Rajon Rondo was sold to the Celtics for $350k

[slinslin]

Hmm probably, I was a huge fan of Rondo on draft night already. Point Guards are very hard to judge based on just NCAA play.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Unless my math is off, certainly more substantial than 350k.

I guess... but in the NBA, usually when you're selling off draft picks to save money, teams are usually trying to get themselves out from under something a little more substantial than a vet minimum contract, like the KT deal (8 million) or Googs deal... or a Marcus Banks deal... or a Derek Fisher type deal like the Lakers did this season. 1 million bucks in savings to unload a first round pick doesn't seem that substantial in NBA terms. at least not to me.

 

[Chaplin]

I guess... but in the NBA, usually when you're selling off draft picks to save money, teams are usually trying to get themselves out from under something a little more substantial than a vet minimum contract, like the KT deal (8 million) or Googs deal... or a Marcus Banks deal... or a Derek Fisher type deal like the Lakers did this season. 1 million bucks in savings to unload a first round pick doesn't seem that substantial in NBA terms. at least not to me.

Also guessing that it's more substantial to a brand-new ownership group than if it was someone that's been doing business for awhile.

 

[Joe Mama]

I'm fairly sure there were salary cap implications in that Brian Grant deal, and didn't we also get a future first?

Joe

 

[CardsFan88]

Sign bad players. Trade picks away to get rid of said bad players. Sign/trade for more (give up too much). Trade away more picks to save $$$ on bad moves. Sell more draft picks.

Googs trade was horrendous. He had a high salary, but we'd already paid most of it by that point in the season. He was literally months away from the contract expiring. It wasn't saving for it for the next 2-3 years, just 2-3 months. I think, and it is a guess, that they prorate it, thus we probably didn't save a whole lot through the luxury tax. I can't remember what it was but if he was owed 12 and we'd already paid 8, then odds are we saved the 4 + 2. Chump change for NBA teams. We probably spent 30 million covering for what we lost from those picks by signing horrible players.

Here's a little known fact. The Suns had the most 1st round draft picks in at least the first 9 years of the 2000's, maybe the entire decade. The sad thing, we drafted the fewest. The rest were 'savings'.

Imagine the money lost from sucking these past few years and what lies ahead of us. Odds are, it'll be a net negative. You don't sell draft picks. You don't sign average people to huge contracts. Imagine the money lost from the very possible championships $arver gave away. We were stocked with talent AND had the most picks in our back pocket. Now we have nothing but $arver's promise to get back to the top. His cost savings moves cost him more money than he saved. He took the savings first, then either squandered them by panicking and overpaying, or lost revenue because of reduced ticket sales, merchandise, fewer playoff games, no championship, etc. The worst for him is yet to come.

Now that the pressure is on to keep Nash, suddenly we are 'not going to sign people just to sign people'. Would have been nice to keep the studly talent that pretty much would have guaranteed more championships then the Spurs during the same span, but hey we needed to temporarily save money.

Amazing that we needed to 'reach' for people in free agency since we didn't draft anyone. Especially in need areas.

Amazing that everyone still talks about something MD' said which I believe we're taking a bit out of context. Weighting it FAR too much as I believe he later said something almost the opposite, or I like rookies or something. He might not have liked to play rookies over veterans, but to say we shouldn't keep our picks because of a single comment is the epitome of trying to fit a cause and and an effect together that have no bearing on each other to make supposed sense of it. Our team blew it, for $$$ they later and still will lose.

Plus let's not forget he's been gone a long time now, and no, just because your coach says something, doesn't mean you have to do it.

$arver runs the Suns like bankers run banks. Bankers don't know business, they know scams. We the fans are the sucker.

It's not ok that a young ownership doesn't know this or that, or their perception on money is this or that. (which is pretty funny as we KNOW how loose with money banks are for pure bets...but nooo $arver couldn't even take a chance on a real product)

The kicker is Kurt Thomas, who we paid I believe 2 first round picks FOR, and gave up 2 first round picks to get rid of. He was later traded, and still was in the league through last year. Washed up Kurt that we HAD to get rid of played like 3-5 more years after we got rid of him.

We are a joke who is counting on Steve Nash's kindness to keep us from perpetual 15-20 win seasons. We emptied the cupboard for $$$$, and now $arver will get his comeuppance, once Nash leaves. We are the $ucker$.

Rondo was mentioned highly if memory recalls that we might draft him. I think most people thought we were, and instead we had visions of temporary $$$ signs in our ownership's head.

He would have been good, maybe even better because he would have learned form Nash. Good players are going to be good regardless of anything else. It's the rare exception that somehow screws it up because 'he's a headcase'. With Nash in front of him, no way that happens. Starbury? Maybe. Nash. No.

The only puzzle we need to put together is that $arver $ucks and makes $$$ decisions before he gets wishy washy and then drops money on crap, before then he makes more $$$ decisions until we suck and have nothing left to trade away. We're about there.

 

[Mainstreet]

I'm fairly sure there were salary cap implications in that Brian Grant deal, and didn't we also get a future first?

Joe

Yes.

The Suns got a first round pick from Cleveland which in June 2007 was traded to Portland along with James Jones for cash considerations.

Money, money, money.

 

[ajcardfan]

That play he made to tip the ball out to Pietrus for the 3.... incredible to say the least.


The only play I can think of that was so instinctive, so uncoachable, and so great on that big of a stage was the play Derek Jeter made to get an out at home against the A's in the baseball playoffs one year.

And, I hate the friggin Celtics and Yankees.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Also guessing that it's more substantial to a brand-new ownership group than if it was someone that's been doing business for awhile.

maybe... but they had been running the team for two full seasons already. not exactly a brand new ownership group IMO.

 

[Chaplin]

maybe... but they had been running the team for two full seasons already. not exactly a brand new ownership group IMO.

Right when the economy starting going down the toilet? Not so sure...

 

[Cheesebeef]

Right when the economy starting going down the toilet? Not so sure...

but the team was making money hand over fist at that point. they were amongst the most profitable teams in the NBA in the first two years Sarver owned the team. And I don't believe the economy was going in the toilet in the summer of 2006. That didn't really come until a year later.

 

[Joe Mama]

but the team was making money hand over fist at that point. they were amongst the most profitable teams in the NBA in the first two years Sarver owned the team. And I don't believe the economy was going in the toilet in the summer of 2006. That didn't really come until a year later.

right, but I don't see what the problem is even if they only saved $1.6 million. They didn't see any players that were terribly excited about and they returned another first-round draft pick. This one wasn't like some of the other trades where they just flat out sold the pick.

 

[Kel Varnsen]

There is Mickael Pietrus, bought out in December to stay away at Suns players' request.

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/sports/sun...s-series-san-antonio-spurs.html#ixzz1x8uLC5h4

Just read this. What was the story here?

 

[Mainstreet]

Just read this. What was the story here?

My recollection is Pietrus did not want to play for the Suns thus he was not a good player to have around the team.

 

[Phrazbit]

Just read this. What was the story here?

I recall Peitrus exercising his player option and then immediately demanding a trade. I wish we had traded him to some godawful team like the Bobcats. Instead we were nice and paid him to leave (probably because no one would touch him at his salary).

 

[Mainstreet]

I recall Peitrus exercising his player option and then immediately demanding a trade. I wish we had traded him to some godawful team like the Bobcats. Instead we were nice and paid him to leave (probably because no one would touch him at his salary).

There was a trade to Toronto for a second round draft pick that fell through. There are probably some other tidbits as well.

 

[dodie53]

let. it. go.