Reaction and Thoughts About What Might Happen

[Darkside]

 

[Cardiac]

I just watched it again. My two cents is that when he said "at this time" he meant "after considering and looking at them both here's my choice". "At this time" meaning "I am announcing". I'm not reading a whole lot into it.

Thank you. I've always been sensitive to the difference between hope & fact...and fact & opinion.

I'm always rechecking myself to rely on trusted and corroborated info and retain a constant skepticism that "just because we heard something somewhere" doesn't necessarily mean it's right (or converesly - just because some yo yo said it doesn't automatically mean it's wrong).

It's a constant effort to figure out what's real as opposed to what may look real but really isn't.

This is why I'm seldom 100% positive about anything (There's always that nagging suspicion that I could be wrong).

I always felt Jeff Gollin has a voice of reason..

Yep. Jeff and Dems are incredibly consistent with this and both are incredibly civil even when challenged or read something they don't agree with.

 

[cardncubfan]

I always felt Jeff Gollin has a voice of reason..

I agree with you Gee!

 

[az jam]

Skelton, Kolb and Lindley will be our qbs for the season unless one is seriously injured. Its a long season and I think that Kolb will get his chance to play again. The cap hit on releasing Kolb is too much for the Cards to absorb this season. I doubt very much that Kolb will be on the Card team next year.

 

[THESMEL]

understand

I understand your point- but He wants to play football- He came here as a west coast QB- and Chris Miller coached him to be whatever style of QB this is?
It is not only Kolb but most QB's can not - have not been good in this offense. It's QB killing offense- 5 wr's on our own goal line- dare you to blitz boogers- and Blitz they do- even in preseason.


quote=Mitch;2679669]Look---if you were an NFL QB who has already been paid over $30M in the past three and half years, and you have a family and have suffered two concussions in two years, the second of which debilitated you for 7 weeks, would the thought of taking a break from football cross your mind?

The fact that the Cardinals were so gung-ho in trying to woo Peyton Manning to Arizona---made it clear to Kolb that he might not be asked back. In that interim, did he wonder whether the Cardinals letting him go would be the best thing for him and his family?

He would have to be inhuman not to think about that.

Let's face it---Kolb was skittish before the second concussion. Perhaps he was worried about getting a second concussion in two years. Again, a human response.

My belief---for right or for wrong---is that Kevin Kolb is a far better QB than he has shown in his brief time in Arizona, but it looks obvious to me that his heart is not into football.

I think this is what Tommy Kelly was referring to---

I don't think Kolb is a coward---in fact, I think these two years have tested his courage more than he was even expecting or ever signed up for.

The seriousness about concussions in the NFL is on everyone's mind these days especially when great guys and family men like Junior Seau are committing suicide.

Playing QB in the NFL which often renders one helpless versus an on-coming train wreck, is about the last thing a person would ever want to do coming off of two concussions.

And the thing is---the most mitigating factor is---it's not like Kolb's livelihood and quality of life are dependent now on playing football. He's like a lottery winner---he can walk away from his job and never look back, if he wants.

As long as he spend his $30M wisely, he and his family are set financially for life. There's an oasis waiting for him if and when he wants to remove himself from the train tracks.[/quote]

 

[bankybruce]

I understand your point- but He wants to play football- He came here as a west coast QB- and Chris Miller coached him to be whatever style of QB this is?
It is not only Kolb but most QB's can not - have not been good in this offense. It's QB killing offense- 5 wr's on our own goal line- dare you to blitz boogers- and Blitz they do- even in preseason.

Might be your best post ever.

 

[DemsMyBoys]

Yep. Jeff and Dems are incredibly consistent with this and both are incredibly civil even when challenged or read something they don't agree with.

Thanks, Cardiac. I appreciate it.

I will admit to the occasional urge to yell, "Get off my lawn!" (But then I remember I don't have a lawn. And yelling "Get off my decomposing granite!" just doesn't have the same ring to it.

 

[azmike74]

Might be your best post ever.

I totally agree. I can't always decifer what TheSmel is talking about but after Nick Foles started putting up good numbers in Philly, I started to question the system.

I'm not knowledgeable enough football wise to figure it out, but do we run a qb unfriendly system? It looked pretty easy when Warner was here but I'm attributing that to Haley and Warner.

I'm not a Whiz hater at all. I do think he needs to reevaluate his assistants.

 

[Darkside]

I totally agree. I can't always decifer what TheSmel is talking about but after Nick Foles started putting up good numbers in Philly, I started to question the system.

I'm not knowledgeable enough football wise to figure it out, but do we run a qb unfriendly system? It looked pretty easy when Warner was here but I'm attributing that to Haley and Warner.

I'm not a Whiz hater at all. I do think he needs to reevaluate his assistants.

I don't think it has to do with QB friendly so much as it has to do with awareness. We haven't had a QB who can read the field since Warner left. I'm not even talking about pre-snap reads, which Warner was great at, I'm just talking about scanning the field and making all your reads and hitting the open guy.

There are a lot of guys running open in Whisenhunt's system, just wide open. It doesn't take a genius, or a HOF QB, to excel in this system, it just takes a dude who can go through his progressions and we haven't had that since Warner.

I honestly believe it's a good system and entirely QB friendly (aside from the oline) because all you have to do is go through progressions and make reads. It's not like some systems where the WR is never open. Someone in this system will be open, every time.

I think one area Skelton improved this year is his feet and scanning the field. You can see him hopping and his eyes and head moving around. Said that even before he got the job. This system is unfriendly as hell to a guy like Kolb, who just locks on. It's designed for a dude to really look around and go through his progressions and find someone open.

The oline is another issue entirely. I also said this before and stand by it: having a great LT or a great oline is over-rated in this passing league. With the size and speed of these WR's, you only need a few seconds (if you're properly scanning for adjustments and making reads) to complete passes. I really believe we're making entirely too much out of our bad oline. The year the Steelers beat us in the SB they had the worst Oline in football. Patriots have an atrocious Oline. Packers do too. So do the Eagles. Frankly, this year, the Patriots line may be worse than ours, if that's possible. In any case, I think the oline is over-rated and it's taking the pundits and scouts and everyone else time to catch up, because I don't think it's as essential as it used to be. You can get by on a mediocre line--as long as you have a good offensive WR scheme and a QB who can scan the field quickly.

 

[WildBB]

You can get by on a mediocre line--as long as you have a good offensive WR scheme and a QB who can scan the field quickly.

Which we don't----yet. Skelton has his chance. I hope he finds his outlets quickly when needed.

 

[Cardiac]

I don't think it has to do with QB friendly so much as it has to do with awareness. We haven't had a QB who can read the field since Warner left. I'm not even talking about pre-snap reads, which Warner was great at, I'm just talking about scanning the field and making all your reads and hitting the open guy.

There are a lot of guys running open in Whisenhunt's system, just wide open. It doesn't take a genius, or a HOF QB, to excel in this system, it just takes a dude who can go through his progressions and we haven't had that since Warner.

I honestly believe it's a good system and entirely QB friendly (aside from the oline) because all you have to do is go through progressions and make reads. It's not like some systems where the WR is never open. Someone in this system will be open, every time.

I think one area Skelton improved this year is his feet and scanning the field. You can see him hopping and his eyes and head moving around. Said that even before he got the job. This system is unfriendly as hell to a guy like Kolb, who just locks on. It's designed for a dude to really look around and go through his progressions and find someone open.

The oline is another issue entirely. I also said this before and stand by it: having a great LT or a great oline is over-rated in this passing league. With the size and speed of these WR's, you only need a few seconds (if you're properly scanning for adjustments and making reads) to complete passes. I really believe we're making entirely too much out of our bad oline. The year the Steelers beat us in the SB they had the worst Oline in football. Patriots have an atrocious Oline. Packers do too. So do the Eagles. Frankly, this year, the Patriots line may be worse than ours, if that's possible. In any case, I think the oline is over-rated and it's taking the pundits and scouts and everyone else time to catch up, because I don't think it's as essential as it used to be. You can get by on a mediocre line--as long as you have a good offensive WR scheme and a QB who can scan the field quickly.

Football is a physical game of chess. Playing chess is probably the most complicated "game" there is. I believe that Whiz's Offense is rather complicated and that's why you do see open WR's so often.

The issue is that your QB has to be a quick and deep thinker to run this style of offense. The advantage is when you get the right QB the Offense becomes almost unstoppable. The down side is that when you have QB's who aren't at that level yet you get what we have had since Warner retired.

Whiz could dumb down the O like the Panthers did for Newton and put up some numbers and .....not make the playoffs or stay with the system to reach the ultimate goal. Not just winning some games or putting up pretty numbers but actually standing a chance to win it all.

Having said all of that I think the O does get "dumbed" down a bit this year because this D and ST's units have the ability to give us a punchers chance at getting into the playoffs.

I agree that the Oline only has to be mediocre to give this team a chance to win. Here's to getting mediocre.

 

[JeffGollin]

Don't forget to add, "I'd just like to thank all the little people who made this possible," like all the pompous people do. At least you didn't pull a Sally Field.

Bite me.

 

[Darkside]

LOL don't get mad man, I was just messin' with you.