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Funnyball: Why the baseball god(s) aren’t too crazy about the Arizona Diamondbacks these days.

By Rod Lakin

As excuses go, none is more convenient than the esoteric type. Responsibility, after all, is hard to hand out in a world governed by the polytheistic forces guiding the fortuitous lift of a baseball against the fortunes of an already “unlucky” team. According to some in Arizona, Zeus and Apollo are not big fans of the Diamondbacks these days. How else can one explain the misadventures of baseball’s most accomplished expansion franchise?

The answer, in case the individuals running the D-Backs care (and they most certainly do not), could be found in Michael Lewis’s best-selling book, “Moneyball.” In “Moneyball,” Lewis describes how the Oakland A’s consistently turnout high win totals from a low budget, a pertinent premise for the Diamondbacks as they take their bloated payroll down from upwards of $90 million into the low $50 million range.

This season the Diamondbacks rank 13th in payroll ($70,204,984) and 29th (29) in wins. The incongruity has been explained (although not very well) via various metaphysical and revisionist rationales.

Talking about the state of the season last Thursday, Chairman and CEO Jerry Colangelo said, "We had our legs cut out from under us with some major injuries. You have to take that, but no one would have anticipated this avalanche - 15 guys on the DL is unheard of, but it has happened."

Fifteen on the DL may be unheard of, especially if you’ve never heard of several of those occupants. Alan Zinter, Brandon Lyon, Brian Bruney, Robbie Hammock, Shane Nance would fit this description or, for most, the lack an available one. Casey Fossum, Jose Valverde, Matt Kata and Oscar Villarreal aren’t exactly marquee names, either. Brent Mayne, Carlos Baerga, Greg Colbrunn, Matt Mantei, Richie Sexson, Roberto Alomar, and Shane Reynolds round out the rest, and only one (Sexson) is under the age of 30.


http://www.azgameday.com/news_gameday.shtml#newsitem1089130822,42212,
 

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WizardOfAz said:
Funnyball: Why the baseball god(s) aren’t too crazy about the Arizona Diamondbacks these days.

By Rod Lakin

Interesting takes.

Took a few liberties with the "Money Ball" angle though.
 

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It's hilarious how sports experts suck up to Billy Beane and Moneyball types considering the approach has resulted in no World Series or pennants.
 

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MaoTosiFanClub said:
It's hilarious how sports experts suck up to Billy Beane and Moneyball types considering the approach has resulted in no World Series or pennants.
Seemed to work fine for the Marlins last year.....
 

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Ryanwb said:
Seemed to work fine for the Marlins last year.....

I don't see how you consider last year's Marlins a Billy Beane team. They were all over the place on the basepaths and were near last in the league in walks.
 

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MaoTosiFanClub said:
I don't see how you consider last year's Marlins a Billy Beane team. They were all over the place on the basepaths and were near last in the league in walks.
I was more interested in referencing the "Moneyball" comparison.... Marlins had a 49 million dollar payroll last year and trashed a team with 3 times that.
 

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The Dbacks are really gonna be good next year after they dump another $30mil. in salary.

Better get used to it, the Dbacks are going to be the joke of MLB for the next couple of years.

Why would Sexson want to stay here? :shrug:
 

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Ryanwb said:
I was more interested in referencing the "Moneyball" comparison.... Marlins had a 49 million dollar payroll last year and trashed a team with 3 times that.

My bad, I thought you were saying the Marlins were a Jamesian/Sabremetrician team.
 

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devilalum said:
The Dbacks are really gonna be good next year after they dump another $30mil. in salary.

Better get used to it, the Dbacks are going to be the joke of MLB for the next couple of years.

Why would Sexson want to stay here? :shrug:

Which goes to show you it's no only management or pay-roll, it is management of pay-roll that is the issue.
 

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NickelBack said:
Which goes to show you it's no only management or pay-roll, it is management of pay-roll that is the issue.
Well, yes and no.

If you have a low payroll - you really need good management. - A's, Marlins

If you have a high payroll - you can survive bad management - see 2001 D-Backs.

High payroll - good management = perennial contenders - Yankees

But bad management - low payroll = bad baseball = 2004 D-backs
 

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where do you guys think richie is going to go next year if he doesnt sign with the Dbacks?
 

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MaoTosiFanClub said:
It's hilarious how sports experts suck up to Billy Beane and Moneyball types considering the approach has resulted in no World Series or pennants.

If you read the book, they make it clear that managing with that style is only designed to get you to the playoffs, not win the series. They design a team that should come out on top after 162 games, but have no control over a 5 or 7 game series. The moneyball approach is only good through the regular season. It is a statistical based system, and a 5 or 7 game sample is too short for the results to play out in the predictable way all the time.

I don't think that it is sucking up to Billy Beane to point out how his team has done since he's been there. The man is a genius and his teams are successful. And he doesn't pay to bring in talent. He goes out and finds it. Look at the A's record the last few years, particularly the second half of the year, and look at the good, cheap players they have and try to argue against Beane's approach.
 

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lrk27 said:
I don't think that it is sucking up to Billy Beane to point out how his team has done since he's been there. The man is a genius and his teams are successful. And he doesn't pay to bring in talent. He goes out and finds it. Look at the A's record the last few years, particularly the second half of the year, and look at the good, cheap players they have and try to argue against Beane's approach.

My bad if I came off doubtful of Beane as he obviously is one of the best GMs in the game. He always gets his man and the product he puts out on the field with limited resources is nothing short of remarkable. What I find odd is how the country has seemed to embrace Beane as the top GM in baseball and the model for how teams hire their front office. I just think it's a bit premature to prop up Beane as much as many media members do considering his teams have not won a postseason series. Terry Ryan's (Twins GM) approach of speed, defense, and top-notch player development has merited equal if not more success than Beane's yet we never hear a word about him. Don't get me wrong, Beane is one of the best, but let's hold off on the sainthood nomination that many sportswriters want to give him until he at least wins a pennant.
 
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