Ravens | Unlikely to acquire Boldin at current price

[imaCafan]

Ravens | Unlikely to acquire Boldin at current price
Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:04:52 -0700

Jamison Hensley, of The Baltimore Sun, reports the Baltimore Ravens are unlikely to acquire Arizona Cardinals WR Anquan Boldin at this time because of the Cardinals asking price, according to a source. The Cardinals are looking for a first- and third-round draft choice for Boldin, according to a source. The source said the Ravens would consider trading their first-round choice or a second-round pick and a player.

 

[The Commish]

Posturing I'm sure. Peter King did allude to the Cards asking price being too high in his MMQB column today though so who knows...

 

[Renz]

Boldin is under contract for two years at a bargain rate. Our price for him should be high and remain high.

 

[The Commish]

Boldin is under contract for two years at a bargain rate. Our price for him should be high and remain high.

Yeah but realistically whoever trades for him will have to work out a new contract so that factor almost has to be taken out of the equation.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Who in the hell is going to tell us what is "too high"???

See this pisses me off. This is teams using the media to drive down the value. First the Giants and now this.

There is precedent with Roy Williams. I do think the Williams deal was a special set of circumstances but I don't think we are outlandish at all for requesting what we are.

Most importantly we don't HAVE to trade Boldin. Hes got two more years and we can do this on OUR terms.

Pay or get off the pot. But don't whine like a 10 year old girl because you think what we want is too high.

Its annoying. All this posturing and a I guaran -damn - tee you they wil end up offering a first and third or more come the 25th pick.

And if not someone else well.

 

[splitsecond]

That's fine, we will take a second rounder and a player, as long as the player's name is Terrell Suggs.

Bottom line is we either get high value, or we extend him. That is completely in line with how Whiz runs things, and I would put money on one of those two happening. We won't "settle" just to resolve the situation.

 

[Reddog]

Great lets keep him then

 

[SunsTzu]

Yeah but realistically whoever trades for him will have to work out a new contract so that factor almost has to be taken out of the equation.

The Cardinals most certainly should not be putting the problem of another team redoing Boldin's contract into the equation. Fact is the Cardinals have a great player at a great value so it's a sellers market and whoever wants him bad enough will have to put that into their equation when making an offer.

 

[binkar]

Thats fine. Screw all yall and we will keep Boldin, draft a running back and a pass rusher, go back to the Super Bowl and win. People act like we are trying to deal Q to the highest bidder regardless of what that price is. So you are telling me if we don't give him to you for what you want then we HAVE to keep a pro bowl receiver who averages more yards after the catch than anyone in the league. Sucks to be us.

 

[az jam]

I have no problem keeping Boldin. He is one of the best wrs in the NFL. The GM's are not dumb and they know this. We really don't know what is going on just rumor talk from web pages and posturing from some GM's. I still think he will be traded to some team that really wants him and will put together a very good package. It may be a real surprise on who takes him.

 

[overseascardfan]

Cool go nowhere with Mark Clayton and Todd Heap as your primary targets. Screw them, its a 1st and 3rd or no dice.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Q is worth MORE than Williams:

Williams--in 5 seasons--has only played 16 ONCE, never had 100 catches and reached the 1,000 yrd mark ONCE and not much of a leader. AVG. Season for Roy:

14 games,56 recs, 816 yrds, 6 tds, 14.5 YPC and, 1 probowl appearance.

Boldin--in 6 seasons--Has played in 16 games TWICE and has FOUR 1,000 yrd seasons and beast of a leader. Avg Season for Boldin:

13 games, 84 recs, 1082 yrds, 6.6 tds, 13 ypc, and 3 probowl appearances.

 

[Totally_Red]

Darren Urban said several weeks ago that with Kurt Warner here for two mroe years Anquan Boldin may have more value in the pass-oriented offense that Ken Whisenhunt and the Cardinals will have for the near future. I agreed then and I agree now. If the Matt Leinart era was starting right now, I'd have a different take.

It would be nice if Kurt Warner, Larry Fitzgerald, and Antrel Rolle went together to Rod Graves and said we're willing to do whatever it takes to keep Anquan here and happy. All three have expressed a strong desire to keep Q a Cardinal. Let's work something out.

 

[AZ Native]

Sure we are hearing the rumors that this team is willing to give up these picks or this player, but the bottom line is many of these rumors are just that. They come from a beat writer's blog, an unnamed source, etc. Boldin has made it clear that he is unhappy otherwise we would not be having this conversation. All these teams are going to try to lowball the Cards and give up as little as possible. They know he is disgruntled and they are going to try to steal him. I still see him staying here.

We'll find out soon enough.

 

[JeffGollin]

Boldin is under contract for two years at a bargain rate. Our price for him should be high and remain high.

There it is.

Our worst case scenario should be one where we're "forced" to hang onto both Edge and Q.

Obviously, I'd rather it be a re-signed and happy Boldin rather than an unhappy version, but either way, I could live comfortably with that outcome if need be.

What I would definitely be unhappy with would be letting Anquan escape in exchange for a #1 and a #3. The media has somehow made the #1 and #3 (which is based on what Detroit got for Roy Williams) our "asking price." Since when? In terms of "value for value", we'd be getting hosed. It's deals like this that have undermined the overall talent-level of the Cardinal roster so often in the past.

 

[Totally_Red]

There it is.

Our worst case scenario should be one where we're "forced" to hang onto both Edge and Q.

Obviously, I'd rather it be a re-signed and happy Boldin rather than an unhappy version, but either way, I could live comfortably with that outcome if need be.

What I would definitely be unhappy with would be letting Anquan escape in exchange for a #1 and a #3. The media has somehow made the #1 and #3 (which is based on what Detroit got for Roy Williams) our "asking price." Since when? In terms of "value for value", we'd be getting hosed. It's deals like this that have undermined the overall talent-level of the Cardinal roster so often in the past.

The first and third we'd be getting from Baltimore would be lesser value than Williams fetched. Detriot got the 20th overall versus #26 overall and a higher third AND a sixth in exchange for the seventh, a jump of about 15 draft positions.

 

[Evil Ash]

There it is.

Our worst case scenario should be one where we're "forced" to hang onto both Edge and Q.

Obviously, I'd rather it be a re-signed and happy Boldin rather than an unhappy version, but either way, I could live comfortably with that outcome if need be.

What I would definitely be unhappy with would be letting Anquan escape in exchange for a #1 and a #3. The media has somehow made the #1 and #3 (which is based on what Detroit got for Roy Williams) our "asking price." Since when? In terms of "value for value", we'd be getting hosed. It's deals like this that have undermined the overall talent-level of the Cardinal roster so often in the past.

If you go by what Somers and the local media have said throughout, the 1st adn the 3rd is the BARE MINIMUM that they will take for Boldin. Its not their asking price, its the absolute lowest they will accept. Big difference.

Teams right now are doing what they always do this time of year - whatever it takes to get their guy. Many teams want Boldin but not all of them want to admit it or are simply letting out tidbits saying they aren't interested at the current asking price in the hopes that the Cards will back down so that they can get him "cheap." Its not working and we'll see them all go into a panic when the draft starts.

 

[JeffGollin]

If you go by what Somers and the local media have said throughout, the 1st adn the 3rd is the BARE MINIMUM that they will take for Boldin. Its not their asking price, its the absolute lowest they will accept. Big difference.
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Then let me rephrase it, the media has latched upon the Detroit (Roy Williams) deal and made the #1 and #3 highlights of that deal the Cardinals' bare minimum they'd be willing to accept.

I ask again - Where did that come from and is this what the Cardinals are actually putting out there? Or is it simply what the media "assumes?" Sometimes rumors, blogs and media-follow-up becomes "viral" (i.e. someone makes an assumption, the next person repeats part of but not all of the story and pretty soon the incomplete or inaccurate version becomes conventional wisdom or "fact").

A #1 and a #3 isn't, in my opinion, enough to be acceptable. I hope the Cards hang tough.

 

[Evil Ash]

I ask again - Is this what the Cardinals are putting out there? Or is it what the media "assumes?"

And I reiterate - a #1 and a #3 isn't, in my opinion, enough to be acceptable.[/color]

Good questions and the truth is we really don't know. This is the week of the draft where there is so much misinformation out there that its hard to tell what is reality or what certain people (GMs) want you to believe is reality.

We probably aren't going to get the value that the Lions got for Roy Williams since I don't think teams panic like Jerry Jones does but I expect it to be slightly below that.

 

[Cardiac]

Part of the reason the Cowboys gave up all those draft picks is because RW could play for them immediately and the Lions couldn't use the picks until this weekend. Those picks/players won't take the field until 2009, RW was on the field for the Cowboys in 2008. That's how Jones rationalized what he gave up for RW.

Another thing to consider is how many trades have taken place where a team gives up two first round picks? How many teams have signed a franchise tagged player and given up two 1st's or even 2 quality picks? How did those turn out? History has taught us that giving up to many premium picks for a single player almost never, if ever, pays off.

With all of this historical evidence for all these GM's to consider do we really expect a team to give up more then a 1st and 3rd rd pick? Are we maybe placing too much trade value on Q?

I'm with everyone who states that a 1st and 3rd is the starting point because that is Q's value to US. Blow us away with an offer or we simply keep him.

The big question is whether WHIZ believes Q's value to us is diminished because of the CAP and potential fall out of having an unhappy Q on the team. WHIZ is building this team through team chemistry and "we do this together". Not most of us do this except for Q and Edge and .....

I wouldn't be shocked if we take less then a 1st and 3rd because of what I just mentioned.