Ric Bucher's Take

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I was listening to ESPN radio last night on the way home from work, I found this very interesting, although completely unfounded.

Ric Bucher said by phone interview he does not believe Kobe is the player they will try and obtain. He firmly believes the suns will target Steve Nash in the off season. He claims that with their current salary structure, they could offer Nash a deal that would pry him away from Dallas. He cites that he used to play for Phx, and he would compliment Amare and Shawn perfectly.



My perception of Ric Bucher dropped like 10 spots on the media scale yesterday.

BTW, if he winds up being right, I am going to be pissed.
 

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I will be seriously pissed off if that happens.

Nash is 30 years old and he is not a durable player. In fact Nelson has always limited his minutes to keep him from burning out early in the season.

Good thing the Mavs will pay more than the Suns can or should to keep Nash.
Well maybe not if Colangelo is too dumb to pay more than he is worth.

Nash and Nowitzki are really really close friends so I doubt Nash even opts out.
 
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He will opt out. I think he only makes around 5 million a year, so he could get, and deserves a lot more than he recieves right now.

He will resign for a much larger contract I believe though.
 

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What an idiot. Steve Nash isn't going anywhere. On top of that he is the antithesis of the kind of play of the Phoenix Suns want. He is going to be overpaid, he is older (by basketball standards) ,, and he is injury prone.

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On top of that he is the antithesis of the kind of play of the Phoenix Suns want. He is going to be overpaid, he is older (by basketball standards) ,, and he is injury prone.

Based on past history, I'd say that's exactly the kind of player the Suns want with their free-agent signings.

And don't forget, Nash is white.

Sorry to be so cynical, but I've really had it with this franchise right now. They are going to have to accomplish a lot to get my enthusiasm back.
 

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Originally posted by elindholm
On top of that he is the antithesis of the kind of play of the Phoenix Suns want. He is going to be overpaid, he is older (by basketball standards) ,, and he is injury prone.

Based on past history, I'd say that's exactly the kind of player the Suns want with their free-agent signings.

And don't forget, Nash is white.

Sorry to be so cynical, but I've really had it with this franchise right now. They are going to have to accomplish a lot to get my enthusiasm back.

I HATE when people bring up the "white" thing. It is utterly ridiculous and quite insulting.

It's obvious that you've had it.
 

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Originally posted by Chaplin
I HATE when people bring up the "white" thing. It is utterly ridiculous and quite insulting.

It's obvious that you've had it.

I'm not sure it's insulting, at least to me as a fan, but I do agree it is ridiculous. And it's not exactly where the team is headed. They are going young. I don't think they've made a deal in the last few years that hasn't made them younger. Steve Nash is 30 years old, injury prone, and it's probably going to take a maximum contract to get him out of Dallas.

I love the Phoenix Suns. I'll watch this team regardless of who plays for them unless it is Karl Malone. If they somehow signed Karl Malone I would probably explode. However if they sign Steve Nash this summer to a big contract I'll be the first one on this message or to say they made a huge mistake. I know I'm not going to have to do that though. Steve Nash is not going to be signed by the Phoenix Suns this summer. I'm sure of it.

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I feel the same way about Malone...and Kobe. :mad:

Ruben Patterson might be the third, but he might not be important enough to change teams over.


Anyway, I don't think there's any real chance the Suns will sign Nash--with Vujanic and Barbosa, PG isn't a position of need for them. It is possible that one consequence of the Suns' new cap situation will be that players like Nash and Ginobili get more money from their old teams than they would have otherwise, though.


And, I also think that the "white" remark was tasteless and without merit--if anything, the Suns have had more success (compared with cost) with white players than non-white players.

With the D-Backs, you might be able to put up an argument, but the Suns? :rolleyes:
 

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Originally posted by F-Dog


And, I also think that the "white" remark was tasteless and without merit--if anything, the Suns have had more success (compared with cost) with white players than non-white players.


It's also coming from someone who thinks that Colangelo's misquote on Lampe's draft position is evidence of a consipiricy.
 

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And, I also think that the "white" remark was tasteless and without merit--if anything, the Suns have had more success (compared with cost) with white players than non-white players.

It's also coming from someone who thinks that Colangelo's misquote on Lampe's draft position is evidence of a consipiricy.

Okay, that's enough.

You don't have to agree with me on the "white" thing, but the evidence is clear that the Suns have tended to prefer white players over time. This has been discussed many times on this board, and the only argument is whether it is by design or a coincidence.

One or the other Colangelo indicated as much after drafting Jacobsen, saying something like, "We think Casey is going to be the kind of player our fans like to see." Of course there are "innocent" interpretations to that remark as well, but I'm sure the color issue entered the Colangelos' minds. Phoenix is politically one of the most conservative cities in the nation, and it would be business folly to ignore the preferences of one's customer base.

And I don't think Colangelo's Lampe misstatement is evidence of a "conspiracy." I just think it indicates a general recklessness with respect to communicating honestly with the fans. That's good business too, so I can't really fault him for it, but I am starting to grow tired of it.
 

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Originally posted by elindholm
You don't have to agree with me on the "white" thing, but the evidence is clear that the Suns have tended to prefer white players over time.

Prove it!

Let's see . . . how about this . . . of all players who have logged more than 40 games in a Suns uniform, what percentage have been white?

Let's have another team to compare . . . oh, how about the Lakers?

Unless you have anything to back you up - which you've yet to show - you're simply talking out of your ass.
 

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Unless you have anything to back you up - which you've yet to show - you're simply talking out of your ass.

I'm not going to rehash this discussion now, but it has been gone over many times here. For me to dig up the evidence all over again would take more time than I care to spend. I'm not asking you to agree with me, but my opinion is legitimate.
 

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Originally posted by Chaplin
I HATE when people bring up the "white" thing. It is utterly ridiculous and quite insulting.

It's obvious that you've had it.

How else can you explain Casey Jacobson over about 5 other guys that are now actually contributing to their teams?

Just because the Suns keep telling us he's contributing doesn't mean he actually is.
 

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Originally posted by devilalum
How else can you explain Casey Jacobson over about 5 other guys that are now actually contributing to their teams?

Just because the Suns keep telling us he's contributing doesn't mean he actually is.

:stupid:

i can name you more than five players who were drafted before casey who aren't contributing as much. casey was drafted becouse we felt his style of play filled a role on this team, whether or not he has lived up to the expectations doesn't change that.
 

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Originally posted by devilalum
How else can you explain Casey Jacobson over about 5 other guys that are now actually contributing to their teams?

Just because the Suns keep telling us he's contributing doesn't mean he actually is.

i was looking over the 2002 draft and i'm going to call your bluff. name the 5 other guys that are now actually contributing to their teams more than casey is contributing to the suns.
 

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Prince
Gadzuric
Boozer
Murray

and maybe Baxter, Frank Williams and Salmons

But you still have Milos Vujanic, Nenad Krstic, Mario Kasun, Carlos Navarro who could easily be better maybe even Songaila he gets minutes in SacTown.
 

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Originally posted by slinslin
Prince
Gadzuric
Boozer
Murray

and maybe Baxter, Frank Williams and Salmons

But you still have Milos Vujanic, Nenad Krstic, Mario Kasun, Carlos Navarro who could easily be better maybe even Songaila he gets minutes in SacTown.

i'll give you prince, boozer and murray. gadzuric is debatable, but casey has contributed more than Baxter, Frank Williams or Salmons
 

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Based on past history, I'd say that's exactly the kind of player the Suns want with their free-agent signings.

And don't forget, Nash is white.


I don't see anything particularly controversial about this statement. Race is probably one of many factors taken into account by the Colangelos, either consciously or unconsciously, when putting together and marketing their team.

On the other hand, Nash is an unabashed liberal and was outspoken about the war, so Eric's comment that he'd appeal to conservative Phoenix doesn't totally convince....
 

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i got a better question. if you give the suns 20-20 hindsight about the draft you have to give the same consideration to all the other teams. so, casey was drafted #22, so give me 21 players that have contributed more than casey from the 2002 draft.
 

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On the other hand, Nash is an unabashed liberal and was outspoken about the war, so Eric's comment that he'd appeal to conservative Phoenix doesn't totally convince....

Yeah, but if I didn't know that, how do you expect the typical fan to? :p
 

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Originally posted by haverford


On the other hand, Nash is an unabashed liberal and was outspoken about the war, so Eric's comment that he'd appeal to conservative Phoenix doesn't totally convince....

I was thinking the same thing ... good point.

Beyond the race thing, I'm surprised how much everyone is against Nash. I certainly wouldn't want to give him a max deal, and he doesn't fit in the youth movement. He also doesn't hold a candle to Kobe. However, I think he's a great player. Maybe I'm alone. I just place such a high value on great shooters because they're so rare today. He's as good as they get from the outside, he always plays hard, and passes well.

It's funny about his age too. He is 30, but been in the league as long as Marbury and Kobe, who are considered young. Even though they entered the league as teens, their pro experience is the same as Nash. You know what they say: It's not the years ... its the mileage.
 

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Originally posted by elindholm
On the other hand, Nash is an unabashed liberal and was outspoken about the war, so Eric's comment that he'd appeal to conservative Phoenix doesn't totally convince....

Yeah, but if I didn't know that, how do you expect the typical fan to? :p

Ah the burdens of being atypical fans.....:cool:
 
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Originally posted by elindholm

Yeah, but if I didn't know that, how do you expect the typical fan to? :p

To tell you the truth, I don't think typical fans even think about race or politcal beliefs when players are signed :D
 

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Originally posted by thegrahamcrackr
To tell you the truth, I don't think typical fans even think about race or politcal beliefs when players are signed :D

Only certain Suns fans, it appears.
 
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