Report: Source claims Patriots taped Rams before Super Bowl

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An unnamed source has claimed a New England Patriots employee secretly videotaped the St. Louis Rams' pregame walk-through the day before Super Bowl XXXVI, the Boston Herald reported Saturday.

According to the report, an unnamed source close to the team during the 2001 season said that following the Patriots' walk-through at the Louisiana Superdome, a member of the team's video staff stayed behind and taped the Rams' walk-through
-- a non-contact, no-pads practice at reduced speed in which a team goes through its plays.

The cameraman was not asked to identify himself or produce a press pass and later rode the media shuttle back to the Patriots' hotel, the source told the Herald. It is not known what became of the tape, or whether the cameraman made the tape on his own initiative or at someone else's instruction, according to the report.

Mike Martz, who was St. Louis' head coach during the Super Bowl game in question, spoke to ESPN.com investigative reporter Mike Fish about the allegations.

"I hope that is not true," Martz said. "I have great respect for [Patriots head coach] Bill Belichick. It's hard to believe that is true. It's a serious allegation and I hope it is not true.

"Obviously if there is enough substance to it the league should look into it.''

In responding to the report, Patriots media relations official Stacey James said, "The coaches have no knowledge of it," according to the Herald.

The next day, the Patriots upset the favored Rams 20-17 for their first Super Bowl championship. New England will play the New York Giants in Super Bowl XLII on Sunday in a bid to become the first NFL team to finish a season 19-0.

Former Rams quarterback Kurt Warner, currently with the Arizona Cardinals, told Fish that if the league has heard those claims, he is surprised it has not spoken to former Patriots video department employee Matt Walsh. He said if Walsh or any other source has information, it should be investigated.

Walsh, a former Patriots video assistant, has suggested to ESPN.com that he has information that could have exposed the Patriots prior to the NFL catching New England taping the New York Jets' defensive signals during the 2007 season opener. The Patriots were fined $750,000 and lost a first-round draft pick as punishment.

"If I had a reason to want to go public, or tell a story, I could have done it before it even broke," Walsh told ESPN.com. "I could have said everything rather than having [Jets coach Eric] Mangini be the one to bring it out.

"If they're doing a thorough investigation -- they didn't contact me. So draw your own conclusions. Maybe they felt they didn't need to. Maybe the league feels they got satisfactory answers from everything the Patriots sent them."

Told of the newest allegation, NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told The Associated Press on Saturday:

"We were aware of the rumor months ago and looked into it. There was no evidence of it on the tapes or in the notes produced by the Patriots, and the Patriots told us it was not true."

James reiterated that sentiment.

"The suggestion that the New England Patriots recorded the St. Louis Rams' walk-through on the day before Super Bowl XXXVI is absolutely false," James said. "Any suggestion to the contrary is untrue."

Rams spokesman Rick Smith, reading a statement from team president John Shaw, said, "At this point, we have no comment."

Walsh, 31, now an assistant golf pro at the Ka'anapli Golf Resort in Lahaina, Hawaii, worked for the Patriots from 1996 until the winter of 2002-03, when he was fired. He has hinted to ESPN.com that he has information that could be damaging to both the league and the Patriots but has declined to make it available, saying it could be seen as stolen property.

Walsh said he is fearful of potential legal action against him by either the league or the Patriots if he details what he knows. He refused to provide evidence of potential wrongdoing unless ESPN agreed to pay his legal fees related to his involvement in the story, as well as to an indemnity that would cover any damages found against him in court. ESPN denied his requests.

On Friday, Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., said he had written NFL commissioner Roger Goodell seeking an explanation as to why evidence in the NFL's investigation of the Patriots videotaping was destroyed.

"I am very concerned about the underlying facts on the taping, the reasons for the judgment on the limited penalties and, most of all, on the inexplicable destruction of the tapes," Specter wrote.

Specter, the ranking Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, said the matter could put the league's antitrust exemption at risk. In a phone interview with The New York Times, which first reported Specter's interest in the matter, he said the committee at some point will call Goodell to address the antitrust exemption as well as the destruction of the tapes.

Goodell, in his previously scheduled news conference Friday from Phoenix, said, "I am more than willing to speak with the senator. There are very good explanations why the tapes were destroyed by our staff -- there was no purpose for them."

There were six tapes, according to Goodell -- some from the 2007 preseason and the rest from 2006. He said he had them destroyed because he was confident the Patriots had turned over all of the tapes and notes the NFL had requested in its investigation. He also said they were destroyed in order to prevent leaks to the media -- as some footage from one of the tapes was leaked shortly after the story broke.

"We wanted to take and destroy that information," Goodell said. "They may have collected it within the rules, but we couldn't determine that. So we felt that it should be destroyed."

Belichick had little to add on the subject.

"It's a league matter," he said Friday during his news conference. "I don't know anything about it."
 

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Been following this all day on ESPN. Like the timing. Go Giants.
 

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Why would they videotape the signals in a crappy Jets game, but not do so during these Superbowls. Its ridiculous. If they would resort to that type of cheating in a meaningless game against a former coach no less, you would have to prove to me, that they weren't cheating all along, especially when all the chips were on the line. It seems obvious the victories, probably all of them during this dynasty, were assisted by cheating. The NFL just won't admit because its too sorry of a mess. They want it to just go away.

To convince me, the NFL needs to show me the proof. Give me the reasoning to show why these Pats would cheat in meaningless games but play it straight when everything was on the line. What was the difference? It doesn't make a lick of sense to me, but if there is some rational explanation, don't be bashful, just lay it all out there. Otherwise it would be refreshing to hear them just admit it. They cheated. There's nothing we can do about it now.
 

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Nothing to see here. Just more BS to try and tarnish an amazing Pats team.
 

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Nothing to see here. Just more BS to try and tarnish an amazing Pats team.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a videotape show up, somehow, at some point.
 

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I wouldnt be surprised either. But IMO its still a non issue. When spygate happened there was everyone saying that it was common practice in the NFL prior to this past season when the Pats got caught after Goodell specifically warned all teams to stop.

So back then it wasnt anything that was uncommon or anything that would be considered out of the ordinary. Even on ESPN radio today they were saying it was a Rams walkthrough and that taping it would be the equivolent to taping the pre game layup drill in a basketball game. You just arent going to get a whole lot out of it.
 

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I don't know that I'd automatically assume it was a total non-issue. What if the walkthrough was the first 10-20 offensive plays that the Rams were going to run? If so, that pick 6 early in the game would take on a whole new signifigance wouldn't it? I know that it seemed very much like the Pat's were playing like they knew the plays in the first half.

Also, I haven't read any reports about the Rams taping the Patiriots so I also wouldn't say that "everyone" was doing it. In a game decided by a last second field goal, any advantage by one team or the other seems kind of important.
 

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Been following this all day on ESPN. Like the timing. Go Giants.

The timing of this only serves the Pats. I'm not into conspiracies, but if I were, I'd be thinking that Belichick put this story out there just for that last little bit of motivation for his team.

The last thing the G-men need is for the Pats to go to bed tonight thinking the whole world doubts their accomplishments.

That said, go Giants.
 

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3227592

Ex-Ram Warner wants NFL to expand probe of Patriots

to long to post all of it here is something about other tems as well.





Warner says he has no insight into the Patriots' methods, although he has heard from quarterbacks who gained an advantage because their teams stole signals.


"I've actually talked to people this year that said they played on teams that had the other team's signals," Warner says. "So as the quarterback, you go up to the line of scrimmage, and they're telling you in your helmet what coverage you are going to see, what play to check to. And those are obviously distinct advantages -- when you know what a team is going to do before you run a play and you have an idea as the quarterback where they are going to go, where you should go with the football. Now, bottom line: You still have to execute. You still have to react. You still have to block, throw and catch it. But it is a huge advantage."



They Might not video it but teams are still getting the info somehow.
 

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I don't know that I'd automatically assume it was a total non-issue. What if the walkthrough was the first 10-20 offensive plays that the Rams were going to run? If so, that pick 6 early in the game would take on a whole new signifigance wouldn't it? I know that it seemed very much like the Pat's were playing like they knew the plays in the first half.

Also, I haven't read any reports about the Rams taping the Patiriots so I also wouldn't say that "everyone" was doing it. In a game decided by a last second field goal, any advantage by one team or the other seems kind of important.

It was a commonly used practice in the NFL by many teams prior to the 2007 season. It WAS KNOWN that it was done before then. That much we know for sure.

So due to that alone as far as Im concerned it is a complete non-issue.
 

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Wasn't it reported that teams knew the signals and calls when McGinnis was here? All three of them.
 

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Arlen Specter is still searching for the " Magic Bullet ". As if the Patriots needed anything more for motivation.

BTW, Specter mentioned that he is a major Eagle fan and is upset if Pats used stolen signals against his team in the Super Bowl, 2005 ( I think ). :bang:
 

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I wouldnt be surprised either. But IMO its still a non issue. When spygate happened there was everyone saying that it was common practice in the NFL prior to this past season when the Pats got caught after Goodell specifically warned all teams to stop.

So back then it wasnt anything that was uncommon or anything that would be considered out of the ordinary. Even on ESPN radio today they were saying it was a Rams walkthrough and that taping it would be the equivolent to taping the pre game layup drill in a basketball game. You just arent going to get a whole lot out of it.

My question is, if the taping has no value at all, why do it. The pats were caught last year and warned not to do it anymore, yet the year starts and they are back at it. It doesn't make sense to risk getting caught over something that brings nothing of value. And to say that it is common for other teams to film opponets practices and walk thru's, is lunacy. I always watched in awe as the pats always seem to call the right plays prior to this year, could this have been why? This years pats are different then in years past, in the past they won with their schemes, this year with their offensive brawn. I am not ready to claim their past victories a farce yet, but it would be foolish to dismiss the smoke that is starting to build. Look at what the steroid monster of a problem that has come from an accusation from a out of work ex-player. An ex-quarterback from the pats said that they do a few questionable things over there, is he lying as well? If it turns out they did film that last practice, they most certainly cheated and should be made an example of.
 

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I'm curious as to how everyone on here would react if they had found it was the Cardinals doing the cheating and not the hated Patriots?
 

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Specter needs to go back to Washington and do his job. I'm sure there are at least 1 or 2 things more important to work on.
 

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I'm curious as to how everyone on here would react if they had found it was the Cardinals doing the cheating and not the hated Patriots?
I would be amazed that we couldn't make the playoffs even with cheating.
 

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I would be amazed that we couldn't make the playoffs even with cheating.

Listen it was commonly done in the NFL by many teams prior to 2007 season. Goodell came out and told the entire league that it better cease. The Pats got caught after being told not to do it. They got hammered and now it is a done deal.

Anything that happened prior to that is irrelevant because everyone in the league knew it was being done they were just mum about it.
 

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Listen it was commonly done in the NFL by many teams prior to 2007 season. Goodell came out and told the entire league that it better cease. The Pats got caught after being told not to do it. They got hammered and now it is a done deal.

Anything that happened prior to that is irrelevant because everyone in the league knew it was being done they were just mum about it.

Then why does Goodell want to speak with the video tape manager of the Patriots from that year ASAP? And why did that video tape guy have to sign a form of confidentiality upon his release from the team? Somethings not adding up..
 

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Then why does Goodell want to speak with the video tape manager of the Patriots from that year ASAP? And why did that video tape guy have to sign a form of confidentiality upon his release from the team? Somethings not adding up..

Who the hell knows. BUut when something was absolutley said to have been common practice in the NFL before last year I dont see how there is really much you can do.
 

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Who the hell knows. BUut when something was absolutley said to have been common practice in the NFL before last year I dont see how there is really much you can do.

Goodell doesnt seem to think its a oh well nothing can be done issue..
 

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I don't know that I'd automatically assume it was a total non-issue. What if the walkthrough was the first 10-20 offensive plays that the Rams were going to run? If so, that pick 6 early in the game would take on a whole new signifigance wouldn't it? I know that it seemed very much like the Pat's were playing like they knew the plays in the first half.


Ty Law's INT for TD happened with roughly 8 mins left in the 2nd quarter. Not exactly "early in the game"...probably not even in the Rams 1st 20 offensive plays. But whatever.
 

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Listen it was commonly done in the NFL by many teams prior to 2007 season. Goodell came out and told the entire league that it better cease. The Pats got caught after being told not to do it. They got hammered and now it is a done deal.

Anything that happened prior to that is irrelevant because everyone in the league knew it was being done they were just mum about it.

Shane I hear you and others say this over and over again and simply I utterly disagree on both points.

First I do not think it is widespread, definatly not to the extent the Pats were doing no way, no how. Cannot see coaches like Tony Dungy doing it . IMO you are flat wrong here.

Secondly and far more importantly no way did they 'get hammered'. A player found cheating would be suspended, please explain why BB is coaching this year and not suspended ? Again IMO they got a slap on the wrist. Loss of 1st rounder big deal it would have been 31 or 32 and this was carefully setup knowing they had the 49's 1st round pick. BB's fine was trivial and I'm sure his new contract was structured such that it was absorbed.

The reason is obvious ... money, the NFL makes tons of it off the Pats these days.

Bottom line is that you and others can say this over and over but just as many of us utterly disagree with you.
 
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