Rebuilding and Retooling Options

[JCSunsfan]

The summer hinges on what Nash does. There is alot of interest from the Knicks in Nash. If we resign Nash, we need to add a combination of vet free agents and young players. But I do not think Nash will be staying, especially after missing the playoffs. Here are my suggestions for rebuilding.

1. Sign and trade Nash to the Knicks for Lin. The Knicks want Nash and Lin is in the way if they sign Nash.
2. Sign Goran Dragic. He and Lin can battle for the starting spot. I could also see Lin and Dragic on the court together. Both are decent defenders and Dragic can be effective without the ball in his hands.
3. Resign Telfair. He has proved himself as a decent backup.
4. Sign Eric Gordon. He becomes the consistent scoring threat we need.
5. With the 13th pick, draft PJonesIII. He will move into the starting 3 position.
6. Let Grant go unless he is willing to sign for the vet minimum to fill out the roster. He cannot be a starter anymore.
7. Amnesty Childress or Warrick. It doesn't really matter too much which.
8. Trade for a later first round pick. Likely candidates to go would be Lopez, Frye or other considerations. Pick up Royce White. I think he will be a great value pick in the latter part of the first round.

I don't think this roster is a contender or anything, but it adds new blood and would be a lot of fun to watch.

Interested in your ideas for adding new blood.

 

[WuRaider]

Blow up the whole roster but keep Jared. Sign Dragic or Lin and go from there.

 

[jagu]

How is Lin or Dragic going to make this team better? I'd pass on both.

 

[Cheesebeef]

wouldn't touch Gordon with a ten foot pole. Rebuild with the draft, try and go the way of Chicago/OKC and only spend your cap space when it's actually WORTH doing so.

 

[FArting]

1. We need to change the culture.
2. We need to respect our opponents.
3. We need to talk to our former players.
4. We need to talk about winning championships not about playoffs.

 

[The Polecat]

This year
Sign Redd & Oden to one year contracts with team option for year 2
Let the team trainers continue to work their magic
Resign Lopez and Telfair (If the price is reasonable)
Sign Dragic (If the price is reasonable)
Overpay whoever for one year contracts
Buy a draft pick or two
Make sure we have big money for next summer when luxury tax victims will be giving away draft picks with high paid players to avoid the tax (Sound familiar?)

 

[Covert Rain]

This year
Sign Redd & Oden to one year contracts with team option for year 2
Let the team trainers continue to work their magic
Resign Lopez and Telfair (If the price is reasonable)
Sign Dragic (If the price is reasonable)
Overpay whoever for one year contracts
Buy a draft pick or two
Make sure we have big money for next summer when luxury tax victims will be giving away draft picks with high paid players to avoid the tax (Sound familiar?)

Oden?? Dear god no.

 

[SirStefan32]

The summer hinges on what Nash does. There is alot of interest from the Knicks in Nash. If we resign Nash, we need to add a combination of vet free agents and young players. But I do not think Nash will be staying, especially after missing the playoffs. Here are my suggestions for rebuilding.

1. Sign and trade Nash to the Knicks for Lin. The Knicks want Nash and Lin is in the way if they sign Nash.
2. Sign Goran Dragic. He and Lin can battle for the starting spot. I could also see Lin and Dragic on the court together. Both are decent defenders and Dragic can be effective without the ball in his hands.
3. Resign Telfair. He has proved himself as a decent backup.
4. Sign Eric Gordon. He becomes the consistent scoring threat we need.
5. With the 13th pick, draft PJonesIII. He will move into the starting 3 position.
6. Let Grant go unless he is willing to sign for the vet minimum to fill out the roster. He cannot be a starter anymore.
7. Amnesty Childress or Warrick. It doesn't really matter too much which.
8. Trade for a later first round pick. Likely candidates to go would be Lopez, Frye or other considerations. Pick up Royce White. I think he will be a great value pick in the latter part of the first round.

I don't think this roster is a contender or anything, but it adds new blood and would be a lot of fun to watch.

Interested in your ideas for adding new blood.

My random thoughts:

Nash and Hill have to go. It's been a fun ride, but it's time for the Suns to rebuild.

I like Dragic or Lin idea, but not both. Each of those guys needs starter minutes to be effective, and the Suns will have to slightly overpay for either one.

Telfair seems to be an OK backup, so I have nothing against keeping him around.

No Gordon or any other overpaid borderline all-star player. If we sign Gordon and another player, they might make us good enough to not pick in top 10, which I really don't want to see. Let's suck it up and take a hit for two years, get some solid pics and go from there.

No reason to amnesty Chilli or Warrick. Their contracts have three years left, and the Suns are most definitely not going to be relevant before their contracts are up. in two years, they will be expiring contracts and they will become somewhat of an asset rather than a liability.

If anyone is willing to give up a draft pick for anyone on the roster (excluding Dudley and Gortat) the Suns should do it. They should look into buying draft picks, or getting draft picks while taking on a horrible contract or two. Again- the Suns will be irrelevant for at least three or four years, so they can take on bad contracts.

 

[JS22]

Hold out and do everything you can to get Harden here.

 

[Phrazbit]

Stop stepping on our own feet with long term contracts for mediocre talent.

Buy any 1st round picks that are for sale, regardless of slot.

Amnesty Childress. His contract is far more damaging than Warrick and they are equally useless players.

Put a "For Sale" sign around Channing Frye's neck. A late 1st round pick would be optimal, but I'd be fine with just shedding his contract.

Listen to offers for Gortat but dont sell on the cheap. He is the kind of player someone might pay big time for around the trade deadline.

And once again because i cant stress it enough. NO BIG CONTRACTS UNTIL THE TEAM HAS SOME YOUTH IN PLACE TO BUILD UPON.

 

[hcsilla]

Telfair doesn't need to be re-signed he is under contract for 1.5 mil. next season.

I highly doubt that Perry Jones will start for any team anytime soon.

It does really matter for Sarver if Childress or Warrick would be amnestied since Warrick has one year left on his contract for 4.6 mil. while Childress does 3 years for 21 mil.

In other words: there is no way that Childress will be amnestied.

Lopez is a RFA and it is doubtful that anyone gives a 1st rounder for him instead of signing him outright. And even if someone does, we may have to trade the exact same pick for a young, servicable backup C.

 

[WuRaider]

Predicted 2012-13 Roster

Dragic
1st round Pick
Dudley
Frye
Gortat

Telfair
Redd
Childress
Keef
Big Man FA

Which means lottery again and a mid season trade sending Gortat for picks

 

[slinslin]

get some fresh, new, young faces on this team that the fans can get excited about and get behind the team again..

I want to see 2-3 rookies on this team next season. Perry Jones, Quincy Miller and a guard.

 

[hcsilla]

Quincy Miller can neither jump nor run.

I'm not sure at all that he is a 1st round material and I do hope that the Suns won't pick him.

 

[slinslin]

Quincy Miller can neither jump nor run.

I'm not sure at all that he is a 1st round material and I do hope that the Suns won't pick him.

Of course he is first round material.

He is 6'9-6'10 with 7'4 wingspan, can shoot and for his size very good at putting the ball on the floor and create.
He is a prototype long small forward in the NBA and with lots of room for growth.
He is an average athlete and not particularly explosive but size and skills and age make him a mid - late first round prospect easily and at least a long role player NBA career.

 

[elindholm]

Reminds me of a less smooth Antawn Jamison.

 

[Gaddabout]

I'd move all veterans, including Dudley. Get as many picks in the draft as possible. I'd throw some money at lesser known NBA free agents like Ivan Johnson. Commit to youth for the next 3 years.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I'd move all veterans, including Dudley. Get as many picks in the draft as possible. I'd throw some money at lesser known NBA free agents like Ivan Johnson. Commit to youth for the next 3 years.

Matt, do you get the sense that we'll do anything close to this or are we going to go Detroit Pistons and have a summer equivalent of signing the Charlie Villanueva/Ben Gordon's of FA?

 

[Gaddabout]

Matt, do you get the sense that we'll do anything close to this or are we going to go Detroit Pistons and have a summer equivalent of signing the Charlie Villanueva/Ben Gordon's of FA?

Sarver is going to be Sarver. In no way will he ever commit to youth and eat a year or two. It's the Dial years all over again. Late 70s, early 80s. Scrappy teams with lots of veterans. The difference is that team had an outstanding college draft scout team. This version has a gutted scouting department that no one who makes decisions seems to trust.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Sarver is going to be Sarver. In no way will he ever commit to youth and eat a year or two. It's the Dial years all over again. Late 70s, early 80s. Scrappy teams with lots of veterans. The difference is that team had an outstanding college draft scout team. This version has a gutted scouting department that no one who makes decisions seems to trust.

sweet.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Sarver is going to be Sarver. In no way will he ever commit to youth and eat a year or two. It's the Dial years all over again. Late 70s, early 80s. Scrappy teams with lots of veterans. The difference is that team had an outstanding college draft scout team. This version has a gutted scouting department that no one who makes decisions seems to trust.

This is 100% what I have heard as well. In no way will we rebuild. We will do everything possible to resign Nash.

 

[SirStefan32]

Sarver is going to be Sarver. In no way will he ever commit to youth and eat a year or two. It's the Dial years all over again. Late 70s, early 80s. Scrappy teams with lots of veterans. The difference is that team had an outstanding college draft scout team. This version has a gutted scouting department that no one who makes decisions seems to trust.

Geez, thanks for pissing in my cereal.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Geez, thanks for pissing in my cereal.

Until people just stop spending money on the Suns, this is the way it will be. Babby is convinced that rebuilding takes too long and drives away the fans.

These guys only see $ figures, which is why I always called him $arver. If people are buying turd sandwhiches, they will keep serving them.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Until people just stop spending money on the Suns, this is the way it will be. Babby is convinced that rebuilding takes too long and drives away the fans.

These guys only see $ figures, which is why I always called him $arver. If people are buying turd sandwhiches, they will keep serving them.

yup.

Love that these are convinced that "rebuilding" takes too long... when they've missed the playoffs the last three years when it was just the Steve Nash show sans Amare.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

And for all those crowing about what a good move it was to let Amare leave, at this point it's pretty obvious that if the plan was to stick with Nash, that it would have been smarter to retain Amare, even with the injury risk.

We're two years into his 5 year deal, and we'd have been far more entertaining over the last 2, and probably over the next 3 if we had Stat.