Red Dawn (remake)

[Renz]

Absolutely Toonman. Absolutely.

Join. Not only is it a Cold War action movie, it definitely isn't 'pro war'. It's very much an anti-war movie, IMO.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

anti-gun lobby turn violently shrill.

I suppose that's better than the pro-gun lobby turning violently violent.

 

[Mulli]

I thought it was pro-defendyourselfagainenemyinvaders...

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

Maybe you had to be there. If you grew up in the 80's, it's definitely a classic. Not a great movie, but still a classic.

Agreed!

As campy as it was (even by 80's standards) it was the quintessential "angst" movie of the 1980's for the 18-24 crowd.

 

[earthsci]

Absolutely Toonman. Absolutely.

 

[Covert Rain]

Gad, you're letting your politics shine through waaaay too much by basically saying you like it more if you're a warmonger. Yeah, okay, the movie was geared against our enemies but, ya know, it was made during the cold war when there was a very real threat of military action against us.

That said, a classic and a cult classic both. The remake will NOT be good and I will NOT be watching it.

Agreed. I didn't know of any male my age that had not seen this movie and thought it was cool. It is a classic although campy by today's standards. Then again, that happens a bit with movies I have fond memories of that I go back and watch.

 

[Zeno]

I can still watch this movie when its replayed on cable and find it entertaining.

I will see the new movie and will probably be disappointed but I don't care.

 

[conraddobler]

It was the most amazing example of just going with the flow ever, as if someone could surprise invade the US.

They should just make it as some kind of revolution movie, it would then make some sense, but again, there is no way someone just invades us and gets that far along, it's not possible, still liked the original though.

 

[mojorizen7]

It was the most amazing example of just going with the flow ever, as if someone could surprise invade the US.

They should just make it as some kind of revolution movie, it would then make some sense, but again, there is no way someone just invades us and gets that far along, it's not possible, still liked the original though.

Unless there was a joint foreign invasion/coup de tat of massive proportions within the chain of command and someone in a sense, left the key to the US backdoor under the doormat

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..........nah.

Great sig b.t.w conrad

 

[Zeno]

Without Beijing even uttering a critical word, MGM is changing the villains in its 'Red Dawn' remake from Chinese to North Korean. It's all about maintaining access to the Asian superpower's lucrative box office.

China has become such an important market for U.S. entertainment companies that one studio has taken the extraordinary step of digitally altering a film to excise bad guys from the Communist nation lest the leadership in Beijing be offended.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-china-red-dawn-20110316,0,995726.story

 

[Dback Jon]

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-china-red-dawn-20110316,0,995726.story

So the 600 million screamin' Chinamen are having an effect?

 

[Passepartout]

It makes sense that North Koreas are indeed the villains. Just ask their crazy dictator who needs to be overthrown. Or even they could had made the Iranians the villains.

 

[Gaddabout]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it Cubans who snuck up through Mexico in the first wave invasion, in lieu of Russian leadership?

 

[Louis]

It makes sense that North Koreas are indeed the villains. Just ask their crazy dictator who needs to be overthrown. Or even they could had made the Iranians the villains.

One of the original writers of Red Dawn was involved in the storyline behind the video game Homefront. The bad guys in that game is the Korean Alliance of a unified North and South Korea.

 

[Mulli]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it Cubans who snuck up through Mexico in the first wave invasion, in lieu of Russian leadership?

I don't think so. I don't recall the parashooters at the high school being Cuban.

 

[Dback Jon]

I don't think so. I don't recall the parashooters at the high school being Cuban.

The film begins with an introductory text about how the USA gradually became (in a fictional scenario) politically isolated when the NATO members in Europe, except the United Kingdom, withdrew their membership, leaving America politically and militarily outweighed by the Warsaw Pact, who are aggressively expanding their sphere of influence. In addition the Ukrainian wheat harvest fails and a revolution occurs in Mexico.

On a September morning in the small town of Calumet, Colorado, a local high school teacher pauses mid sentence when he sees paratroopers landing in a field outside the school. These troops, who are Soviet Airborne Troops, promptly open fire on the teacher when he goes out to confront them. Pandemonium follows as students flee amid gunfire from the troops. In downtown Calumet, Cuban and Soviet troops are trying to impose order after a hasty occupation of the town. Shortly thereafter, Colonel Bella (a Cuban officer) instructs the KGB to go to the local sporting goods store and obtain the ATF Form 4473 forms, which name citizens who own firearms.[1]

Jed Eckert, his brother Matt, and their friends Robert, Danny, Daryl, and Aardvark flee into the wilderness after hastily equipping themselves at Robert's father's sporting goods store. After several weeks in the forest, they return to town and Jed and Matt learn that their father has now been captured and is being held in a Soviet reeducation camp. They visit the site and speak to him through the fence; Mr. Eckert orders his two sons to abandon him there, but to "avenge" him. They then visit the Masons and learn that they are behind 40 miles of enemy lines in "Occupied America" (as opposed to Free America, the unoccupied zone) and that Robert's father has been executed because the guns from his store - the ones he gave to the boys - were found to be missing by the occupation authorities. The couple also charge the boys with taking care of their two granddaughters, Toni and Erica. After being forced into killing Soviet soldiers taking a pleasure tour, the youths begin an armed resistance against the occupation forces—calling themselves "Wolverines" after their high school mascot. Initially the occupation forces try reprisal tactics, executing groups of civilians following every Wolverine attack, in hopes of intimidating the local population and compelling the Wolverines to surrender or desist from further attacks. It is during one of these executions that the father of the Eckert brothers is killed.[2] Daryl's father, who is also Calumet's mayor, tries to appease the occupation authorities in an attempt to save as many lives as he can. In a side plot the Cuban commander, Colonel Bella, becomes severely disillusioned with the war and the destruction it causes but feels helpless to do anything about it.

At one point the teenagers find a downed United States Air Force pilot, Lt-Col. Andrew Tanner, and from him they learn about the current state of the war: several key communication centers such as Washington, D.C., Kansas City, and Omaha, Nebraska were obliterated by nuclear weapons, America's Strategic Air Command has been crippled in a surprise attack by undercover Cuban saboteurs, and the paratroopers the youths have encountered were dropped from fake commercial airliners to seize key positions in preparation for subsequent massive assaults via Mexico and Alaska. The Soviets' Cuban and Nicaraguan allies (supported by Russian special forces) invading from Mexico occupied the Great Plains between the Rocky Mountains and the Mississippi River, as far north as a line stretching from Cheyenne through Kansas, with Denver enduring a grueling siege. Meanwhile, 60 Russian divisions crossed the Bering Strait to seize Alaska and much of Canada, intending to link up with their allies in the Great Plains, but a decisive American counterattack near the US-Canada border halted Soviet progress and the lines have stabilized. Since the Soviets need to take America intact, and since the United States is unwilling to cause such damage to its own soil, both sides refrain from further use of nuclear weapons and conventional fighting dominates the war.

 

[Mulli]

Nicaraguan

Thanks. I gotta watch that show again.

 

[Dback Jon]

Thanks. I gotta watch that show again.

See my plot synopsis above

 

[Zeno]

I had some hope for this remake at one time...now not so much. Pandering to the Chinese is ridiculous and I can't imagine how bad the film is overall to be sitting without a release date for this long.

 

[Renz]

I don't think so. I don't recall the parashooters at the high school being Cuban.

The head Latin American commander was Cuban, but his chief deputy was Nicaraguan.

 

[conraddobler]

Again, the original made no sense, there's no way we'd be surprised enough when that movie was made to allow someone to drop troops over our soil, that deep into our territory.

You could head our way, you could fill the planes with troops, you could get near our border but keeping your plane intact long enough to drop troops out of it is ridiculous.

Still liked the movie.

The remake is ridiculous, I refuse to spend good money on movies with plot holes 8 miles wide.

The last one I watched like that was the 2nd Transformers movie, that movie openly laughs at a plausible plot, it just gets in your face and says, we made it for the special effects and we know you're going to pony up the 10 bucks and like it, so shut up.

I halfway respect that, still I like my movies with a plot, like I like my burgers with actual meat.

 

[Mulli]

The head Latin American commander was Cuban, but his chief deputy was Nicaraguan.

I lost the brain cells that stored that information a long time ago.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Red Dawn Trailer:

http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/red-d...ed-dawn-2010-theatrical-trailer-30244194.html

 

[Gaddabout]

Red Dawn Trailer:

http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/red-d...ed-dawn-2010-theatrical-trailer-30244194.html

So they didn't really update the story, they just stylized it? Changed the bad guys?

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[UncleChris]

No, NO, HELL NO!