RaShede Hageman visited

[WildBB]

Honey Badgers are known for taking on opponents much bigger than themselves but no I don't think he is a SS. Not saying he couldn't do but FS/CB is his sweet spot(s) IMO.

Don't know, he may be the best or 2nd best open field tackler on the team. Tenacious. Just lacks the height.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Again my opinion, if ARZ is going DL in Round 1 I would rather them take Stephon Tuitt.

I really like Tuitt's fit in this defense, but he would be a big reach @ #20. He has some of the same flags that Hageman has even though he has been more productive.

I like Tuitt only if he slides into our spot in Rd 2. He just has enough questions about his uneven performances and heart/work ethic that I don't think you can argue for him.

 

[juza76]

I really like Tuitt's fit in this defense, but he would be a big reach @ #20. He has some of the same flags that Hageman has even though he has been more productive.

I like Tuitt only if he slides into our spot in Rd 2. He just has enough questions about his uneven performances and heart/work ethic that I don't think you can argue for him.

agree with u..dont know the reason why many draft site rank hageman higher
he is 3 years younger ,had better production, same measurements
6-6 310 ,same speed around 5.00 40 yard

 

[Gee!]

Honey Badger. Other than that it's more likely they draft guys they haven't brought in for a visit.

I really don't consider HB being a player that was brought in.. He had been living and training with P2 for a year in AZ before we drafted him..

 

[Gee!]

IDK. Dockett can be pretty impulsive, so if he isn't approached about it right... I can see him choosing to go to the market.

I dont think Dockett is the haywire person most seem to think he is..

 

[Chopper0080]

Between say Pryor and Verrette, who would make a bigger impact early in their career, in your opinion?

We don't currently have a starting SS, mtl. And Cromartie and Powers both have 1 yr deals left going forward if I'm not mistaken.

Right now at saftey we'd have Mathieu, Jefferson and Johnson as the current starters.

Pryor is going to make a bigger impact with the Cardinals because he has very little blocking him from the field. Verrett has Cromartie/Powers/Mathieu blocking him which makes his ability to make an impact much more difficult.

 

[mwanamatapa]

I really don't consider HB being a player that was brought in.. He had been living and training with P2 for a year in AZ before we drafted him..

Urban did a blog on this topic recently. Here's the list from last year.
Arizona Cardinals
QB – Ryan Nassib, Syracuse
QB – Mike Glennon, N.C. State
DE – Ezekiel Ansah, BYU
LB – Kiko Alonso, Oregon
LB – Dion Jordan, Oregon
LB -*Brandon Magee, Arizona State
CB – Tyrann Mathieu, LSU
CB – Dee Milliner, Alabama
S – Johnathan Cyprien, Florida International
LS -*Kevin McDermott, UCLA

If you don't count the Badger, there's none and that seems to be the same for a lot of teams according to his blog.

Here's the link to his blog:

http://m.azcardinals.com/s/30847/355?itemPos=2&itemUri=334242801/1079111139131281421413610927

 

[Jay Cardinal]

Urban did a blog on this topic recently. Here's the list from last year.
Arizona Cardinals
QB – Ryan Nassib, Syracuse
QB – Mike Glennon, N.C. State
DE – Ezekiel Ansah, BYU
LB – Kiko Alonso, Oregon
LB – Dion Jordan, Oregon
LB -*Brandon Magee, Arizona State
CB – Tyrann Mathieu, LSU
CB – Dee Milliner, Alabama
S – Johnathan Cyprien, Florida International
LS -*Kevin McDermott, UCLA

If you don't count the Badger, there's none and that seems to be the same for a lot of teams according to his blog.

Here's the link to his blog:

http://m.azcardinals.com/s/30847/355?itemPos=2&itemUri=334242801/1079111139131281421413610927

This is a good post. I think it shows the Cardinals have a good idea whom they are gonna pick, but there are a few borderline players they are unsure of. I think those are the type of players that they prefer to interview.

Looking at the interviews it appears the Cards made good choices. Perhaps Zeke Ansah was the pick if he fell to 7. Also Kiko Alonso was spectacular last year, but we haven't seen Minter play. I think the Cards assumed Minter would have been picked higher, having both Minter and Alonso on board gave the Cards confidence to trade down in the second (great trade IMO).

My thoughts on Hageman are that he could be a top DL if motivated properly. If he doesn't have the motivation, he will not get it done. Arguably the biggest boom-bust player in the draft. I am thinking Warren Sapp if he plays all out every play and out of the league if he does not. Hopefully Keim's interview allows him to make an accurate judgment of Hageman's internal motivation. He appears to use the interviews quite well.

 

[juza76]

Urban did a blog on this topic recently. Here's the list from last year.
Arizona Cardinals
QB – Ryan Nassib, Syracuse
QB – Mike Glennon, N.C. State
DE – Ezekiel Ansah, BYU
LB – Kiko Alonso, Oregon
LB – Dion Jordan, Oregon
LB -*Brandon Magee, Arizona State
CB – Tyrann Mathieu, LSU
CB – Dee Milliner, Alabama
S – Johnathan Cyprien, Florida International
LS -*Kevin McDermott, UCLA

If you don't count the Badger, there's none and that seems to be the same for a lot of teams according to his blog.

Here's the link to his blog:

http://m.azcardinals.com/s/30847/355?itemPos=2&itemUri=334242801/1079111139131281421413610927

but sorry.the team can invite 30 players and here we have just 10
if we have the list of the 30 players then we can have more to say,also some of them were drafted ahead of our pick
obviously i think they do also smoke screen
urban never made a name so i think they prefer to be under radar about who they bring
i see players tweets when they go for a visit but when they have to visit cardinals--no words
probably is an indication from keim

 

[Totally_Red]

Two Things:
1. Fitz, no matter his salary, will remain a Cardinal.
2. Look for the Salary Cap to go up next year, and take that into consideration when figuring if the team can/can't afford a player.

Larry may take a pay cut and/or get the roster bonus changed to a prorated bonus. But barring a truly bad 2014 season, I don't see the Cardinals cutting him. He is still far and away the most valuable player on the offense IMO and the offense isn't good enough to cut its best player.

If you listen closely to Steve Keim's statements on the matter, it's clear to me that Larry wants to be part of the new regime and the Cardinals from ownership on down want him here. When only one side is happy, divorces and separations happen. When both sides want something, it usually happens.

 

[WildBB]

Pryor is going to make a bigger impact with the Cardinals because he has very little blocking him from the field. Verrett has Cromartie/Powers/Mathieu blocking him which makes his ability to make an impact much more difficult.

Do you think he'll play well early his first year if drafted first?


I do think Verette has just as much ability and better quickness for the slot. He'd make some impact his first year, and bigger impact his second when Cromartie and likely Powers are gone. Fuller could also be an option if we trade down.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Pryor is going to make a bigger impact with the Cardinals because he has very little blocking him from the field. Verrett has Cromartie/Powers/Mathieu blocking him which makes his ability to make an impact much more difficult.

Yeah I agree with this. My big concern with Pryor is that he is way too much of a hitter, often going for the knockdown blow without wrapping up.

I see A LOT of missed tackles early in his career, but I also see a lot of Earl Thomas' game in Pryor too. Other than that he is dynamic, and he quickly diagnoses where plays are going.

I think Pryor has one of the lowest floors of any players in the draft, I'm fairly certain he will be a star or a star in the Dansby mold (always deserving of a Pro Bowl but doesn't make it).

Verrett is one of those players that REALLY jumps out at you. He's going to be a very good corner even as a rookie. I think if you draft him, you relegate Powers to the bench and putting Peterson, Cromartie, Mathieu, Verrett on the field at the same time is scary good.

Who I've liked that I starting to cool on is Deone Bucannon. While he makes plays and has the requisite size, he's VERY stiff. I think he's going to get killed in coverage and won't put up the interception numbers he did in college.

Pryor is quite a bit better than Bucannon all factors considered. Pryor plays with a reckless abandon and covers a lot of ground.

 

[Totally_Red]

Yeah I agree with this. My big concern with Pryor is that he is way too much of a hitter, often going for the knockdown blow without wrapping up.

I see A LOT of missed tackles early in his career, but I also see a lot of Earl Thomas' game in Pryor too. Other than that he is dynamic, and he quickly diagnoses where plays are going.

I think Pryor has one of the lowest floors of any players in the draft, I'm fairly certain he will be a star or a star in the Dansby mold (always deserving of a Pro Bowl but doesn't make it).

Verrett is one of those players that REALLY jumps out at you. He's going to be a very good corner even as a rookie. I think if you draft him, you relegate Powers to the bench and putting Peterson, Cromartie, Mathieu, Verrett on the field at the same time is scary good.

Who I've liked that I starting to cool on is Deone Bucannon. While he makes plays and has the requisite size, he's VERY stiff. I think he's going to get killed in coverage and won't put up the interception numbers he did in college.

Pryor is quite a bit better than Bucannon all factors considered. Pryor plays with a reckless abandon and covers a lot of ground.

Which is why I'm starting to jump on Chopper's 'draft Calvin Pryor bandwagon'. He's makes the most sense as someone who helps the Cardinals the most in year one while still being a significant long-term contributor.

Most of the other possibilities, with the possible exception of Anthony Barr, make limited contributions in year one. And even with Barr, he is far from a finished product IMO.

 

[Cheesebeef]

As much as I truly believe Fitz is truly the heart of this franchise, and unquestionably the greatest Arizona Cardinal, I don't think it's possible to say 100% that he will always remain a Cardinal. Hell, there are endless examples of players, like John Unitas and Joe Montana, where fans couldn't even fathom them ever wearing another uniform, yet it happened.

Peyton Manning, Brett Favre...and the list probably goes on and on.

 

[BigRedRage]

As much as I truly believe Fitz is truly the heart of this franchise, and unquestionably the greatest Arizona Cardinal, I don't think it's possible to say 100% that he will always remain a Cardinal. Hell, there are endless examples of players, like John Unitas and Joe Montana, where fans couldn't even fathom them ever wearing another uniform, yet it happened.

What I dont understand with fitz is the "he wont take a paycut" that all the local media floats out. If fitz is to leave here, he IS taking a paycut. No one is going to pay him OVER 20 million a year. Hes taking a paycut regardless.

Also, if we are competing like last year, there is no "wants to go somewhere that he has a shot at a ring" that is here as well.

Maybe he wont take a paycut, we drop him and he takes a paycut elsewhere but that doesnt make a ton of sense to me.

 

[WildBB]

Verrett is one of those players that REALLY jumps out at you. He's going to be a very good corner even as a rookie. I think if you draft him, you relegate Powers to the bench and putting Peterson, Cromartie, Mathieu, Verrett on the field at the same time is scary good.

Now we're talkin' Verrette will make an impact wherever he winds up at.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/04/tcu_cornerback_jason_verrett_2.html

I'd be happy with either Pryor or him in the 1st Rd.

Only tweak is if they draft for Abraham's replacement, but they might wait a round or two for that. But if Ealy is sitting there as well, they have even a tougher call to make there, imo.

 

[oaken1]

What I dont understand with fitz is the "he wont take a paycut" that all the local media floats out. If fitz is to leave here, he IS taking a paycut. No one is going to pay him OVER 20 million a year. Hes taking a paycut regardless.

Also, if we are competing like last year, there is no "wants to go somewhere that he has a shot at a ring" that is here as well.

Maybe he wont take a paycut, we drop him and he takes a paycut elsewhere but that doesnt make a ton of sense to me.

but if we cut him.....he gets his new contract....PLUS any guaranteed money we still owe him.....

 

[Cardiac]

What I dont understand with fitz is the "he wont take a paycut" that all the local media floats out. If fitz is to leave here, he IS taking a paycut. No one is going to pay him OVER 20 million a year. Hes taking a paycut regardless.

Also, if we are competing like last year, there is no "wants to go somewhere that he has a shot at a ring" that is here as well.

Maybe he wont take a paycut, we drop him and he takes a paycut elsewhere but that doesnt make a ton of sense to me.

Very good point.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Which is why I'm starting to jump on Chopper's 'draft Calvin Pryor bandwagon'. He's makes the most sense as someone who helps the Cardinals the most in year one while still being a significant long-term contributor.

Most of the other possibilities, with the possible exception of Anthony Barr, make limited contributions in year one. And even with Barr, he is far from a finished product IMO.

Barr falling would be our best possible scenario, but it's unlikely.

Barr is far from a finished product, but he would be on the roster learning from a guy who Barr could be like (Abraham).

Barr is unpolished, but I think he has massive potential, with only Clowney and Mack being better edge players right now and in the future from this draft.

Yeah, I'm leaning closer and closer to the Pryor bandwagon. I just think he fits our needs and is pretty close to a sure thing from this draft. He's at least going to be good, and is one of the safer 1st round prospects out there. I base that opinion on his strengths: football IQ and ability to fly to the football. He also is a pretty good cover player right now.

All-in-all, I think he makes our defense better, and depending on Minter's progress, with Pryor we could be a better defense than last year.

 

[Totally_Red]

Barr falling would be our best possible scenario, but it's unlikely.

Barr is far from a finished product, but he would be on the roster learning from a guy who Barr could be like (Abraham).

Barr is unpolished, but I think he has massive potential, with only Clowney and Mack being better edge players right now and in the future from this draft.

Yeah, I'm leaning closer and closer to the Pryor bandwagon. I just think he fits our needs and is pretty close to a sure thing from this draft. He's at least going to be good, and is one of the safer 1st round prospects out there. I base that opinion on his strengths: football IQ and ability to fly to the football. He also is a pretty good cover player right now.

All-in-all, I think he makes our defense better, and depending on Minter's progress, with Pryor we could be a better defense than last year.

Interesting to me, that Walter Football compares Calvin Pryor to Adrian Wilson and calls him an NFL strong safety, whereas he played free safety during his three years at Louisville.

http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2014cpryor.php

Player Comparison: Adrian Wilson. In the NFL, Pryor could be a player who turns out to be similar to Wilson. Wilson has been one of the best strong safeties in the NFL over the past decade. He was a third-round pick in 2001 out of N.C. State, but obviously Wilson should have been drafted higher.

Both Wilson and Pryor are physical football players who are always around the ball. Wilson (6-3, 230) is bigger than Pryor, but when Wilson entered the NFL, he was 213 pounds. Over his impressive career, Wilson has been a five-time Pro Bowler and three-time All-Pro selection. Pryor has a similar game to Wilson and the potential to be a special strong safety.

NFL Matches: St. Louis, Baltimore, New York Jets, Chicago, Arizona, Green Bay, Philadelphia

Elsewhere in the NFC West, Arizona got a good season out of Yeremiah Bell last year, but the team will need to get a long-term starter. Pryor would be a perfect fit in the Cardinals' defense as they need a strong safety with Tyrann Mathieu playing free safety. Pryor looks like a great fit to Arizona at No. 20.

 

[Chopper0080]

Interesting to me, that Walter Football compares Calvin Pryor to Adrian Wilson and calls him an NFL strong safety, whereas he played free safety during his three years at Louisville.

http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2014cpryor.php

Player Comparison: Adrian Wilson. In the NFL, Pryor could be a player who turns out to be similar to Wilson. Wilson has been one of the best strong safeties in the NFL over the past decade. He was a third-round pick in 2001 out of N.C. State, but obviously Wilson should have been drafted higher.

Both Wilson and Pryor are physical football players who are always around the ball. Wilson (6-3, 230) is bigger than Pryor, but when Wilson entered the NFL, he was 213 pounds. Over his impressive career, Wilson has been a five-time Pro Bowler and three-time All-Pro selection. Pryor has a similar game to Wilson and the potential to be a special strong safety.

NFL Matches: St. Louis, Baltimore, New York Jets, Chicago, Arizona, Green Bay, Philadelphia

Elsewhere in the NFC West, Arizona got a good season out of Yeremiah Bell last year, but the team will need to get a long-term starter. Pryor would be a perfect fit in the Cardinals' defense as they need a strong safety with Tyrann Mathieu playing free safety. Pryor looks like a great fit to Arizona at No. 20.

I don't love the comp to Adrian Wilson because I believe Pryor is a superior coverage player. Deone Bucannon is more like Wilson IMO. Pryor is special to me because he can play both single high and in the box. Being able to do that provides more versatility to a defense than a guy who struggles in one area or the other. Having Pryor play SS and Mathieu at FS is base formations is nice, but being able to partner up Pryor with Johnson or Jefferson depending on which one is better is even better if you ask me.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Interesting to me, that Walter Football compares Calvin Pryor to Adrian Wilson and calls him an NFL strong safety, whereas he played free safety during his three years at Louisville.

http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2014cpryor.php

Player Comparison: Adrian Wilson. In the NFL, Pryor could be a player who turns out to be similar to Wilson. Wilson has been one of the best strong safeties in the NFL over the past decade. He was a third-round pick in 2001 out of N.C. State, but obviously Wilson should have been drafted higher.

Both Wilson and Pryor are physical football players who are always around the ball. Wilson (6-3, 230) is bigger than Pryor, but when Wilson entered the NFL, he was 213 pounds. Over his impressive career, Wilson has been a five-time Pro Bowler and three-time All-Pro selection. Pryor has a similar game to Wilson and the potential to be a special strong safety.

NFL Matches: St. Louis, Baltimore, New York Jets, Chicago, Arizona, Green Bay, Philadelphia

Elsewhere in the NFC West, Arizona got a good season out of Yeremiah Bell last year, but the team will need to get a long-term starter. Pryor would be a perfect fit in the Cardinals' defense as they need a strong safety with Tyrann Mathieu playing free safety. Pryor looks like a great fit to Arizona at No. 20.

I agree with Chopper, Bucannon is closer to Wilson, but he's not as fluid as Wilson was nor as athletic. I think Bucannon looks like he has a better feel for coverages than Wilson.

I just can't shake the feeling that Bucannon is going to get exposed in coverages since he looks so stiff. He'll be a good in the box kind of player, but Pryor is going to be more dynamic.

 

[Chopper0080]

I agree with Chopper, Bucannon is closer to Wilson, but he's not as fluid as Wilson was nor as athletic. I think Bucannon looks like he has a better feel for coverages than Wilson.

I just can't shake the feeling that Bucannon is going to get exposed in coverages since he looks so stiff. He'll be a good in the box kind of player, but Pryor is going to be more dynamic.

I agree that Bucannon is going to be targeted early in coverage because that is where he is weakest. I really like his ability to make plays which can help with that transition away from being a target.

Again, Pryor has faults and those have seem to have gotten swet underneath the blanket due to our need at S and the growing importance of S's across the league. He is short, he plays out of control at times and can be very over agressive. My point with these issues is that I believe they are coachable. It is easy to pollish tackling technique. It is easy to bring a player to the understanding that he is playing within a system rather than playing for himself. Eye discipline is easy to teach. What is tough to teach are instincts, agressiveness, and physicality. IMO Pryor has those which is why I like him as an option at 20.

 

[oaken1]

I agree that Bucannon is going to be targeted early in coverage because that is where he is weakest. I really like his ability to make plays which can help with that transition away from being a target.

Again, Pryor has faults and those have seem to have gotten swet underneath the blanket due to our need at S and the growing importance of S's across the league. He is short, he plays out of control at times and can be very over agressive. My point with these issues is that I believe they are coachable. It is easy to pollish tackling technique. It is easy to bring a player to the understanding that he is playing within a system rather than playing for himself. Eye discipline is easy to teach. What is tough to teach are instincts, agressiveness, and physicality. IMO Pryor has those which is why I like him as an option at 20.

I love Pryor...but IMO he is gonna draw a massive amount of penalties in his rookie season,lol....dude loves to play "hands on"

 

[Krangodnzr]

I love Pryor...but IMO he is gonna draw a massive amount of penalties in his rookie season,lol....dude loves to play "hands on"

I can see that, but you see the guy make a concerted effort NOT to lead with his helmet. That was something that jumped out at me on film.

He'll probably draw quite a few roughing penalties and a few bogus leading with helmet penalties as well.

Bucannon has much better form as a tackler, but despite Pryor being smaller, Pryor is a bigger hitter than Bucannon. Pryor is going to lead the league in missed tackles some year, but I think his overall game is really nice.