All this outrage over the Cardinals in the Superbowl. This asshat in the newsweek article doesn't even mention our road went through Carolina where not a single other team won a game this year. Are you kidding me? How do you write that article, hang the entire argument on the fact the Cardinals got a home game against a team that was 9-6-1, and leave out the fact that the only reason the game was played in the first place was our annhilation of a team no one else beat on their home field this year. What a waste of time. What a dishonest piece of slimy garbage this guy is. Disgusting.
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Couldn't agree more.
ZOMG, The Cardinals are in the Super Bowl!! The whole seeding system is broken!! the sky is falling, the sky is falling!
And we also have to make a provision about what a team does with their
C O N V E R T I B L E dome.
Whats next? We have to change our logo because some of the other players find our bird too ferocious and distracting?
No wait I have it.. Fitz has to wear weights on his ankles because he simply jumps too damn high.
On the other hand the Cards non-division opponents were 98-61-1. By comparison the Eagles opponents were 73-86-1 so things balanced out.
The NFL and the Bidwills benefit hugely from the Cards playing and winning at home. There are now a million more people interested in the NFL in Arizona and merchandise sales are through the roof in a terrible economy.
As for the East coast teams coming west I've already posted that the Cards are 7-2 the last two years at home against "eastern" teams. 8-2 if you throw in Dallas from the NFC East. The Cards beat Atlanta twice, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Philadelphia, Dallas, Miami and Buffalo.
In 2007 NFC West division winner Seattle was 5-0 against Eastern teams at home. That's 10-1 the last two years for the NFC West Champion at home against "eastern" teams.
Since its creation in 2002 the NFC West Champion has never lost a home playoff game to an eastern team (7-0). No wonder you guys want to change things. The "sour grapes" seeding plan.
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LOL in 2007 the Packers and Cowboys were 13-3 and only one other team in the conference managed to get to 10-6. So the Packers still played their spares against the Lions in game 16.
I'm sure the fans love those games between 4-11 teams the last week of the season as well. Maybe the NFL should have a consolation bracket so that teams that are out of contention by week 10 could start over to give those late season games between the leagues losers importance.
No wonder my search engine says this guys site will harm your computer.
Reliable statistical measure of what?
Winning percentage does not involve statistical probability whatsoever. The sample is the entire population.
You win more games, you should get to host a playoff game. It doesn't mean that you will win. It doesn't mean that you are a better team. It means that you have earned the right to host a playoff game, by a measurement that is far less arbitrary than winning a division.
BTW, this mess is all the result of NFL realignment in 2002. Under the old alignment, the Cardinals would have finished 4th in the NFC East, and this would have been this year's playoff seeding in the NFC:
1. x-Giants 12-4
2. x-Panthers 12-4
3. x-Vikings 10-6
4. Falcons 11-5
5. Eagles 9-6-1
6. Bucs 9-7
This seeding isn't actually that bad, though I would have rather seen the Cardinals at the 6th seed than the slumping Bucs. The only screwed up thing about this seeding is that the Vikings, at 10-6, would be seeded higher than the 11-5 Falcons. But the Falcons would have hosted a playoff game anyway. In fact, the only place where record would have become a problem would have been if the Falcons and Vikings had met in the NFCCG.
In the AFC, it would have been:
1. x-Titans 13-3
2. x-Colts 12-4
3. x-Chargers 8-8
4. Steelers 12-4
5. Ravens 11-5
6. Dolphins 11-5
Same six teams. Here, the Dolphins would have had to play at the Chargers, which is still messed up. The Ravens would have played at the Steelers. The Colts, winners of the AFC East, would have had a bye week.
I hope the Lions make the Super Bowl next year. Then everyone will be REALLY pissed off.
Ridiculous.
Ridiculous.
HookemCards
Have at you!!!!!
How would the Card's finished 4th in the East? And why is any of this relevent? I mean, I know you are upset that you aren't going to the Super Bowl, but really if a superior 11-5 team, and superior 12-4 team, and superior 9-6-1 team can't knock of the Cards in 3 tries.....maybe they aren't really superior.
HookemCards
Have at you!!!!!
Lions (8-8) vs. Chiefs (9-7) Both win their divisions.
Chiefs beat Pats in KC in AFC Champ.
Lions beat Eagles in Det. in NFC Champ.
That would be great!!!
Actually, I forgot that the Cards beat the Cowboys head-to-head, so they would have finished 3rd in the NFC East, not 4th.
The only reason that the Cardinals even had a home playoff game is because the league created four divisions in 2002. That increased the likelihood that teams with mediocre records during the regular season would host playoff games. Prior to that, there is no way under any circumstance that the Cardinals host a playoff game this year, let alone the NFCCG. Even if the Cardinals realigned with the NFC West under the old divisional format, they finish second to the Falcons. Falcons at Cardinals was only made possible by the creation of four divisions. And ultimately, this hasn't been good for the game.
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What is so ridiculous about this statement: 'If you win more games than another playoff team, you should be rewarded with a home playoff game'?
How about this statement: 'If you have a better winning record AND you beat a team head-to-head during the regular season, they should have to play you at your stadium'?
Wait -- let me grab a beer, this should be interesting.
Yeah, that would be really great for the league. I think if that happened, the NFL would need a federal bailout, too.
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I find it ridiculous that, because the Cardinals made it to the Super Bowl, that people are talking about revamping the whole system.
There is never going to be a system that is considered 100% fair.
I'm sorry your Eagles lost. Get over it.
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I find it ridiculous that, because the Cardinals made it to the Super Bowl, that people are talking about revamping the whole system.
There is never going to be a system that is considered 100% fair.
I'm sorry your Eagles lost. Get over it.
Living in Philly, I can tell you that the fruit of the week here is sour grapes.
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Go away. Your team had its chance and lost. Get over it.
I find it ridiculous that, because the Cardinals made it to the Super Bowl, that people are talking about revamping the whole system.
There is never going to be a system that is considered 100% fair.
I'm sorry your Eagles lost. Get over it.
Talk actually began last year, after the Giants and Jag both had to play on the road despite having a superior record. That the Giants went on to win the SB, put the topic on the radar at the owners' meeting last year. It probably has accelerated after the Colts, tied for the second best record in football, had to play on the road on six days rest against an 8-8 team. Had the Colts won that game, reseeding would have been a lock for 2009. Now, I would say that it is a distant possibility for 2009, a likely possibility for 2010, and guaranteed for 2011. Get used to the idea, it's going to happen.
We'll see.
Actually, I came here to post that Jim Johnson, a former Cardinal coach, has late stage melanoma cancer. He has about a 15% chance of long-term survival. He coached the DBs at Arizona from '86 to '93. I really did this as a kind gesture to the posters on this MB more than anything else.
Then some poster ignored the post entirely and brought up the topic. Classless on his/her part? Perhaps. But I have never been one to shy away from robustly defending my beliefs. Somehow, my belief that having more wins should matter in the NFL was attributed to my sour grapes about the Eagles losing to the Cardinals. Voila!
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Your first two posts in this thread are about seeding and how unfair the present system is so I call BS as to why you are here.
Sad to hear about Jim Johnson. Your Eagles are yesterday's news though so you should be back on the Eagle's boards talking about the draft or McNabb or Reid or whatever it is you people like doing.
Go back and look. This topic had been dead for two days. Then I added the post about JJ.
I am sorry that open debate by fans from other teams is so troubling to you. I suppose that had I been talking about the NFCCG that you would have a point. It really hasn't been a factor in my posts, though. To me, it seems that I may have touched a nerve, because you know deep down that I am right.
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We are playing in a Superbowl tomorrow you goofball. Go back to your Eagle boards and talk about how you were ripped off.
We don't care...............
You have replied to me three times now. You care.
Reseeding the playoffs is not about the Eagles. It is about the NFL, and the last time I checked, the NFL was very much part of the Superbowl.
BTW, nowhere will you find that I have claimed that the Eagles were ripped off.
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I was hoping you would see the light and go away. Maybe come back and talk aboout this after the Superbowl which is all we care about right now. Anyone with half a brain would realize that. I have not engaged you in any discussion on this topic as it means very little to me right now. Obviously I was wrong and you are just being obnoxious.
Consider yourself ignored.
That would be four times now.
I agree that you have not engaged me in discussion. Rather than debate on the merits of your position, your campaign has been entirely one to quiet a voice of opposition. Nothing more. Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.
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My god, is this still going on?
C'mon fellas. Pull it together here. Hug it out *******'.
C'mon fellas. Pull it together here. Hug it out *******'.
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Sweet - and then you can jump into your time machine and have the 2008 NFC championship game played at the LINC!
Listen dude if I was on the other side and the home filed provided such an advantage I might be a little bitter too. But what are you going to do. You gotta play the cards your dealt and we have played them DAMN well. Lets give credit where credit is due. Your boys had the chance to settle it on the field and they couldn't.
Whats the point in trying to be play the "what if" game and pretend things should be different because it was your team that lost? You sound like sad pathetic Raider fan about the infamous tuck game.
I don't expect us to have any more 9-7 records and getting in the playoffs from this point on anyway.
Expectations have been raised here. Its 12 wins or bust
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