Reid: Eagles looked into Boldin trade (Philadelphia Inquirer)

[imaCafan]

Eagles coach Andy Reid said yesterday in an interview on the morning show on WIP-AM (610) that the team checked into the availability of Arizona wide receiver Anquan Boldin before the NFL draft, but found the price too high. Reid suggested the price might have been first-, third- and fifth-round draft picks. "That's a lot of picks, No. 1," Reid said. "And then you're going to pay the guy $10 million. So you get hit on both sides of it." Instead, the Eagles traded up two spots and selected Missouri receiver Jeremy Maclin in the first round. Reid said he thought Arizona probably wasn't willing to part with Boldin. If the Cardinals were, a deal would have been struck.

 

[lauraw]

Yeah!!!The Cardinals weren't willing to part with Boldin!!!

 

[jaguarpaw81]

That doesn't excite me. We will never be able to get what we could have gotten this year for Q. Now I think we will get very little this offseason. Infact, I'll be shocked if we are even able to get more than a 2nd rounder.

Once again, way to go Rod. I know he'll be fired soon and that's the only things that keeps me from going off more about his ineptiitude.

 

[moklerman]

It's interesting to see how people view Rod Graves. I know he's not known as being a great GM but I think he and the Cardinals have handled this situation just as they should have. I don't think anyone bats 1.000 and overall, Graves seems to have done a pretty good job over the last few years.

I suppose it can be said that some players have been overpaid but does the end result justify the moves? Some of the things that I recall are re-signing Fitzgerald, not over paying for Faneca, not over-paying Leonard Davis, bringing in Whis/Grimm, not over-paying Pace, etc.

To the topic at hand, the Boldin situation seems to be a mess but look at it from the team's point of view. Boldin was a complete value pick in the draft, they re-negotiated with him at the right time and have him at a very manageable number through the best years of his career. Even worst case scenario, they lose him and don't get any compensation for him...in two years.

Looking at the situation with a clinical eye, would that really be so bad? Boldin's just not going to play into his mid to late 30's and if the Cardinals lose him just as he's turning 30 rather than commit...$20M? $30M? More?

I'm sure many of the criticisms of Graves are earned and well-deserved but since '04, it seems that he and the FO have been moving in the right direction. Getting there over sometimes rocky roads but I haven't seen any shortage of spending or willingness to improve the team.

 

[az jam]

It's interesting to see how people view Rod Graves. I know he's not known as being a great GM but I think he and the Cardinals have handled this situation just as they should have. I don't think anyone bats 1.000 and overall, Graves seems to have done a pretty good job over the last few years.

I suppose it can be said that some players have been overpaid but does the end result justify the moves? Some of the things that I recall are re-signing Fitzgerald, not over paying for Faneca, not over-paying Leonard Davis, bringing in Whis/Grimm, not over-paying Pace, etc.

To the topic at hand, the Boldin situation seems to be a mess but look at it from the team's point of view. Boldin was a complete value pick in the draft, they re-negotiated with him at the right time and have him at a very manageable number through the best years of his career. Even worst case scenario, they lose him and don't get any compensation for him...in two years.

Looking at the situation with a clinical eye, would that really be so bad? Boldin's just not going to play into his mid to late 30's and if the Cardinals lose him just as he's turning 30 rather than commit...$20M? $30M? More?

I'm sure many of the criticisms of Graves are earned and well-deserved but since '04, it seems that he and the FO have been moving in the right direction. Getting there over sometimes rocky roads but I haven't seen any shortage of spending or willingness to improve the team.

Good post, it also helps to have a sold out first class stadium with a positive cash flow.

 

[Totally_Red]

Andy Reid is no Jerry Jones.

Don't know much about Jason Peters, but the big guy gave up a lot to get him as well. Andy just would rather spend on his linemen than on position players.

 

[moklerman]

Andy just would rather spend on his linemen than on position players.

I would really be interested in seeing what Reid could do without being handcuffed to McNabb. I know most people think pretty highly of McNabb but I've never thought he was really the best fit for that offense. And I certainly think that other QB's would have had Philly in the Super Bowl more often all things being equal.

Reid's formula is sound and his teams are ALWAYS in contention so to me, his career has unfortunately been shaped by either taking or being given(I don't know if he made the pick or the GM at the time since it was Reid's first draft)McNabb. I suppose you could say that it's also benefitted from McNabb's play over the years but I'm confident that the Eagles would have been at least in the same place without McNabb if Reid was there.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

That doesn't excite me. We will never be able to get what we could have gotten this year for Q. Now I think we will get very little this offseason. Infact, I'll be shocked if we are even able to get more than a 2nd rounder.

Once again, way to go Rod. I know he'll be fired soon and that's the only things that keeps me from going off more about his ineptiitude.

How inept of Rod to not agree to a trade below market value. Clearly a firing offence.

By-the-way... how exactly do you KNOW that Rod will be fired?

 

[Zeno]

I have to applaud the team on this one. Why settle for less than what Dallas gave up for Roy Williams?

 

[Totally_Red]

I have to applaud the team on this one. Why settle for less than what Dallas gave up for Roy Williams?

IMO, they boxed Rosenhaus in by outsmarting him. All he can say is "I think Anquan will be traded, I think Anquan will be traded, I think Anquan will be traded, but I don't really know because the Cardinals won't give me permission to shop him."

If he's critical of the Cardinals for not taking an extreme low-ball offer of a single second-rounder, then he's saying his client is worth a whole lot less than Roy Williams. In that case, the acquiring club should pay his client a whole lot less than Williams got.

BTW, the nanosecond a team gives Drew Rosenhaus permission to shop one of their players is the nanosecond that team is forever his puppet.

 

[splitsecond]

That doesn't excite me. We will never be able to get what we could have gotten this year for Q. Now I think we will get very little this offseason. Infact, I'll be shocked if we are even able to get more than a 2nd rounder.

Once again, way to go Rod. I know he'll be fired soon and that's the only things that keeps me from going off more about his ineptiitude.

It really amazes me that this kind of stupidity continues to get posted on the board considering that ole inept Rod has helped build one of, if not the best offense in the NFL.

 

[Totally_Red]

It really amazes me that this kind of stupidity continues to get posted on the board considering that ole inept Rod has helped build one of, if not the best offense in the NFL.

Yeah he has helped put together a solid talent-laden roster, but contract negotiation is definitely not one of his strengths. If he gets A-Dub AND Q done before training camp I'll change my tune on that.

 

[football karma]

I think you have to look at the motivation for the comments--

Andy is simply covering his/the Eagles backside in the fans eyes by justifying not getting Boldin due to the Cardinals steep demands --

the difference is really money related. The Eagles ended up giving a 1st and a 6th round pick to move up to take...... a WR. So for the additional price of a third round pick, they could have had a proven Pro Bowl WR who will be productive from day one, rather than a guy who might be good, but might not be either.

Did I mention the Eagles are also something like $25mm under the cap?

 

[cgolden]

I have to applaud the team on this one. Why settle for less than what Dallas gave up for Roy Williams?

Some people may called the Cardinals attempts half-hearted but I've got no problem with that. I thought from the outset that it would take a mind-blowing deal to land Boldin and it looks like they were thinking the same thing. I see no reason to just 'take what you can get.'

 

[ARZCardinals]

Cards wanted a first and third....not an additional 5th.

 

[BigDavis75]

Cards wanted a first and third....not an additional 5th.

Drafting Maclin with a 1st is the same as trading it for Boldin so really the only difference was a third rounder.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

How inept of Rod to not agree to a trade below market value. Clearly a firing offence.

By-the-way... how exactly do you KNOW that Rod will be fired?

lol. how do you define "market value" - cuz apparently the cards were asking for above market value, if they weren't, boldin would have been traded.

you're likely to state that jerry jones set the market with the roy williams trade, but that was the midseason market. if no one is willing to pay that same price during the offseason, the market has been reset.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Cards wanted a first and third....not an additional 5th.

i think reid knows what the cards requested better than you.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Drafting Maclin with a 1st is the same as trading it for Boldin so really the only difference was a third rounder.

no, a 3rd and 5th and a MUCH higher salary for an older and injury-prone player.

 

[ARZCardinals]

i think reid knows what the cards requested better than you.

The cards announced they wanted a first and third...it was on the Cards main web page. I don't think they all of a sudden upped the price.

I think Reid is trying to calm the masses.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

lol. how do you define "market value" - cuz apparently the cards were asking for above market value, if they weren't, boldin would have been traded.

you're likely to state that jerry jones set the market with the roy williams trade, but that was the midseason market. if no one is willing to pay that same price during the offseason, the market has been reset.

Markets are set by both buyers and sellers. The Cards valued their asset as a first and third round pick, that others countered with a lesser price, does not in itself set the value.

At auction, items have a minimum price and are withdrawn unless that price is reached. Every once in a while, you get a bargain because the auctioneer has decided to make this a sacrifice item, but, this is rare.

Some were looking for a bargain and hoped that the contention around Q would have our FO raise their hands in surrender. They got it wrong. The item was taken off the block.

 

[Totally_Red]

Markets are set by both buyers and sellers. The Cards valued their asset as a first and third round pick, that others countered with a lesser price, does not in itself set the value.

At auction, items have a minimum price and are withdrawn unless that price is reached. Every once in a while, you get a bargain because the auctioneer has decided to make this a sacrifice item, but, this is rare.

Some were looking for a bargain and hoped that the contention around Q would have our FO raise their hands in surrender. They got it wrong. The item was taken off the block.

All good points. The other thing is that sometimes an item (or player) has more value and usefulness to one owner than another. For example, Al Davis significantly undervalues wide receivers who can't run a 4.3 40-yard dash. Thus a pro-bowl receiver like Larry or Q isn't worth much to him. Did I mention the Ray-duhs haven't won much lately?

 

[Skkorpion]

I'm so sick of having to ferret out the manure in what others misstate to pile on to Graves.

Here again is Reid's quote, which was properly shown in the thread starter:

Reid suggested the price might have been first-, third- and fifth-round draft picks.

Now, Ouchie, as a lawyer trained in the use of logic and language, who uses argument to make a living, tell me please, from that quote, where Andy Reid told us what the Cards wanted for Boldin.

He didn't really tell us anything, did he? Not what he offered. Not what the Cards said they wanted. He didn't even tell us if the Cards gave him a solid idea of what they might accept.

He "suggested" the price "might".... that's coach speak for "We didn't get Anquan Boldin and we want to give Eagle fans the impression that we tried hard but the Cards wanted too much and I'm saying it like this so I don't put the Cards in the position that they have to publicly tell their fans I'm lying because I'm not."

That's it. There is nothing more there. The truths we know are that he did inquire about Boldin and did not get him.

 

[studiovx]

It really amazes me that this kind of stupidity continues to get posted on the board considering that ole inept Rod has helped build one of, if not the best offense in the NFL.

Exactly. Well, in the end, I guess Anquan (whom I believe is a warrior on the field) is not worth as much as he and his agent seem to believe. Can't blame Rod for handling it in just this manner. If Anquan is truly the impact player he values himself to be, then asking for equal value (i.e. not a second & late round pick) is not out of the question. We should be glad that we don't have to cow to this kind of crap anymore.

 

[jmt]

That doesn't excite me. We will never be able to get what we could have gotten this year for Q. Now I think we will get very little this offseason. Infact, I'll be shocked if we are even able to get more than a 2nd rounder.

Once again, way to go Rod. I know he'll be fired soon and that's the only things that keeps me from going off more about his ineptiitude.

Pathetic.