Rich Gannon anyone??

[Redsz]

One great play? There is one obvious example that I'm sure you can think of Stout.

 

[Stout]

One great play? There is one obvious example that I'm sure you can think of Stout.

Thank you, Redsz, for providing the quote I hoped and knew I'd get. ONE good play. Unfortunately, one lucky play in a game that didn't matter, albeit on a good throw, clouds many opinions and makes people seem to think he may have a future. Because of one play.

Quick, tell me another 'great' play he's made? *crickets chirping*

Now, he may end up a serviceable QB---I don't think he will, but he may---but great? I reaaaaaally doubt it.

 

[BigRedMO]

I think that last second touchdown against MN created a phenomenon similar to Plummer. Plummer was a star at Ariz State and came to the Cards with Bill Walsh comparing him to Montana. He was in magazines, a tv commercial for DirecTV. He brought national media attention to a team that had not seen any in a long time. It created these huge unrealistic xpectations for Plummer. I think he is a good QB and will be around as long as he wants but probably will never reach Montana status.

Mccown because of that pass gets national media attention and fans remember that last play for an entire off season. That was the most excitement generated by a Cardinal in a long time. So it has created an unrealistic appraisal of McCown. I think it is unfortunate he completed that pass and cost the Cards the number one pick and created an unrealistic euforia around him. In my many years of rooting for the Cards as bad as they have been they have never had the number one pick. It does seem like at times they are cursed. They lose when they should win and win when it would be best to lose.

 

[Redsz]

Thank you, Redsz, for providing the quote I hoped and knew I'd get. ONE good play. Unfortunately, one lucky play in a game that didn't matter, albeit on a good throw, clouds many opinions and makes people seem to think he may have a future. Because of one play.

Quick, tell me another 'great' play he's made? *crickets chirping*

Now, he may end up a serviceable QB---I don't think he will, but he may---but great? I reaaaaaally doubt it.

What about when he ran for the first down in Miami to sustain the game winning drive? Then threw the TD pass to Fitzgerald to win the game?

Or what about his play during the Rams game where he threw two touchdown passes and ran for two more?

Or the plays he made during the come-back vs SF this year? Such as the two point conversion run?

There has been more than 'one' great play Stout. And I think you know that.

 

[Stout]

What about when he ran for the first down in Miami to sustain the game winning drive? Then threw the TD pass to Fitzgerald to win the game?

Or what about his play during the Rams game where he threw two touchdown passes and ran for two more?

Or the plays he made during the come-back vs SF this year? Such as the two point conversion run?

There has been more than 'one' great play Stout. And I think you know that.

Lol Okay. The Miami game? He had a couple of good plays and helped win the game. No denying that. After he tried to first lose the game, ala Plummer. Great? Cha, right.

His plays against the Rams? Pretty damn good. Great? C'mon.

His comeback against San Fran? Don't you mean his FAILED comeback ATTEMPT? Mmm hmm.

Sure, he's made more than one 'great' play, but they can likely be numbered on one hand. Not nearly enough, at this point, to prognosticate that he'll be a GREAT player. Not a good player, not a solid player, but a GREAT player, which was the prediction I'm bashing.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Lol at this point, to prognosticate that he'll be a GREAT player. Not a good player, not a solid player, but a GREAT player, which was the prediction I'm bashing.

I don't believe anybody on this thread predicted greatness, I said a very solid QB...greatness is reserved for a select few QB's....

 

[Stout]

I wouldn't call it being an apologist or making excuses, what I see is a young QB with only 18 starts that I believe is going to be a great QB.

No, you would never say great, would you?

Maybe it was a slipup on your part, saying great. If so, sorry for making a big deal, but we have seen NOTHING AT ALL to show us he's going to be a great QB. We can't even agree if he should get another shot as a starting QB.

 

[CaptTurbo]

Or the plays he made during the come-back vs SF this year? Such as the two point conversion run?
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So basically to keep the starting job in the NFL as a QB all you do is play like crap the first half then score a few TD's near the end against the 5th string so it looks like you have the ability to comeback.

Good game plan for job security. bad for winning seasons.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

I wouldn't call it being an apologist or making excuses, what I see is a young QB with only 18 starts that I believe is going to be a great QB. .

DOH!

 

[Stout]

DOH!

S'all good, homey. I've done plenty worse in my day. Have a drink on me


Maybe the alcohol will purge you of delusional ideas about McCown

 

[DevonCardsFan]

.

I myself have seen him make many poor, awful, and sometimes idiotic mistakes that players in their THIRD SEASON, NOT their ROOKIE season, should not be making. For every decent or good play (er, how many great plays have we seen?) we've seen probably 30 or so bad ones. I'm just baffled as to what people see that lead them to believe he'll be a solid starting QB, let alone a 'great' QB.

I saw the same games as you and have the same assesment of McCown as you as well. I'm very baffled as well too what people see in McCown. I'm not saying he completely sucks, he would be a very good back up to have, but I don't see what others are seeing in him. Nothing sticks out that makes me think he is the future.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

S'all good, homey. I've done plenty worse in my day. Have a drink on me


Maybe the alcohol will purge you of delusional ideas about McCown

I'll make a deal with you, only if McCown remains the starter:

He must lead the team to the playoffs with a solid season and you will change your name to McCown4Life.

If he stinks it up next year, I will change my name to Stout is Always right.

Each screen name change will be intact for a period not exceeding one off-season. After which we may resume to original screen names.

Deal?

 

[Redsz]

Lol Okay. The Miami game? He had a couple of good plays and helped win the game. No denying that. After he tried to first lose the game, ala Plummer. Great? Cha, right.

His plays against the Rams? Pretty damn good. Great? C'mon.

His comeback against San Fran? Don't you mean his FAILED comeback ATTEMPT? Mmm hmm.

Sure, he's made more than one 'great' play, but they can likely be numbered on one hand. Not nearly enough, at this point, to prognosticate that he'll be a GREAT player. Not a good player, not a solid player, but a GREAT player, which was the prediction I'm bashing.

Dude, I posted a few examples off the top of my head of 'plays' McCown had made. That is what we are disputing. So, clearly, McCown has made more than one great play.

I wasn't talking about overall performance. Because as I have said before... That overall, McCown's performance wasn't good enough. But I'm not going to dump the guy based on 16 games.

 

[Stout]

I'll make a deal with you, only if McCown remains the starter:

He must lead the team to the playoffs with a solid season and you will change your name to McCown4Life.

If he stinks it up next year, I will change my name to Stout is Always right.

Each screen name change will be intact for a period not exceeding one off-season. After which we may resume to original screen names.

Deal?

No way, ese! I'd be rooting to change my screen name to THAT? Lol Because, contrary as it may sound, if McCown starts and becomes that QB to lead us to the playoffs, I'll be tickled to death.

Now, a month? I can deal with a month. An offseason? No thanks

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

No way, ese! I'd be rooting to change my screen name to THAT? Lol Because, contrary as it may sound, if McCown starts and becomes that QB to lead us to the playoffs, I'll be tickled to death.

Now, a month? I can deal with a month. An offseason? No thanks

Okay a month it is...

 

[Stout]

Ah, wait...I see you say 'only if McCown remains the starter'. Uh-uh, man. Right here, right now, you have to be saying it. No 'buy out' clause, like, 'oh, he didn't become the starter, so I don't have to do it'

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Ah, wait...I see you say 'only if McCown remains the starter'. Uh-uh, man. Right here, right now, you have to be saying it. No 'buy out' clause, like, 'oh, he didn't become the starter, so I don't have to do it'

No buyout clause, I just want it to be decided on the field, now if Green decides to bring in a Bledsoe and announce him starting QB, chances are Josh might be gone...

Now, if he brings in another QB and announces open competetion in camp and he loses out I am all for it...

 

[BigRedMO]

I would like to have some Mccown free posts. The lines are drawn regarding his future. Everybody knows where everybody else stands. There is no new light to shed on the issue. All the arguements are subjective so there is noway for anybody to win until the decision is made. We now have to wait until the decision is made.

Why do McCown apologists feel the need to defend him in a post regarding FA QBs? I have news for you. There will be at least one new face in camp this summer at the QB position. So defending McCown in a post about FA QBs is pointless. There will be a FA and possibly a draftee. There is no way Green is going in to camp with Mccown and Navarre as his only options. For Green to do that you would have to think he is insane, a masochist, or does not want a job being a head coach in the NFL. Get used to it. There will be new face(s) at QB this summer.

 

[Stout]

No buyout clause, I just want it to be decided on the field, now if Green decides to bring in a Bledsoe and announce him starting QB, chances are Josh might be gone...

Now, if he brings in another QB and announces open competetion in camp and he loses out I am all for it...

Okay, at least as long as there is a semblence of open competition in camp. Fair enough.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Okay, at least as long as there is a semblence of open competition in camp. Fair enough.

..

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Why do McCown apologists feel the need to defend him in a post regarding FA QBs? I have news for you. There will be at least one new face in camp this summer at the QB position. So defending McCown in a post about FA QBs is pointless. There will be a FA and possibly a draftee. There is no way Green is going in to camp with Mccown and Navarre as his only options. For Green to do that you would have to think he is insane, a masochist, or does not want a job being a head coach in the NFL. Get used to it. There will be new face(s) at QB this summer.

Once again Big Red...Because, if Gannon is brought in it has a direct affect on McCown's possible future as starting QB, so anytime you bring up the possibility of bringing in competetion at any positon it is natural to talk about the incumbent...

 

[BigRedMO]

Defending Mccown will make no difference on the discussion of who the FA QB is that will be brought in. There will be a FA QB. So now the discussion is who will that be.

Are you saying that no FA is going to be brought in? If so that is as likely to occur as me winning the lottery.

 

[WisconsinCard]

I would like to have some Mccown free posts. The lines are drawn regarding his future. Everybody knows where everybody else stands. There is no new light to shed on the issue. All the arguements are subjective so there is noway for anybody to win until the decision is made. We now have to wait until the decision is made.

Why do McCown apologists feel the need to defend him in a post regarding FA QBs? I have news for you. There will be at least one new face in camp this summer at the QB position. So defending McCown in a post about FA QBs is pointless. There will be a FA and possibly a draftee. There is no way Green is going in to camp with Mccown and Navarre as his only options. For Green to do that you would have to think he is insane, a masochist, or does not want a job being a head coach in the NFL. Get used to it. There will be new face(s) at QB this summer.

Then why do all The Josh bashers chime in when we speak of a FA QB? Its a 2 way street. Also when you call anyone who say anything good about Josh an "apologist" you don't think that will start a debate?? I thought Josh had a fair year for a first year starter, that said I still want a FA QB to come in for a competition. You can't just have it your way. We know how you feel so don't call out people and expect them to lay there and take it.

 

[BigRedMO]

If I have commented on Mccown in a post regarding FA QBs without Mccown being brought up by his defenders first then I have been wrong. I dont think I have ever done that.

Mccown certainly has no where to go but up. 29th rated QB out of 30 who qualified.

 

[WisconsinCard]

If I have commented on Mccown in a post regarding FA QBs without Mccown being brought up by his defenders first then I have been wrong. I dont think I have ever done that.


I wasn't speaking directly to you. Just bringing up the fact that it has happened.




Mccown certainly has no where to go but up. 29th rated QB out of 30 who qualified.

I totally agree