Randy Moss could be on trading block

[Red Air Force]

Considerations -

1. Moss's proved production.

2. Moss's quirkiness, locker room chemistry etc.

3. Age difference. (Should we trade away a prime wideout with 5 - 10 years of mileage for equal or better talent who may only have 3 - 5 years left?)

Besides, I liken Dennis Green to a rolling stone - and you know what that means.

: )

Unfortuantely Quan doesnt have 5-10 years. He might have 5yrs left, and of those, maybe 2 productive years. I hate to say it, but these knee problems will continue to follow him ala Boston.

I'd give Quan, our #1, and possibly more for Bennet and Moss this year. He's a total jackass, but I do think could make it work. Without a doubt though, a corps of Moss Fitz, and Johnson is an improvement over Boldin Fitz and Johnson.

 

[Shane]

Unfortuantely Quan doesnt have 5-10 years. He might have 5yrs left, and of those, maybe 2 productive years. I hate to say it, but these knee problems will continue to follow him ala Boston.

I'd give Quan, our #1, and possibly more for Bennet and Moss this year. He's a total jackass, but I do think could make it work. Without a doubt though, a corps of Moss Fitz, and Johnson is an improvement over Boldin Fitz and Johnson.

WHat exactly do you base that OPINION on?

 

[Rats]

WHat exactly do you base that OPINION on?

I can see this opinion Shane. Q is very big and heavy for a Wr. His frame is not like a Muhammad that can carry the weight. I also think his style of running over people and punishing Lb and db is going to catch up with him at the NFL level. You can not question Q's heart but you have to question his durability. I think 5 more years at his current level is about right with sometime lost in there with injuries. Probably more than two productive years though. I say he loses at least a year and a half on his next contract to injury simpley because of his style of play. Alot of big receivers break down in this league.

 

[Shane]

I can see this opinion Shane. Q is very big and heavy for a Wr. His frame is not like a Muhammad that can carry the weight. I also think his style of running over people and punishing Lb and db is going to catch up with him at the NFL level. You can not question Q's heart but you have to question his durability. I think 5 more years at his current level is about right with sometime lost in there with injuries. Probably more than two productive years though. I say he loses at least a year and a half on his next contract to injury simpley because of his style of play. Alot of big receivers break down in this league.

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[azdad1978]

I can see this opinion Shane. Q is very big and heavy for a Wr.

Quan is only 5 pounds heavier than Hines Ward and 1 inch taller and Ward is still producing with his vicious blocks and still producing as a 1000 yards catcher.

 

[Rats]

Quan is only 5 pounds heavier than Hines Ward and 1 inch taller and Ward is still producing with his vicious blocks and still producing as a 1000 yards catcher.

Does Ward have a history of Knee injuries?

 

[Shane]

Does ward have a history of Knee injuries?

no. but by your standard he would be more apt to get one.

 

[azdad1978]

Does ward have a history of Knee injuries?

Never said he does but I'm basing it on what you said that Quan is big and heavy for a WR thats my comparison.

 

[Rats]

no. but by your standard he would be more apt to get one.

Maybe he is. I wouldn't know. However we know Q is because he has a history of knee injuries and has bulked up since last year. Boston wasn't a question until he had a knee injury either but he did have them after he bulked up to much. All I am saying is that the style of play that Q plays and his history of Knee injuries has to be a factor in his longevity as a top producing WR.

 

[az jam]

I just think that the Vikings will deal Moss in the off season. I do think that the Cardinals will be a "potential" trade partner along with several other teams. Truthfully, he is not a cancer on the team but does and says dumb things. IMO the media has overplayed these issues.

He loved playing for Denny. Denny did a much better job on "mentoring" him while Tice is an idiot who shoots his mouth off and actually makes things worse. Hoever, the bottom line from my viewpoint was not to get into a pro and con discussion on Moss's character as we all have opinions but just to state that I really think the Vikings will try to deal him this off season.

 

[danny l]

#1. Go read Jason Whitlock's article on Randy Moss on espn.com and then
tell me you're still in favor of having the big "C" on the Cardinals. By the
way Jason has always been a Moss supporter before this article.
#2. Moss is the antithesis of a Green football player.
#3. Moss is worse than Simion Rice.
#4. The Bidwills would more likely sell the team than bring Moss to Arizona for the above listed reasons without even getting into the salary they would have to pay the most selfish player in the NFL.

 

[azdad1978]

Maybe he is. I wouldn't know. However we know Q is because he has a history of knee injuries and has bulked up since last year. Boston wasn't a question until he had a knee injury either but he did have them after he bulked up to much. All I am saying is that the style of play that Q plays and his history of Knee injuries has to be a factor in his longevity as a top producing WR.

I don't get that comparison with Quan about bulking up. The guy came in the league weighting 215 and now he weights around 220 that would hurt him? You're weight comparison with Quan and Boldin is like apple and oranges.

 

[danny l]

Az Jam. The media has Not overblown the Moss disruptions, if anything they have been swept under the rug with a wink. This is not a recent thing with Moss look at the history of the incidents. High School, Florida State, NFL. Moss is the epitomyof what is wrong in pro sports and some of yopu want to bring him here.

 

[azdad1978]

#1. Go read Jason Whitlock's article on Randy Moss on espn.com and then tell me you're still in favor of having the big "C" on the Cardinals.

link?

 

[Rats]

I don't get that comparison with Quan about bulking up. The guy came in the league weighting 215 and now he weights around 220 that would hurt him? You're weight comparison with Quan and Boldin is like apple and oranges.

Thats fine, again all I am saying is that you have to factor in his history and his style of play when talking about his longevity. You were saying what lead us to believe he only had 5 productive years. The examples I gave are what leads me to believe it. Its just an opinion. He may be the superman we all believe him to be and can continue to get heavier and still play on his suspect wheels. But if I had the chance to get Moss I would do it.

 

[Mr.Dibbs]

You seriously would offer that in a trade if you were the GM? Give up nothing, get nothing.

Poole = 0 trade value.

I was trying to say that Moss isn't worth much.

 

[Russ Smith]

I think we should stay on this soapbox. The only way this should happen is if Q asks for Fitz type money and it is likely that he holds out. We need a running back with speed. Bennett would be a good fit here and Moss would instantly upgrade our offense. Nothing against Boldin but he can not do what Moss does. None of receivers can yet. I think as Fitz gets stronger he will be able to get behind receivers. .

Give Fitz as long as you want he will never be able to do what moss does. moss healthy is one of the 5 fastest players in the NFL, Fitz isn't in the top 100. Moss literally runs by people who know he's going deep. He can catch balls underneath all day because of the cushion he gets.

Fitz will never have that speed, unless we can rig the new field so it's a fast turf like Pitt's old stadium where he ran his 40's at.

 

[Rats]

Give Fitz as long as you want he will never be able to do what moss does. moss healthy is one of the 5 fastest players in the NFL, Fitz isn't in the top 100. Moss literally runs by people who know he's going deep. He can catch balls underneath all day because of the cushion he gets.

Fitz will never have that speed, unless we can rig the new field so it's a fast turf like Pitt's old stadium where he ran his 40's at.

I did not say that Fitz could eventually do what Moss does. I don't believe he can. I do however believe he will learn some things as his career goes on that will allow him to get behind db's. I think that is still what he is lacking good route running and secondary moves to make the db's react. I never said he would be another Moss. But he will be very good.

 

[Pariah]

I was trying to say that Moss isn't worth much.

oh, wait, you're serious? Sorry...

 

[Pariah]

Ahem....I'm okay....snort....giggle....

 

[RugbyMuffin]

This is the NFL not Madden 2004.

Moss would want a HUGE contract. He is in his prime, but has a really bad foot.

Boldin is young, and hungry. And cheaper.

THe Arizona 1st,2nd, and 3rd WR positions are set.

Go focus on talking about quarterbacks.

 

[Pariah]

This is the NFL not Madden 2004.

No?

 

[Evil Ash]

This is the NFL not Madden 2004.

Moss would want a HUGE contract. He is in his prime, but has a really bad foot.

He already has his huge contract. If we picked him up, we would only need to pay for his base salary (Minn would pay for his signing bonus)

Boldin is young, and hungry. And cheaper.

If we were going to try for Moss, I would hope they would try and keep Q

THe Arizona 1st,2nd, and 3rd WR positions are set.

1st yes, 2nd yes, 3rd maybe

Go focus on talking about quarterbacks.

RB is a bigger need. QB isn't even close to the top of the priority list.

 

[Stout]

I was trying to say that Moss isn't worth much.

You're high.

 

[HeavyB3]

You're high.

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