Respect for this organization.

[ARZCardinals]

Foolish

the Cards had NO choice but to move up and get Rosen....NO ONE including you saw the debacle that was last year coming.

It was the right move last year

 

[cardsfanmd]

I’m not understanding why people insist on being so obtuse. Is Phillip Rivers a failure or a bum? The Chargers would trade him for Brady in a heartbeat and they would’ve done it after his rookie year too. Does that mean they made a terrible choice in drafting him or conceded that he was garbage? No. In the NFL, the better your quarterback is, the better your chances are. If you have an A quarterback and an A++ one comes along, you roll with it. Plain and simple. If Murray and Rosen were both coming out this year and Kingsbury was just hired, who would we take? That same person is who will be our QB to start the season.

 

[AZCB34]

Foolish

the Cards had NO choice but to move up and get Rosen....NO ONE including you saw the debacle that was last year coming.

It was the right move last year

Now they need to make the right move THIS year...whatever that may be.

 

[Finito]

Say I’m the Jags and I draft Blaine Gabbert at 10 and I suck and get the #1 pick the next year and Andrew Luck is staring me dead in the face.

Do I not take Luck even though I don’t really know what Gabbert is? Bottom line if you think you can get a better QB you do it.

If they think Kyler Murray is a better prospect than Rosen then take him.

 

[juza76]

A Clown organization? Maybe. But maybe not, if Murray's NFL work approaches his Oklahoma work. The draft is uncertain, but what is not uncertain is that we need better QB play in 2019. It wasn't all Rosen's fault, but when it comes to the KK offense, TM seems better suited. Assuming he's the pick we'll have a pretty good idea this summer. I loved watching TM at Oklahoma.

TM who is?

 

[dscher]

The Browns, Jets, Bengals, and Lions have all made us look pretty good over the past 25 years. We had the Jake Plummer run. We had the Warner years. We had the Arians revival. All made us less of a joke. But the Browns have a really talented roster (though I am still a little skeptical), the Jets have Darnold, the Bengals have been 8-8 forever, and the Lions have Stafford.

If we hire a head coach who had a losing record in college, then take Murray thus getting rid of Josh Rosen a 1st round pick from the previous year, and Murray doesn't set the NFL on fire, it is going be very bad.

It will the Aints, Bungles, and Yucs territory.

I think the strange thing is.. no one in the football community (media/league-wide) would blame the Cards for taking a chance on this kid... Even if it didn't work out a few years down the road... Only some of the diehards like us think like this.. Lol. Jmho

 

[dscher]

I’m not understanding why people insist on being so obtuse. Is Phillip Rivers a failure or a bum? The Chargers would trade him for Brady in a heartbeat and they would’ve done it after his rookie year too. Does that mean they made a terrible choice in drafting him or conceded that he was garbage? No. In the NFL, the better your quarterback is, the better your chances are. If you have an A quarterback and an A++ one comes along, you roll with it. Plain and simple. If Murray and Rosen were both coming out this year and Kingsbury was just hired, who would we take? That same person is who will be our QB to start the season.

Obtuse?! Obtuse?! One month in the hole sir

 

[dscher]

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That was bad. But I agree with PA. This was horrendous last season.

 

[dscher]

I’m not understanding why people insist on being so obtuse. Is Phillip Rivers a failure or a bum? The Chargers would trade him for Brady in a heartbeat and they would’ve done it after his rookie year too. Does that mean they made a terrible choice in drafting him or conceded that he was garbage? No. In the NFL, the better your quarterback is, the better your chances are. If you have an A quarterback and an A++ one comes along, you roll with it. Plain and simple. If Murray and Rosen were both coming out this year and Kingsbury was just hired, who would we take? That same person is who will be our QB to start the season.

A. Greed. That's how I think the front office will look at it as well.

 

[HeHasRosen]

Say I’m the Jags and I draft Blaine Gabbert at 10 and I suck and get the #1 pick the next year and Andrew Luck is staring me dead in the face.

Do I not take Luck even though I don’t really know what Gabbert is? Bottom line if you think you can get a better QB you do it.

If they think Kyler Murray is a better prospect than Rosen then take him.

Sure. But there is no andrew luck in this draft.

Its more like you have blain gabbert and marcus mariota is on the board. He may be an upgrade but you also have to pass up on Aaron Donald in the process. Build the trenches.

This team couldn't stop the run at all. Get the big boy to clog up the middle and get after the QB

 

[JeffGollin]

Agree
With conservative decisions we did pretty well in the past

Devils Advocate Dept. -

One could argue that the hiring of Wilks and his supporting cast was an appropriate conservative move.

How'd that go?

 

[DVontel]

I agree the Rosen ceiling is not close to what Murray could be, but if you look at the NFL, many of those guys were not thought to have a huge ceiling.

RGIII had a higher ceiling than Luck.
Alex Smith had a higher ceiling than Rodgers.
Mitch Trubisky had a higher ceiling than Deshaun Watson.
Ryan Leaf over Peyton Manning.

Jamarcus Russell had a huge ceiling.

So did Cam Newton.

So did Blake Bortles and Josh Allen.

I get the "ceiling appeal" of Kyler Murray. But his floor is low. He is a boom or bust pick with significantly more ways to fail than ways to succeed.

Cam doesn´t belong anywhere near with these guys.

 

[PACardsFan]

I agree the Rosen ceiling is not close to what Murray could be, but if you look at the NFL, many of those guys were not thought to have a huge ceiling.

RGIII had a higher ceiling than Luck.
Alex Smith had a higher ceiling than Rodgers.
Mitch Trubisky had a higher ceiling than Deshaun Watson.
Ryan Leaf over Peyton Manning.

Jamarcus Russell had a huge ceiling.

So did Cam Newton.

So did Blake Bortles and Josh Allen.

I get the "ceiling appeal" of Kyler Murray. But his floor is low. He is a boom or bust pick with significantly more ways to fail than ways to succeed.

Disagree 1000% with every QB ceiling comparison that you make. Whoever thought that RGIII had a higher ceiling than Luck flat out didn't have one iota of sense. Way too early to draw comparisons between Trubisky & Watson. Jamarcus Russell could throw a football 80 yards, but had the brain of a fruitfly. You're sadly mistaken if you think that Murray isn't legit. But, we'll have to wait and see.

 

[PACardsFan]

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If BA coached Rosen last year, maybe we wouldn't be sitting at #1 right now. But we are & upgrading the QB position is necessary when you're in our position.

 

[bojack]

That's kind of the irony is that the whole reason Keim has the first pick is he did so poorly with his past decisions.

I'm not going to indulge the Murray vs Rosen debate because I'm not really high on either of them. What I do know is the Cards in their current situation taking a QB at #1 overall is an epic reach unless you are quite certain they are a lock to be really and for years to come.

Murray initially had like a second round draft grade and got hyped when he grew his hair out to get an extra inch and packed on 20lbs for the combine. Sorry, but the QB who showed the most promise was Haskins, putting up better numbers in a pro style offense in a more competitive conference. I think he has a good chance of being an NFL starter, but far from a lock. I watched that guy school the press on reading coverages and how he loves to pick apart D's in the film room to know he loves the game and has that football IQ you want. He leaves little doubt that he has all of the makings of what you're looking for... But again it don't mean anything until you get to the bigs and see what you got. I wouldn't spend a #1 on him either right now.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Sigh.. only seven more days of this...

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

The Browns, Jets, Bengals, and Lions have all made us look pretty good over the past 25 years. We had the Jake Plummer run. We had the Warner years. We had the Arians revival. All made us less of a joke. But the Browns have a really talented roster (though I am still a little skeptical), the Jets have Darnold, the Bengals have been 8-8 forever, and the Lions have Stafford.

If we hire a head coach who had a losing record in college, then take Murray thus getting rid of Josh Rosen a 1st round pick from the previous year, and Murray doesn't set the NFL on fire, it is going be very bad.

It will the Aints, Bungles, and Yucs territory.

Totally agree, however the Browns will find a way to screw it up with all that talent because they are the Browns. Look who they hired to be their DC, yes, you guessed it, none other than Steve Wilks. We all know how well he can organize a defense.

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

Bailing on Rosen at the same time NKemdiche is given years to become a impact player would show me Sk has lost his freaking mind and needs to kicked out ASAP.I know its a different playing position but the fact is very rarely does someone bail on a RD1 pick after 1 year especially after the circumstances last season.

Nkemdiche was a wasted 1st rd pick, he slipped to us because of jumping out a window during the bowl weekend. He did play a little better last yr before getting hurt but he doesn't play with a high motor & takes plays off. They should've gave up on him after yr 2. Rosen deserves another chance, more so than all the 2nd chances SK has given other players. Last yr was a disaster & not Rosens fault. He had nothing to work with in front of him.

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

Add Reddick, Buchannonn a whole slew of others to the list like that so called cornerback from A and M

Imo Reddick was BA's choice because he played at Temple. I believe Reddick will play much better this season under VJ.

 

[Delmar M Lewis]

Imo Reddick was BA's choice because he played at Temple. I believe Reddick will play much better this season under VJ.

May have been a BA choice but wasnt the point I wasnt trying to make which is the only that the Cards have is loyalty to the players they have drafted at least till their rookie contracts are up

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

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Not me, the time BA started Logan Thomas that was the worst QB play I've ever seen. Last yr was more about the bad off line play than it was Rosen. Everything was bad though.

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

I agree the Rosen ceiling is not close to what Murray could be, but if you look at the NFL, many of those guys were not thought to have a huge ceiling.

RGIII had a higher ceiling than Luck.
Alex Smith had a higher ceiling than Rodgers.
Mitch Trubisky had a higher ceiling than Deshaun Watson.
Ryan Leaf over Peyton Manning.

Jamarcus Russell had a huge ceiling.

So did Cam Newton.

So did Blake Bortles and Josh Allen.

I get the "ceiling appeal" of Kyler Murray. But his floor is low. He is a boom or bust pick with significantly more ways to fail than ways to succeed.

Jamarcus Russell's ceiling was very high but now his belly is low, to the floor that is lol. He got that huge rookie contract before the rookie cap was instituted & he ate himself out of the league.

 

[Chopper0080]

I think the strange thing is.. no one in the football community (media/league-wide) would blame the Cards for taking a chance on this kid... Even if it didn't work out a few years down the road... Only some of the diehards like us think like this.. Lol. Jmho

That isn't true. A lot of people in the community think it would be a train wreck. You are betting on an outlier in a league where most decision makers are more conservative in nature. You draft the guy who the data shows matches those who were previously successful.

 

[dscher]

That isn't true. A lot of people in the community think it would be a train wreck. You are betting on an outlier in a league where most decision makers are more conservative in nature. You draft the guy who the data shows matches those who were previously successful.

It doesn't make it not true.. unless you have a crystal ball that shows this guaranteed reaction. It was my opinion..