Rank 1-10 based on importance going forward…

[Totally_Red]

Ok, I can't ignore this.

1 - He is not versatile. He has been a near zero when not playing in the slot.

2 - He is not particularly fast by NFL standards.

3 - We run 11 personnel a ton so 3 WRs is the default. I will take the 8 mil in cost savings and roll with Rondale.

I will agree to disagree on this one.

The most important offseason item on the Cardinals to-do list is extending Kyler Murray. It isn't the most urgent, but it is the most important. In today's NFL, elite top 10 quarterbacks have a big say in who their receivers are. I don't think Kyler will be pleased if he sees the offseason start with a receiver who has spent three years building rapport and chemistry with depart for Detroit to catch passes from Jared Goff.

I think you are undervaluing Kirk. And I love Rondale, but his long-term durability is open to question.

Now I'll go back to agreeing with the rest of your posts.

 

[Chopper0080]

True, but each of those players (a) gives more to us over the course of an entire season so you could say in the aggregate they likely win us more games; and (b) colt likely ain’t beating the buccaneers in the playoffs but all those others would aggregate together to heighten our chances to do so.

It seems your colt argument supports raising the floor on the team whereas my support for the other players raises the ceiling.

My argument acknowledges the understanding of the impact QBs have on the game along with their backups. Few players on that list outside of McCoy have an impact on the team winning a game. If it was 3 years ago, Chandler would be higher but his impact has lessened. I have not seen a backup win a game for the Cardinals since Drew Stanton under Arians. Drew was not great, but he could win a regular season game if you needed him to. I did not see that with Hundley or Streveler despite having most of those other players on the list.

I am just done with the concept of giving away NFL games because we don't value a competent backup QB enough. We were likely a playoff team last year if we would have had better priorities.

 

[mncardfan1]

McCoy - security blanket for Kyler
Ertz - I think Williams is done
Kirk - at a reasonable price
Alford - cheap decent veteran CB
Edmonds or Conner - we cannot pay them both. RB is where we need to save money with a rookie or serviceable veteran. Spend $ on the O line!
Gardeck - love this guy, but has to be a low cost

Don't want Back:
Jones (higher cost, lower productivity)
Williams, I think his career might be over
Green, for 8 million, you gotta turn around man. There are other WR that are younger and cost less.
Edmonds or Conner - see above

 

[Krangodnzr]

I started writing a long post on this a couple of days ago but figured it might be a downer. It's going to be tough to stay good next year with the amount of players who are FA. Only 31 signed at the moment and $28m to fill the gaps.

These guys (McCoy aside) are just the starters. There's also Peters, Garcia, Daniels, Harris, Brewer, Andy Lee and Zeke Turner.

These are their market lower and upper market values as I see it.

Kirk $12-$14m
Ertz $5-$8m
McCoy $2-$4m
Conner $5-$7m
Edmonds $5-$7m
Gardeck $4-$6m
Williams $4-$6m
Alford $3-$6m
Jones $16-$22m
Green $9-$12m

That's a lot of money.

We can stretch the cap space. I reckon between Nuk, Hump, Budda we can free up another $15-$20m maybe but thats kicking it down the road. Can get $6m back from cutting Kennard. We could recoup $10m from cutting Pugh. $6m from cutting Hicks. $2.5m from cutting Justin Murray.

So we can definitely resign a bunch of guys but it's going to be a tough offseason for Keim and the cap manager.

CJ is the obvious odd man out. Just don;t see how we can afford that cap hit on a guy thats hot and cold.

I'd walk away from Chandler Jones and sign a young vet edge who has upside and draft a kid late round one.

I'd put a priority on trying to keep both Kirk AND AJ Green. My thinking is that you can tell Kyler loves throwing to a big target for 50/50 balls, and Kirk unlocks the slot. Moore and Kirk are very different players.

Ertz can come back if the contract is reasonable.

I'd probably try to resign Conner and let Chase walk. Chase's skill set is more abundant coming from the NCAA. Many of the college power backs aren't tough enough in the NFL.

I agree with @Chopper0080 , McCoy should be the top priority. I'd try to make McCoy the Cardinals long term backup QB.

Gardeck shouldn't be too expensive because he will be one year removed from his ACL tear and I'd bring him back on a short term deal.

Alford is another guy to keep and offer a vet minimum type deal.

 

[GatorAZ]

I'd walk away from Chandler Jones and sign a young vet edge who has upside and draft a kid late round one.

I'd put a priority on trying to keep both Kirk AND AJ Green. My thinking is that you can tell Kyler loves throwing to a big target for 50/50 balls, and Kirk unlocks the slot. Moore and Kirk are very different players.

Ertz can come back if the contract is reasonable.

I'd probably try to resign Conner and let Chase walk. Chase's skill set is more abundant coming from the NCAA. Many of the college power backs aren't tough enough in the NFL.

I agree with @Chopper0080 , McCoy should be the top priority. I'd try to make McCoy the Cardinals long term backup QB.

Gardeck shouldn't be too expensive because he will be one year removed from his ACL tear and I'd bring him back on a short term deal.

Alford is another guy to keep and offer a vet minimum type deal.

Even though he’s past his peak letting go of CJ is dangerous. Last year they were fine but that was with Reddick and Gardeck doing historic things in sack per-rush opportunities. I think he gets Transition Tag’d and they draft a pass rusher early.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Even though he’s past his peak letting go of CJ is dangerous. Last year they were fine but that was with Reddick and Gardeck doing historic things in sack per-rush opportunities. I think he gets Transition Tag’d and they draft a pass rusher early.

I wouldn't let him go with no answer. Bring in a young vet and draft a guy. I'm a big fan of addressing a hole with a multitude of players. That's why the CB room wasn't sunk this offseason.

 

[BritCard]

I wouldn't let him go with no answer. Bring in a young vet and draft a guy. I'm a big fan of addressing a hole with a multitude of players. That's why the CB room wasn't sunk this offseason.

Gardeck is about the best young FA next year. The edge FA group next year is like a retirement party.

The draft class is good though. I'd be tempted to double dip.

I'm surprised Dimukeje hasn't had more snaps in garbage time. We have had plenty of it available and he's only had 4 snaps vs the Titans and 11 vs Texans.

 

[BritCard]

Even though he’s past his peak letting go of CJ is dangerous. Last year they were fine but that was with Reddick and Gardeck doing historic things in sack per-rush opportunities. I think he gets Transition Tag’d and they draft a pass rusher early.

We said the same about Fitz and P2 and thrived without them. We were good on the D line last year without him.

And CJ has been a massive liability vs the run. I'd be fine with keeping him if it wasn't going to cost so much and our cap space wasn't so tight. Time to move on.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

We said the same about Fitz and P2 and thrived without them. We were good on the D line last year without him.

And CJ has been a massive liability vs the run. I'd be fine with keeping him if it wasn't going to cost so much and our cap space wasn't so tight. Time to move on.

Do you have stats to back that up? Seems like a lot of our big runs we have given up have been right up the middle, and not the left side.

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

1. McCoy - knows system and players, don't expect Murray to ever last 17 straight games without some injury.

2. Ertz - We have wanted a TE it seems forever.

3. Conner - falling in love with this guy's effort every play.

4. Kirk - solid player, improves yearly, familiarity a plus

I could go on, but I am old and don't have that much time left.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

1 - Conner
2 - Jones (or have replacement in tow)
3 - Kirk
4 - Ertz
5 - take your pick.

 

[Jetstream Green]

1 - Colt McCoy
2 - Chandler Jones
3 - Zack Ertz
4 - James Conner
5 - Robert Alford
6 - Maxx Williams
7 - Dennis Gardeck
8 - Christian Kirk
9 - Chase Edmonds
10 - AJ Green

I would flip Conner with Ertz and put Gardeck at the end, but pretty much that right there... you have to have McCoy at the front as some pointed out because in these long arse seasons your starter is doubtful to play every game and this offense fits McCoy to a T

 

[GatorAZ]

We said the same about Fitz and P2 and thrived without them. We were good on the D line last year without him.

And CJ has been a massive liability vs the run. I'd be fine with keeping him if it wasn't going to cost so much and our cap space wasn't so tight. Time to move on.

Ehh PP has his defenders here but they were pretty much laughed at. Fitz is the GOAT Cardinal so he’s seen differently. Even though he’s not what he was CJ can still turn a game around.

 

[JosiahLee]

1. Kirk
2. Conner
3. Ertz
4. McCoy
5. Green
6. Edmonds
7. Jones
8. Williams
9. Alford
10. Gardeck

 

[BritCard]

Do you have stats to back that up? Seems like a lot of our big runs we have given up have been right up the middle, and not the left side.

Well first there is his PFF run defense grade of 30. The 2nd lowest in the league for any Edge player. The 3rd worse is 40 and the only player worse is 2nd year rotational player Josh Uche.

But since I became aware of this a while ago I've been keeping an eye on it and it's noticeable how much teams run to that side. Chandler sells out for the rush every time. No interest in contain.

I guess it's possible Vance has told him to play this way but I don't know why. It's never been required in the past for him to get his sack numbers. In every year with us his run D have been a solid 66-71 range.

 

[BritCard]

1. Kirk - Experienced, young WR that are comfortable with your system are crucial to this offense
2. Ertz - Only scratching the surface of what Ertz could do in this offense right now. When he's up to speed he's key.
3. Alford - Good vet CB's that know your scheme and are playing well are not easily replaceable. In fact they are very rare.
4. Gardeck - Still working his way back to full fitness. But good young edge defenders that can play multiple roles and elite ST's are rare.
5. Williams - Good TE's are hard to find and he knows this system inside and out.
6. Conner - He's too high on some lists based on 1 good week. RB's are always easily replaceable, as Conner is proving for us.
7. Edmonds - Should be higher. I think he's a key piece for Kyler. You could easily swap Conner and Edmonds positions.
8. Green - As good as he has been decent WR's that run this limited route tree are not hard to replace.
9. Jones - Simply can't that kind of cap hit on a guy that's so hot and cold and poor vs run now.
10. McCoy - I've read the arguments here on why it's an important position. It is, but I can't prioritize a guy thats unlikely to play and if he does you're probably screwed anyway.

 

[Chopper0080]

I would flip Conner with Ertz and put Gardeck at the end, but pretty much that right there... you have to have McCoy at the front as some pointed out because in these long arse seasons your starter is doubtful to play every game and this offense fits McCoy to a T

Ertz beat out Conner due to position.

Gardeck has value on special teams so that is why he is where he is at. He just does a lot for the team as a key teamer and sub rusher.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Bump: McCoy. Lol.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Number 1 keep Kyler healthy. Draft online in every round of the draft... I kid if course. But we go as Kyler goes.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Bump: McCoy. Lol.

Colt out with a bruised pride.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

1. Kirk - Experienced, young WR that are comfortable with your system are crucial to this offense
2. Ertz - Only scratching the surface of what Ertz could do in this offense right now. When he's up to speed he's key.
3. Alford - Good vet CB's that know your scheme and are playing well are not easily replaceable. In fact they are very rare.
4. Gardeck - Still working his way back to full fitness. But good young edge defenders that can play multiple roles and elite ST's are rare.
5. Williams - Good TE's are hard to find and he knows this system inside and out.
6. Conner - He's too high on some lists based on 1 good week. RB's are always easily replaceable, as Conner is proving for us.
7. Edmonds - Should be higher. I think he's a key piece for Kyler. You could easily swap Conner and Edmonds positions.
8. Green - As good as he has been decent WR's that run this limited route tree are not hard to replace.
9. Jones - Simply can't that kind of cap hit on a guy that's so hot and cold and poor vs run now.
10. McCoy - I've read the arguments here on why it's an important position. It is, but I can't prioritize a guy thats unlikely to play and if he does you're probably screwed anyway.

Thanks for at least having Alford in your top five. Holy Moly. I don't get why he's so underrated in everyone's lists.

And I think I'm starting to come around on CJ possibly being let go. If he wants big money (e.g. 11+ a year), I guess we shouldn't pay it too him. Can't assume enough future production to justify that % of the cap used just for him.

 

[QuebecCard]

For anyone who does not have McCoy #1, did you see our team with Hundley and Streveler?

This aged well...

 

[BritCard]

1. Kirk - Experienced, young WR that are comfortable with your system are crucial to this offense
2. Ertz - Only scratching the surface of what Ertz could do in this offense right now. When he's up to speed he's key.
3. Alford - Good vet CB's that know your scheme and are playing well are not easily replaceable. In fact they are very rare.
4. Gardeck - Still working his way back to full fitness. But good young edge defenders that can play multiple roles and elite ST's are rare.
5. Williams - Good TE's are hard to find and he knows this system inside and out.
6. Conner - He's too high on some lists based on 1 good week. RB's are always easily replaceable, as Conner is proving for us.
7. Edmonds - Should be higher. I think he's a key piece for Kyler. You could easily swap Conner and Edmonds positions.
8. Green - As good as he has been decent WR's that run this limited route tree are not hard to replace.
9. Jones - Simply can't that kind of cap hit on a guy that's so hot and cold and poor vs run now.
10. McCoy - I've read the arguments here on why it's an important position. It is, but I can't prioritize a guy thats unlikely to play and if he does you're probably screwed anyway.

Feeling even happier with this order today

 

[GatorAZ]

Feeling even happier with this order today

Swap Conner/Gardeck and Jones/Maxx (again without financials being considered).