Report: Saints seeking first round pick in trade for former head coach Sean Payton

[QuebecCard]

Sure, but with context they had some historically bad defenses and injuries those years. Saints were still one of the most pitiful franchises before them.

Let's just wait for another good coach to come here (that actually wants to come here) at the right opportunity then we will totally win. Since we are the oldest team in the league, it's bound to happen any day now.


Yep, any day now. 1st round picks are rare, you almost never get them and they always turn out well.

Subtract our kicker, punter and snapper, and we aren't the oldest team in the league.

 

[QuebecCard]

Andy Reid calls the plays. Is he coming here too?

Reid shares playcalling with Eric Bieniemy.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Bienemy wouldn’t even take the interview here last time. The team is in even worse shape now with such a massive contract/question mark at QB.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

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[Zalixar]

Bienemy wouldn’t even take the interview here last time. The team is in even worse shape now with such a massive contract/question mark at QB.

Yeah, AZ is one of the least desirable places and it shows. M.B. better break open the vault if he wants to win. This is the best chance he's ever gunna get.

 

[speedy]

The Saints are going to get a first.

 

[AZ Native]

Reid shares playcalling with Eric Bieniemy.

So that’s a Waffle House menu Andy is holding?

 

[The6]

Cards should not give a number one draft pick for Payton.

Why not. At least we'll know the pick won't be screwed up.

 

[Totally_Red]

Not the #4 overall pick, but I'd give up next year's first and this year's second. You need an elite coach in a division with Shanahan, McVay, and even Carroll.

 

[Harry]

Not the #4 overall pick, but I'd give up next year's first and this year's second. You need an elite coach in a division with Shanahan, McVay, and even Carroll.

I totally agree you don’t give up the 4. Denver has no first or even a second. The competition would be Indy and Carolina, but what head coach wants to take a team with no first and no QB. So I don’t see the need to give up that #4 and It’s certainly looking like the Cards get pick 4. Even if a miracle happens and the Cards win, they can’t fall below 5. Indy takes one of the QBs, but several teams will duel to grab the next one, as he’s rated well above the 4th QB prospect. I think the Cards definitely move down (I see Carter & Anderson both gone) and acquire another 2 as part of the package. They could the give the Saints 2 second round picks this year (likely the Saints‘ demand). I think the Saints would settle for a second in 2023 & a second in 2024 if the Cards don’t panic. That 2023 pick would be strong considering the pool, giving 2 seconds in the 2023 pool is too much. Assume Carolina gets the Cards’ choice. The Cards would give the Saints pick 35 but get Pick 40 and 111. That’s a small overpay on most charts, but QB picks typically get that.

 

[QuebecCard]

So that’s a Waffle House menu Andy is holding?

Yes, and Eric is also holding a copy of the same menu.

 

[QuebecCard]

Not the #4 overall pick, but I'd give up next year's first and this year's second. You need an elite coach in a division with Shanahan, McVay, and even Carroll.

We can find a well-organised leader of men without giving up critical draft capital at this juncture. And, first and foremost, it's a competent, creative offensive coordinator aided by a similarly solid QB coach that will get the best out of KM.

 

[football karma]

They could the give the Saints 2 second round picks this year (likely the Saints‘ demand). I think the Saints would settle for a second in 2023 & a second in 2024 if the Cards don’t panic.

thats a realistic ask given the circumstances

 

[QuebecCard]

I totally agree you don’t give up the 4. Denver has no first or even a second. The competition would be Indy and Carolina, but what head coach wants to take a team with no first and no QB. So I don’t see the need to give up that #4 and It’s certainly looking like the Cards get pick 4. Even if a miracle happens and the Cards win, they can’t fall below 5. Indy takes one of the QBs, but several teams will duel to grab the next one, as he’s rated well above the 4th QB prospect. I think the Cards definitely move down (I see Carter & Anderson both gone) and acquire another 2 as part of the package. They could the give the Saints 2 second round picks this year (likely the Saints‘ demand). I think the Saints would settle for a second in 2023 & a second in 2024 if the Cards don’t panic. That 2023 pick would be strong considering the pool, giving 2 seconds in the 2023 pool is too much. Assume Carolina gets the Cards’ choice. The Cards would give the Saints pick 35 but get Pick 40 and 111. That’s a small overpay on most charts, but QB picks typically get that.

Except you are negotiating the Payton compensation prior to final draft evaluations and an agreement in place for a trade-down.

 

[football karma]

as an aside:

very curious if the league office brokers a reasonable settlement should it come to it.

#4 overall is too high. But as Quebec noted above: you have to agree to a deal months before the draft.

we know the league office stepped in and brokered a deal when Tampa hired Arians

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Bienemy wouldn’t even take the interview here last time. The team is in even worse shape now with such a massive contract/question mark at QB.

At this point, for some reason, there's enough going against Bienemy that I wouldn't want him in AZ. Needier teams have passed him over the years...there has to be a reason. He's gonna end up the offensive version of Ray Horton. Something with attitude or personality must be turning owners off during interviews...or a deep dark secret has been privately revealed during background checks.

 

[GatorAZ]

Not the #4 overall pick, but I'd give up next year's first and this year's second. You need an elite coach in a division with Shanahan, McVay, and even Carroll.

I’m not trading our top-5 pick this year or our top-5 pick in 2024.

 

[Totally_Red]

as an aside:

very curious if the league office brokers a reasonable settlement should it come to it.

#4 overall is too high. But as Quebec noted above: you have to agree to a deal months before the draft.

we know the league office stepped in and brokered a deal when Tampa hired Arians

The league didn't broker it. They just asked the teams to come to an agreement.. Tampa offered to swap their 6th for our 7th and Keim took it. Minimal compensation.

Our second is #34 overall as things stand. That and a late round pick should be enough. Miami lost their first round pick so there are only 31 first round ders this year.

 

[Harry]

Except you are negotiating the Payton compensation prior to final draft evaluations and an agreement in place for a trade-down.

Well assuming they wish to trade down I think there is little doubt they find a partner. Not sure what evals are concerning you. The QBs ha been studied enough that I’m certain the personnel guys have their order. Since it seems improbable one of the top 3 won’t be there, a trade option seems quite certain to me. As to the results of a trade I’m just speculating based on value charts and history.

 

[SoonerLou]

Another instance of Sean Payton bringing up the Cardinals again.

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Edit: Doesnt bold well at the very end when talking about the size issues of Tua and Bryce Young.

 

[QuebecCard]

Well assuming they wish to trade down I think there is little doubt they find a partner. Not sure what evals are concerning you. The QBs ha been studied enough that I’m certain the personnel guys have their order. Since it seems improbable one of the top 3 won’t be there, a trade option seems quite certain to me. As to the results of a trade I’m just speculating based on value charts and history.

You're probably right. I can imagine a scenario where the threat of a team in the back half of the top 10 moving to #4 forces Indy to flip their #5 with the Cards, adding a late third or early 4th round pick to seal the deal. This way, the Cards protect their selection of an impact position player.

 

[oaken1]

Bienemy wouldn’t even take the interview here last time. The team is in even worse shape now with such a massive contract/question mark at QB.

Just as likely he skipped the interview because he didnt want to waste his time just checking the Rooney box.

 

[wit3card]

What are the chances that we trade KM for Sean Payton +3rd rounder and start a rebuild with Sean Payton the HC - Team builder, what he somehow wanted to do back in NO but couldn't because of the GM and the missing picks?

 

[oaken1]

Another instance of Sean Payton bringing up the Cardinals again.

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Edit: Doesnt bold well at the very end when talking about the size issues of Tua and Bryce Young.

BIM : Bode

 

[oaken1]

What are the chances that we trade KM for Sean Payton +3rd rounder and start a rebuild with Sean Payton the HC - Team builder, what he somehow wanted to do back in NO but couldn't because of the GM and the missing picks?

Bump it to Payton and a 2nd and im in.
Draft a new kid to offset kylers dead money a little. Shore up the trenches with early picks.
Very doable... and it puts kyler within driving range of home.