Redoing the 2019 Draft

[Chris_Sanders]

https://theathletic.com/1560158/202...riters-pick-again-knowing-what-they-know-now/

Spoiler AZ and SF got it right

1. Arizona Cardinals
The pick: Taking quarterback Kyler Murray with the No. 1 pick — a year after selecting Josh Rosen at No. 10 — was certainly an unconventional decision by Arizona but one that proved correct. Murray had a terrific rookie season and, given his position and the responsibility he inherited, should be the leading candidate for offensive rookie of the year.

They should have picked: No one else. The Cardinals have their franchise quarterback in Murray, and he’s on a rookie contract. It’s an ideal situation for a rebuilding team, particularly one with more than $50 million in cap space. If general manager Steve Keim makes sound decisions this offseason, Arizona can go from a last-place NFC West team each of the last two seasons to a playoff contender in 2020.

— Scott Bordow

2. San Francisco 49ers
The pick: There were two worries about Nick Bosa: Would he be injury-prone? And would his Trump-leaning political views clash in the 49ers locker room? Both turned out to be unfounded. Bosa played in every game this season and quickly became part of perhaps the most tightknit — and certainly the most dominant — position group on the 49ers.

They should have picked: Bosa. It was as if the 49ers drafted a six-year veteran in the body of a 21-year-old. Bosa arrived not only with advanced-level pass-rush skills but with an older player’s work, study and recovery habits. He seems like the top candidate to win defensive rookie of the year.

— Matt Barrows

 

[Solar7]

Here's hoping. I don't think KK is the answer, which will make things very interesting into the future. Is Kyler going to be good in another system? We'll see!

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Here's hoping. I don't think KK is the answer, which will make things very interesting into the future. Is Kyler going to be good in another system? We'll see!

His accuracy says yes but his size will always be a what if

 

[Veer]

I don't think KK is the answer

As a HC the jury is still out. But I have no doubts that KK is the perfect QB coach for KM. KK lead our offense that was dead last with basically the same personel to a decent level, the only major switch being from Rosen to KM. Lack of playmakers, OL played better under Kugler but still nothing to write home about.

If you don't think KK is the answer, I guess you want a defensive coach or an offensive dinosaur like Schottenheimer, McCoy, Whis or Arians to force their dusty schemes on the smallish but explosive and accurate QB that is KM?

 

[Solar7]

As a HC the jury is still out. But I have no doubts that KK is the perfect QB coach for KM. KK lead our offense that was dead last with basically the same personel to a decent level, the only major switch being from Rosen to KM. Lack of playmakers, OL played better under Kugler but still nothing to write home about.

If you don't think KK is the answer, I guess you want a defensive coach or an offensive dinosaur like Schottenheimer, McCoy, Whis or Arians to force their dusty schemes on the smallish but explosive and accurate QB that is KM?

Why do people jump from "he doesn't like KK who has never won anywhere and had no NFL experience" to "he must want a miserable old retread?"

I mean, give me Arians back any day, but no, I want a guy who has an NFL pedigree and isn't a glorified OC. We picked up Kliff from the scrap heap. Not even another college team wanted him as HC, he had no NFL OC offers, and sure, the Jets were rumored to be interested, but he wasn't exactly a hot candidate.

 

[DVontel]

Why do people jump from "he doesn't like KK who has never won anywhere and had no NFL experience" to "he must want a miserable old retread?"

I mean, give me Arians back any day, but no, I want a guy who has an NFL pedigree and isn't a glorified OC. We picked up Kliff from the scrap heap. Not even another college team wanted him as HC, he had no NFL OC offers, and sure, the Jets were rumored to be interested, but he wasn't exactly a hot candidate.

I mean, you did want dinosaurs such as McCarthy & Rivera as HCs. You were hyped for the McCoy hire.

 

[BritCard]

Its more interesting to look at the later rounds.

We could have had,

Wait I thought this was easy but literally most of round 2 performed better than Byron Murphy.

at #33 we could have had Jawaan Taylor, Deebo Samuel, Greg Little, Cody Ford, Rock Ya-Sin, Sean Murphy Bunting, Risner, Elgton Jenkins, AJ Brown, Miles Sanders, Mecole Hardman. Long list of players that had better seasons.

at #62 we could have had Juan Thornhill or DK Metcalf. The only 2 players between Isabella and Zach Allen. One won a super bowl. The other was the most talked about rookie WR in the league.

at #65 we could have had DreMont Jones, Diontae Johnson, Terry McClaurin, Chase Winovich, Sione TakiTaki

at #103 we could have had Chauncey Gardner Johnson, Maxx Crosby, Khari Willis, Drue Tranquill.

at #139 we could have had Dre Greenlaw, Hunter Renfrow (the good Andy Isabella), Mack Wilson, Darius Slayton,

And so on and so forth. All players that had significantly better seasons than the players we drafted.

This is my problem with Keim and our scouting department. It's extremely rare to look back at any draft and say "In that round he took the best player he could have picked". There are always several better players gone imminently after our pick.

Every team has their flubs, but they also have their fair share of getting it right. We NEVER get it right.

 

[DVontel]

Meh, I still believe in Byron.

So/so on Zach.

Not really with Isabella/Hakeem.

 

[juza76]

Meh, I still believe in Byron.

So/so on Zach.

Not really with Isabella/Hakeem.

I would change immediately all the picks since round 2

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I mean, you did want dinosaurs such as McCarthy & Rivera as HCs. You were hyped for the McCoy hire.

Oof, low blow.

 

[Solar7]

I mean, you did want dinosaurs such as McCarthy & Rivera as HCs. You were hyped for the McCoy hire.

McCarthy and Rivera aren’t dinosaurs. They’re also not bad coaches. They’ve done way more in this league than KK has ever done at any level though.

I wasn’t “hyped” for McCoy. I thought he might be alright.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Its more interesting to look at the later rounds.

We could have had,

Wait I thought this was easy but literally most of round 2 performed better than Byron Murphy.

at #33 we could have had Jawaan Taylor, Deebo Samuel, Greg Little, Cody Ford, Rock Ya-Sin, Sean Murphy Bunting, Risner, Elgton Jenkins, AJ Brown, Miles Sanders, Mecole Hardman. Long list of players that had better seasons.

at #62 we could have had Juan Thornhill or DK Metcalf. The only 2 players between Isabella and Zach Allen. One won a super bowl. The other was the most talked about rookie WR in the league.

at #65 we could have had DreMont Jones, Diontae Johnson, Terry McClaurin, Chase Winovich, Sione TakiTaki

at #103 we could have had Chauncey Gardner Johnson, Maxx Crosby, Khari Willis, Drue Tranquill.

at #139 we could have had Dre Greenlaw, Hunter Renfrow (the good Andy Isabella), Mack Wilson, Darius Slayton,

And so on and so forth. All players that had significantly better seasons than the players we drafted.

This is my problem with Keim and our scouting department. It's extremely rare to look back at any draft and say "In that round he took the best player he could have picked". There are always several better players gone imminently after our pick.

Every team has their flubs, but they also have their fair share of getting it right. We NEVER get it right.

We got it right R1P1...

This team only gets 1 pick right per year. That's the problem.

 

[Solar7]

We got it right R1P1...

This team only gets 1 pick right per year. That's the problem.

And that’s if we even get one pick right. Plenty here would move on from Kirk, and the rest of 2018 are all non factors.

 

[DVontel]

McCarthy and Rivera aren’t dinosaurs. They’re also not bad coaches. They’ve done way more in this league than KK has ever done at any level though.

I wasn’t “hyped” for McCoy. I thought he might be alright.

McCarthy was a product of one of the greatest QBs of all time. Imagine underachieving that hard with Brett Favre & Aaron Rodgers.

Rivera is a Captain conservative coward & covered the spot line of the real brains behind those Carolina teams in Sean McDermott. Also pretty much held Cam back to his fullest potential by giving a pathetic OC in Mike Shula to work with.


They’re coaches that are clearly stuck in the 1990s.

You like dinosaurs. It’s okay to admit it.

 

[TheCardFan]

I would change immediately all the picks since round 2

So would most teams. Hindsight is always 20/20

 

[dreamcastrocks]

So would most teams. Hindsight is always 20/20

Of course most teams would. With that said, most teams nail draft picks on a more consistent basis. I don't have the stats to back me up, but I would wager that we are in the bottom 5 in giving 2nd contracts to our draft picks.

 

[juza76]

Probably one of the worst second round picks duo ever

 

[DVontel]

I would change immediately all the picks since round 2

I mean, all those 2nd round picks could have a Baker Mayfield 2nd season-like year. It’s not guaranteed they’ll have future success nor Byron won’t be a great player.


Deebo, Risner, AJ, & Jenkins the only players I see from that 2nd round list that I think I will have continued success.

 

[juza76]

I mean, all those 2nd round picks could have a Baker Mayfield 2nd season-like year. It’s not guaranteed they’ll have future success nor Byron won’t be a great player.


Deebo, Risner, AJ, & Jenkins the only players I see from that 2nd round list that I think I will have continued success.

Byron has some length and speed limitations plus didn't look smart on coverage
He is good tackler sure but just in Keim's draft board could be ranked 6th overall

 

[Dr. Jones]

Byron has some length and speed limitations plus didn't look smart on coverage
He is good tackler sure but just in Keim's draft board could be ranked 6th overall

Good point..... this may be why they originally wanted him in the slot.

I still contend that if Okudah is there at 9 (long shot, I know) he is our #2 after Young. Then Simmons at #3.

 

[juza76]

Good point..... this may be why they originally wanted him in the slot.

I still contend that if Okudah is there at 9 (long shot, I know) he is our #2 after Young. Then Simmons at #3.

Yeah but how a nfl general manager can rank a slot corner sixth overall?

 

[Dr. Jones]

Yeah but how a nfl general manager can rank a slot corner sixth overall?

yeah..... Not just any GM though...... He's OUR GM!!!!

 

[BritCard]

Byron has some length and speed limitations plus didn't look smart on coverage
He is good tackler sure but just in Keim's draft board could be ranked 6th overall

He's definitely more suited to the slot. Possibly even converting to safety. He did not look like a good outside corner.

Hopefully he proves me wrong.