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I understand that might not be putting up the sack numbers everyone expects, but when he is off the field the team is much worse. If he was playing in Denver last year his stats would've been better than Malik Jackson, a guy that many posters wanted us to go after in FA. But here in Arizona he is the only guy teams focus on in our front seven. To think that the attention given to him didn't make lives easier for guys like Gunter and Golden would be missing the value he brings. You take him out everyone else suffers also. Sack totals can be misleading.

It's not just about the sack numbers. It's his overall effect on the game. As stated above can you even remember the last time the guy has batted down a pass in a critical situation or any situation for that matter. Used to be a weekly occurrence now it never happens... His salary demands that he be the dominant D lineman even when he started having Freeney lined up next to him he was mostly invisible... He had one Dominant game last year that I can recall one out of 16 not acceptable for his salary/cap number...
 
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Wont work that way. He will have just hired a new agent who promised him the moon so that guy will fight to the death for a big deal or just not restructure.

We'll see. Itll still be a huge contract but not a top 3 DE in the NFL contract. I dont think we will pay that nor do I think his production is worth that. He can go make that for the browns if he wants.

wont really be a pay cut as there will be more guarantees involved...and it is all about the guarantees

For sure but cap numbers will go down and etc. Unless he is delusional and thinks he is JJ watt.
 

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It's not just about the sack numbers. It's his overall effect on the game. As stated above can you even remember the last time the guy has batted down a pass in a critical situation or any situation for that matter. Used to be a weekly occurrence now it never happens... His salary demands that he be the dominant D lineman even when he started having Freeney lined up next to him he was mostly invisible... He had one Dominant game last year that I can recall one out of 16 not acceptable for his salary/cap number...

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Ide say not overstated... Going games at a time being nearly invisible... He is payed as a game changer and game changers shouldn't disappear for long stretches... He does.. How many less pressures? TFL? FFs? Batted passes? (He used to do this what seemed weekly) I can't even remember his last batted pass at the LOS?? When was his last blocked FG? Etc... The "he was double teamed" excuse gets really old... He's paid to beat double teams and be that consistent disruptive force... It's no coincidence that Arians was on him in the media and openly stating he expected more... I'm sure he didn't pick him out of thin air as his week to be picked on...

He's definitely regressed and someone payed like he is shouldn't require studs next to him to be effective... He is supposed to be the stud that is made to make everyone look better...

Ridiculous argument. For the past several years the dude played the Nose, RE, LE, most often in a 3 man defensive alignment with total crap at the LB position. This means more than just a double team, it means the O-line shifts left or right, depending on where he's at, creating leverage, and it also means the blocking back in the backfield, rather than picking up a LB (because ours suck) can pick him up quite easily, even if they just chip while moving out into the flats. Campbell is easy to defend, because he was our best player in the front 7 of our defensive backfield and he's been our best defensive player for years within that front 7. There's no lineman or linebacker that comes close to his talent on this team. You pair him with scrubs and he's going to struggle, because all offenses have to do is take him away, and the rest of them suck. He did better with Dock, but even Dock was declining in ability. He's never had anyone good behind him other than DWash and Dansby, and nobody on the line as good as Dockett. Last year he had none of that. People say oh, he should overcome that. Even John Randle played in a 4-3, there were other dudes taking up lanes and eating up blocks for him to penetrate. In a 3-4 that never happens. A 3-4 is predicated on LB's being awesome, and ours suck. So I think it's disingenuous to blame Campbell. Campbell is awesome for what he does, for what he's told to do. He'd be a monster in a 4-3, but in our system with below average linebackers he's only okay.
 

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It's not just about the sack numbers. It's his overall effect on the game. As stated above can you even remember the last time the guy has batted down a pass in a critical situation or any situation for that matter. Used to be a weekly occurrence now it never happens... His salary demands that he be the dominant D lineman even when he started having Freeney lined up next to him he was mostly invisible... He had one Dominant game last year that I can recall one out of 16 not acceptable for his salary/cap number...


He was 16th highest paid DL in the NFL last year based on Salary according to overthecap.com.
 
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Ridiculous argument. For the past several years the dude played the Nose, RE, LE, most often in a 3 man defensive alignment with total crap at the LB position. This means more than just a double team, it means the O-line shifts left or right, depending on where he's at, creating leverage, and it also means the blocking back in the backfield, rather than picking up a LB (because ours suck) can pick him up quite easily, even if they just chip while moving out into the flats. Campbell is easy to defend, because he was our best player in the front 7 of our defensive backfield and he's been our best defensive player for years within that front 7. There's no lineman or linebacker that comes close to his talent on this team. You pair him with scrubs and he's going to struggle, because all offenses have to do is take him away, and the rest of them suck. He did better with Dock, but even Dock was declining in ability. He's never had anyone good behind him other than DWash and Dansby, and nobody on the line as good as Dockett. Last year he had none of that. People say oh, he should overcome that. Even John Randle played in a 4-3, there were other dudes taking up lanes and eating up blocks for him to penetrate. In a 3-4 that never happens. A 3-4 is predicated on LB's being awesome, and ours suck. So I think it's disingenuous to blame Campbell. Campbell is awesome for what he does, for what he's told to do. He'd be a monster in a 4-3, but in our system with below average linebackers he's only okay.

This is my feelings on Campbell as well. There was definitely a noticeable drop when DD left.
 

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He was 16th highest paid DL in the NFL last year based on Salary according to overthecap.com.

If one judges a player in relation to their salary for the position, then Campbell is paid appropriately at sixteen... then we need to leave the big guy alone with attacks on his game play considering he has been the only freaking above average player on the DL, some of the critical observations on this forum of late are just people p!ssing in the wind for attention
 

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I also feel when you lose your NT anchor in a 3-4 as we did last offseason CC became the only Dlineman that commanded a double team. At least with Dan Williams you had the perfect Oline eater that put enough pressure on the inside that other teams had to help the Centers which freed up CC for less double teams. I think there are a number of reasons that his stats tailed off a little last year.
 

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If one judges a player in relation to their salary for the position, then Campbell is paid appropriately at sixteen... then we need to leave the big guy alone with attacks on his game play considering he has been the only freaking above average player on the DL, some of the critical observations on this forum of late are just people p!ssing in the wind for attention

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Do it now and sign a CB.

agreed. I really don't like the idea of going into the draft having to go CB high because we're depending on Bethel (who was really below average last year) and HB (who's coming off a second ACL tear). There's strength in numbers, especially at a position where we don't have them.
 

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If one judges a player in relation to their salary for the position, then Campbell is paid appropriately at sixteen... then we need to leave the big guy alone with attacks on his game play considering he has been the only freaking above average player on the DL, some of the critical observations on this forum of late are just people p!ssing in the wind for attention

Reminds me of some of the complaints about Fitzgerald for a few years. A lot of the same people are involved. Hopefully Campbell proves them as wrong as Larry did last year by having a great 2016 season.
 
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agreed. I really don't like the idea of going into the draft having to go CB high because we're depending on Bethel (who was really below average last year) and HB (who's coming off a second ACL tear). There's strength in numbers, especially at a position where we don't have them.

IMO bethel will improve greatly with another offseason and a new pass rush that might actually, rush the pass.
 

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