sidelined for the season very early on this past year. Davis, even when healthy, is not ideally suited to play NT, because he lacks the girth and strength to nullify guard-center double teams...in fact there are times when Davis either gets knocked straight backward into the LBers or he gets swept down the line of scrimmage like he's on roller skates. Two years ago, Davis played himself into shape and was more effective in his role down the stretch...and even started to show some pass rushing improvement. One has to wonder, however, just how physically suited Davis is to perform consistently well in this defense's off-set (slant) nose tackle role. Behind Davis...Langston Moore was added through waivers from the Bengals and looked to be the most promising player at the position until he landed on the IR. Moore is a widebody...and a player who stands his ground and keeps his head on the ball. Stamina is an issue with Moore...thus if he can stick to the conditioning program this off-season, he might turn in a very solid 2006 campaign. And then there's Tim Bulman, who is a little undersized to play NT in this scheme, but makes up for it by being very physical at the point of attack...he spins off of blocks...and he is a textbook tackler for a defensive lineman. Don't count this second year pro out. Bulman is very competitive.

Look for the team to add a run-stuffing NT to the mix, either through free agency or the draft. Landing someone like Ted Washington could make the Cardinals' defensive line the most talented in the NFL.
 
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