RJ back in two weeks?

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If all goes will with him in the minors, that appears to be the target date.
The exact date of Randy Johnson's return has yet to be determined, manager Bob Melvin said, but it would figure to be either April 18 or April 19.

Johnson, who threw a bullpen session in Phoenix that farm director A.J. Hinch caught, probably will throw around 75-80 pitches in his start Sunday for Class A Visalia, Melvin said. Barring any setbacks, his pitch count will climb into the 90s for an April 13 start in Tucson, the Sidewinders' home opener.

The club may announce a return date for Johnson after his start Sunday.

"We've put a lot of thought into it," Melvin said. "We're not sure yet."
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/diamondbacks/articles/0407dbnotes0407.html
 

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Good to hear. I hope he doesn't rush back and end up hurting himself worse, but if he's ready to go, I'm looking forward to seeing him back soon.
 

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Who's spot is he taking though? I'd really hate to see Owings sent down...
 

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Who's spot is he taking though? I'd really hate to see Owings sent down...

It's either Owings or Gonzalez, who both have a two week audition. My money is on Owings getting sent down, Gonzalez is out of options and the D'backs would control Owings for an extra year.
 

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Here's RJ's line from his rehab start tonight for Visalia:
6 IP, 4 H, 2 R, 2 ER. 0 BB, 4K
 

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Randy will start on Friday for the Sidewinders. I wonder if he will pitch for the Diamondbacks after that.
 

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My money is on Owings getting sent down, Gonzalez is out of options and the D'backs would control Owings for an extra year.
It's sad that performance doesn't determine who gets sent to the Minors.

Sad for Mikah Owings. Sad for the D'backs.
 

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Isn't Nippert with the big club? I say slide Owings into the rotation and send Gonzalez into long relief. Nippert goes down

BTW, I would be Gonzalez would clear waivers
 

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I believe when RJ is reactivated that the Dbacks will clear a spot by putting Doug Davis on the DL. I just have a healing he has some undisclosed injury since he's pitching way beneath his potential.

This would buy some time to determine if either Edgar Gonzalez or Owings is the best out of the 2 to remain in the rotation long-term. IIRC, Gonzalez is out-of-options, so the DBacks must be careful with him in that regard.
 

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IMO whoever gets removed from the rotation (Gonzalez or Owings) will be put in the pen. I don't think either will be sent down to the minors this year unless they have a major collapse
 

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I believe when RJ is reactivated that the Dbacks will clear a spot by putting Doug Davis on the DL. I just have a healing he has some undisclosed injury since he's pitching way beneath his potential.

This would buy some time to determine if either Edgar Gonzalez or Owings is the best out of the 2 to remain in the rotation long-term. IIRC, Gonzalez is out-of-options, so the DBacks must be careful with him in that regard.

IMO, Gonzalez hasn't pitched as well and should move to the pen, unless Owings stumbles REEEALLY badly and they should swap out.
 

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IMO whoever gets removed from the rotation (Gonzalez or Owings) will be put in the pen. I don't think either will be sent down to the minors this year unless they have a major collapse

That might be an excessive amount of pitchers on the staff.... Obviously, there would be the starting 5..... Then Nippert is essentially a long-reliever since he's accustomed to pitching several innings at a time along with Juan Cruz.... Lyons, Medders, Slaten (serving as the LH specialist) as the 7/8 inning set-up men..of course holding fort until Valverde and Pena (he should be assigned the closing role once a weak to take strain off Valverde).

That would leave the either Owings or Edgar Gonzalez pitching mop-up duty and that might be seldom... In order for them to be effective, they must be starting at a regular basis, so due to this #s game Owings might be the odd man out because they'd rather not lose Gonzalez.... Juan Cruz is expendable, but to me he has the best pure stuff on the staff, but we all know it's mental regarding why he's been so erratic.

13 position players sounds right at this time as well... Just soon it will be Quentin on the roster rather than Barden. I don't see DaVannon rushed-up any time soon. He's still recovering and then will go through some extensive rehab, but we know how injury-prone he's been throughout his career, so expect him back on the DL some time before the season is over with.

I still think there might be something wrong with Davis and I envision him being placed on the DL relatively shortly. I know he's had control problems in the past, but not to this extent.. That's why I'm deducing some form of injury to justify his struggles...
 
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Davis has surrendered 12 walks, compared to Webb's 10 and Hernandez's 11 (both have pitched a couple more innings than Davis though). Not what one would like to ideally see, but I wouldn't single them out as a cause for concern yet. The extent of his struggles have been to this point in the season overstated.
 

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Davis has surrendered 12 walks, compared to Webb's 10 and Hernandez's 11 (both have pitched a couple more innings than Davis though). Not what one would like to ideally see, but I wouldn't single them out as a cause for concern yet. The extent of his struggles have been to this point in the season overstated.

It's not just how many walks Davis has issued, however, how many pitches per outing.. He's had games of 105, 102, and 112 pitches which is rather excessive. True, Livan has approached those totals, but he's been known for his rubber-type arm throughout his career.... But I'll concede somewhat... I know it's somewhat premature, but I would have expected more out of Davis thus far considering who the Dbacks gave-up to acquire him. But, a lefty averaging those pitch totals per outing isn't encouraging whatsoever and he must overcome that soon or else....
 
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I think that one of the issues with Davis is that he is just so amazingly slow. When a guy is taking so long between pitches and every game he starts approaches four hours in length sometimes it appears that he is pitching more poorly than he actually is. Davis hasn't been shelled in any of his starts and he has had a penchant for having command troubles at times during his career like we are currently seeing so I don't think that this is a case of there being an undisclosed injury, but I could be wrong. I still say the Davis deal will go down as a tremendous steal for the Diamondbacks.
 
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The one thing that I think will save Edgar Gonzalez from getting the dreaded DFA is his command. He has been throwing a lot of strikes and the bullpen can use a guy that isn't going to walk a lot of batters.
 

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I attended yesterday's game and I just was thinking how deliberate Davis seemed between his pitches, so I agree with the assertion about him being very slow. I believe he might even be more deceptive if he does adjust the amount of time that elapses between pitches.

I don't know what other position player would be removed off the roster if they did promote RJ, kept Owings in the rotation and placed Gonzalez in long-relief. Perhaps Hammock? However, he's still solid to have off the bench considering he's the 3rd catcher and can play both corner IF positions and also OF.

I love having these debates about having so much depth.. obviously more refreshing than the past 5-years worth of discussions and this is only the beginning with CarGO and Upton also staking their claim.... What an excellent headache to have....but at least we're not forced w/the final decision....
 
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The one thing that I think will save Edgar Gonzalez from getting the dreaded DFA is his command. He has been throwing a lot of strikes and the bullpen can use a guy that isn't going to walk a lot of batters.
Gonzalez so far is making me look stupid tonight. :bang:
 
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Johnson will start for the Dbacks against the Padres on Tuesday.
 

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And according to the web site -- can't remember if it was D'backs-MLB.com or D'backs-AzCentral.com -- Johnson will be allowed to stay in for 100 pitches.
 

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