Robert Quinn Pro Day results-4.58 40 at 264 pounds

[Lomax to Green 84]

Not bad!. NFL Network showed clips of the workout and one of the head coaches they showed in attendance was Ken Whisenhunt. Mike Mayock said that Quinn was the one guy with "issues" (injury concerns, suspension, character issues etc.) that he would take a gamble on as a top 10 selection. Mayock said that Quinn has "it" when it comes to rushing the quarterback and is one of the most gifted pass rushers to come out in the last few years.

I did some research on this kid (2 time state wrestling champion in high school, won't be 21 years old until after the draft, started at defensive end as a true freshmen only 8 months after having brain surgery to remove a benign tumor). Way back in January before all the workouts and mock drafts there was a report by Mike Jurecki and he said that Robert Quinn was the guy the Cardinals were looking at as the impact defensive player they desperately needed. I've always believed that teams have a pretty good idea early on who they like based on game tape. The combine, interviews, and pro days just help to fill in the gaps. If Quinn was their guy way back in January, I would guess a 4.58 40 at 264 pounds only helped to confirm what they already knew about the guy.

Ray Horton talked about using alot of 4-2-5 alignments in obvious passing situations. If so, a guy like Quinn, who will need time to adjust to being a 3-4 outside linebacker, can still help as a rush specialist in the 4-2-5 alignment and then eventually take over as a full time outside backer.

He's my pick at #5 and always has been.

 

[az jam]

NFL.COM Blog Pro Day

Quinn (6-foot-4 3/8, 264 pounds) put on a show. He had a 33-inch vertical, 10-5 1/2 broad jump, 4.59-second 40-yard dash, 4.26 seconds in the short shuttle and completed 24 reps of 225 pounds in the bench press.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Wow...freak show. If Miller is off the board, I think the Cards seriously consider Quinn.

 

[Shane]

24 reps not all that impressive IMO.

 

[kerouac9]

This is a guy who abandoned his teammates at the first sign of some diamond earrings. UNC had a shot at the National Championship. Quinn has remarkable physical skills, but any talk of building a team and getting leadership from the #5 overall pick in the draft goes out the window if you take Robert Quinn.

 

[Mitch]

I am not buying into Quinn. Sure, he's a very good prospect---but there are red flags all over this kid.

Put is this way...he knew he had all season to prepare for the combine and what he did there was very disappointing...he ran a 4.62 and he only had a mere 20 reps at 225...which he now has upped to 24.

No matter what...he is a major risk at #5...and he is definitely not worth #5 money...he's had one good year, and that was two years ago.

You take a player like Kerrigan who has earned everything the hard way...fighting through double teams on a lousy team last year and still earned the Big 10 DPOY....that says a lot...and this is a kid who has played well for three years, not one.

Our money is much safer in his hands and there is no question in my mind about it.

If Bowers didn't have the knee issue...I could see making a stronger case for him...but even there, he was rated the #1 high school prospect in the USA when he came to Clemson...and all he gave them was one good year---a year that one could consider a contract year, because that's when he finally showed up.

We need lunch-pail types if we are ever going to turn the mentality of the football team around---not players with dubious qualifications---and NO MORE drafting on sheer talent---at the end of the day, the lunch pail guys win every time, because they show up hungry every day and they give you an honest day's work.

To me, this choice isn't even close---not if you value consistent effort, tenacity and determination. Kerrigan has it all over those two.

 

[BurqueCardFan]

I am not buying into Quinn. Sure, he's a very good prospect---but there are red flags all over this kid.

Put is this way...he knew he had all season to prepare for the combine and what he did there was very disappointing...he ran a 4.62 and he only had a mere 20 reps at 225...which he now has upped to 24.

No matter what...he is a major risk at #5...and he is definitely not worth #5 money...he's had one good year, and that was two years ago.

You take a player like Kerrigan who has earned everything the hard way...fighting through double teams on a lousy team last year and still earned the Big 10 DPOY....that says a lot...and this is a kid who has played well for three years, not one.

Our money is much safer in his hands and there is no question in my mind about it.

If Bowers didn't have the knee issue...I could see making a stronger case for him...but even there, he was rated the #1 high school prospect in the USA when he came to Clemson...and all he gave them was one good year---a year that one could consider a contract year, because that's when he finally showed up.

We need lunch-pail types if we are ever going to turn the mentality of the football team around---not players with dubious qualifications---and NO MORE drafting on sheer talent---at the end of the day, the lunch pail guys win every time, because they show up hungry every day and they give you an honest day's work.

To me, this choice isn't even close---not if you value consistent effort, tenacity and determination. Kerrigan has it all over those two.

I agree, we do need lunchpail types but not at #5. Kerrigan is a classic overachiever. Reminds me of Vandenbosh (sp?) when he was on our team.

 

[kerouac9]

We should see what Fred Wakefield is doing. I think we could put together a string of 4-12, 5-11 seasons with lunch-pail types. All we did was go to a Super Bowl with talented players like Antrel Rolle and Karlos Dansby.

 

[Lomax to Green 84]

This is a guy who abandoned his teammates at the first sign of some diamond earrings. UNC had a shot at the National Championship. Quinn has remarkable physical skills, but any talk of building a team and getting leadership from the #5 overall pick in the draft goes out the window if you take Robert Quinn.

The kid grew up in North Charleston, South Carolina one of the roughest and poorest areas in the country. Some slime ball agent came to him and he made a mistake. It's not like he was snorting cocaine. He admitted his mistake and is ready to move on.

 

[football karma]

This is a guy who abandoned his teammates at the first sign of some diamond earrings. UNC had a shot at the National Championship. Quinn has remarkable physical skills, but any talk of building a team and getting leadership from the #5 overall pick in the draft goes out the window if you take Robert Quinn.

I suspect that the only difference in this regard between Quinn and a decent percentage of draftable players is that he got caught.

 

[Dayman]

24 reps not all that impressive IMO.

Terrell Suggs-19 reps
Demarcus Ware-23 reps
Tamba Hali-18 reps
Clay Matthews-23 reps

24 reps is pretty solid compared to other successful 3-4 OLBs. Woodley is the only guy I can think of who did more.

We should see what Fred Wakefield is doing. I think we could put together a string of 4-12, 5-11 seasons with lunch-pail types. All we did was go to a Super Bowl with talented players like Antrel Rolle and Karlos Dansby.

Whis has definitely overdone the lunch-pail theory, ala McGinnis. He has to find a medium between Cody Brown (high physical ability, questionable everything else) and Max Hall (loads of moxie, too many flaws to list parenthetically). But, yeah, I've seen enough underdog stories on this team for awhile. We need to get some talent.

 

[Monty]

This is a guy who abandoned his teammates at the first sign of some diamond earrings. UNC had a shot at the National Championship. Quinn has remarkable physical skills, but any talk of building a team and getting leadership from the #5 overall pick in the draft goes out the window if you take Robert Quinn.

Come on K9, you are going a little over the top there. Sure, he chased the dollar when an opportunity came, but that only actually provides proof of what many including myself believe is happening on the college circuit anyway. He was foolish enough to get caught and he paid the NCAA price for it.

Sure, question his abilities, talent or readiness to play at the NFL but I think casting him down for trying to make some money and paying the price for it, is unfair. Is taking some jewellery and travel accommodation offered to you so morally reprehensible? I've been to several college campuses in the past few years as part of my marine recruiting activities and the stories of what the vast majority of players (who are treated like gods on campus) get up to would shock you if you consider this a real crime.


P.S. if team is looking to build a team around or get leadership skills from a 20 year old draft pick, you are in some deep s**t ,to put it mildly,anyway regardless of who you pick.

 

[Stout]

This is a guy who abandoned his teammates at the first sign of some diamond earrings. UNC had a shot at the National Championship. Quinn has remarkable physical skills, but any talk of building a team and getting leadership from the #5 overall pick in the draft goes out the window if you take Robert Quinn.

Nah, let's take the Ryan Leaf impersonator instead. I mean, it's not red flags are a bad thing for a top-5 QB, right?

If you're going to throw stones at Quinn, stop pimping a kid that is not only just as bad, but is still acting like an idiot.

 

[Lomax to Green 84]

I am not buying into Quinn. Sure, he's a very good prospect---but there are red flags all over this kid.

Put is this way...he knew he had all season to prepare for the combine and what he did there was very disappointing...he ran a 4.62 and he only had a mere 20 reps at 225...which he now has upped to 24.

No matter what...he is a major risk at #5...and he is definitely not worth #5 money...he's had one good year, and that was two years ago.

You take a player like Kerrigan who has earned everything the hard way...fighting through double teams on a lousy team last year and still earned the Big 10 DPOY....that says a lot...and this is a kid who has played well for three years, not one.

Our money is much safer in his hands and there is no question in my mind about it.

If Bowers didn't have the knee issue...I could see making a stronger case for him...but even there, he was rated the #1 high school prospect in the USA when he came to Clemson...and all he gave them was one good year---a year that one could consider a contract year, because that's when he finally showed up.

We need lunch-pail types if we are ever going to turn the mentality of the football team around---not players with dubious qualifications---and NO MORE drafting on sheer talent---at the end of the day, the lunch pail guys win every time, because they show up hungry every day and they give you an honest day's work.

To me, this choice isn't even close---not if you value consistent effort, tenacity and determination. Kerrigan has it all over those two.

I always respect your opinions Mitch, but I think you have it wrong in regards to Quinn. He had one spectacular sophomore year and a freshman year that was very solid considering that he was less than a year removed from having a tumor removed from his brain. The doctors told him he would never play football again and in less than a year he was playing and starting in major college football as an 18 year old.

 

[Lomax to Green 84]

24 reps not all that impressive IMO.

The kid has arms that hang down to his knees. Being built like that means you are moving 225 pounds alot farther than some barrel chested guy with short arms. 24 reps is plenty strong. That is 3 more reps than Marcel Dareus had.

 

[Cards Czar]

This is a guy who abandoned his teammates at the first sign of some diamond earrings. UNC had a shot at the National Championship. Quinn has remarkable physical skills, but any talk of building a team and getting leadership from the #5 overall pick in the draft goes out the window if you take Robert Quinn.

Common, a kid 18 yr old kid one of the poorest areas of South Carolina who doesn't have a lot of money and a scum bag agent gives him money. I bet you have a silver spoon.

Here is some info on the area he comes from.



Crime North Charleston (2009) National Average
Murder 10.4-------------------- 5.0
Rape 57.3----------------------- 28.7
Robbery 391.7 ---------------------133.0
Assault 575.1 ---------------------262.8
Burglary 1066.9--------------------716.3
Automobile Theft 631.4----------------258.8

His nick name is El Roy.

 

[Monty]

This is a guy who abandoned his teammates at the first sign of some diamond earrings. UNC had a shot at the National Championship. Quinn has remarkable physical skills, but any talk of building a team and getting leadership from the #5 overall pick in the draft goes out the window if you take Robert Quinn.

Not bagging on you or anything K9, but I think it is truly hypocritical for you to criticise Quinn for taking some jewellery while you promote Cam Newton, a guy whose family was asking for ''$100,000 to $180,000'' from colleges in order to secure his services. I'm just saying.

 

[Lomax to Green 84]

The interview with Butch Davis regarding Quinn was very telling. Davis is a defensive line guru and he said Quinn was as good as any lineman he had ever coached. He emphasized the incredible balance and power Quinn plays with and attributes that to his years as a wrestler (2 time state champion).

Terms like leverage, plays with power, sets the edge all sound a heck of alot like a Steelers type of outside linebacker. Quinn possesses all of those qualities and he packs a wallop at 264 pounds. Mike Mayock added that the tape from 2009 (Sophomore year) was of a kid that had just turned 19 years old. He added that one can only imagine the physical attributes of Quinn when his body matures.

 

[Garthshort]

Warren Sapp didn't have many reps, and he did more than okay, at a position that requires strength. Just sayin.

 

[Catfish]

The kid grew up in North Charleston, South Carolina one of the roughest and poorest areas in the country. Some slime ball agent came to him and he made a mistake. It's not like he was snorting cocaine. He admitted his mistake and is ready to move on.

Holian, I'm with you on Quinn. He has been my pick at #5 all along also. I like his quicks much more than his speed. Even when he is late coming off the ball, he often gets past his man because of his hugely quick first step and his body control. I too, think he was easy prey for a slime-ball agent.

 

[kerouac9]

Not bagging on you or anything K9, but I think it is truly hypocritical for you to criticise Quinn for taking some jewellery while you promote Cam Newton, a guy whose family was asking for ''$100,000 to $180,000'' from colleges in order to secure his services. I'm just saying.

Why? Cam didn't do anything, and he lead a mid-tier SEC program to a National Championship. Even if Cam was intimately involved in a pay-for-play program, who did he hurt? Some boosters? They saw him win a national championship for their program!

Who did Robert Quinn hurt? Every player on UNC's roster, and all the fans of the program. They could've had a national championship team on their hands, with four or five first-round draft picks on their defense. Instead, Quinn took more than $5500 in improper gifts. Dude's 21 years old; I don't care what neighborhood you're from, the NCAA is thorough in explaining to players what is acceptable and what isn't.

IMO, players in the lockerroom will not be able to overlook that kind of selfishness--the kind that hurts your teammates.

 

[Stout]

Why? Cam didn't do anything, and he lead a mid-tier SEC program to a National Championship. Even if Cam was intimately involved in a pay-for-play program, who did he hurt? Some boosters? They saw him win a national championship for their program!

Who did Robert Quinn hurt? Every player on UNC's roster, and all the fans of the program. They could've had a national championship team on their hands, with four or five first-round draft picks on their defense. Instead, Quinn took more than $5500 in improper gifts. Dude's 21 years old; I don't care what neighborhood you're from, the NCAA is thorough in explaining to players what is acceptable and what isn't.

IMO, players in the lockerroom will not be able to overlook that kind of selfishness--the kind that hurts your teammates.

 

[Shane]

Why? Cam didn't do anything, and he lead a mid-tier SEC program to a National Championship. Even if Cam was intimately involved in a pay-for-play program, who did he hurt? Some boosters? They saw him win a national championship for their program!

Who did Robert Quinn hurt? Every player on UNC's roster, and all the fans of the program. They could've had a national championship team on their hands, with four or five first-round draft picks on their defense. Instead, Quinn took more than $5500 in improper gifts. Dude's 21 years old; I don't care what neighborhood you're from, the NCAA is thorough in explaining to players what is acceptable and what isn't.

IMO, players in the lockerroom will not be able to overlook that kind of selfishness--the kind that hurts your teammates.

All of this from the biggest Vick fan on the planet. You are truly a hypocrite!

 

[Monty]

Why? Cam didn't do anything

What are you talking about? Come on K9, you are an intelligent guy, are you honestly telling me you think that he had no involvement in what his father was doing on his behalf? There is no way that he would let his father go and negotiate on his behalf if he wasnt aboard on with what his father was gonna propose to Mississippi state and other colleges. To think that Cam had no involvement is either really naive or just making bad excuses for the guy

Even if Cam was intimately involved in a pay-for-play program, who did he hurt? Some boosters? They saw him win a national championship for their program!

Two things here. Pay for Play or taking some jewellery and travelling accommodation are more or less the same thing. In both cases the athlete is trying to get some financial reward or compensation for his playing services. Its just that NCAA looks down on anything to do with possible agents in the college game that's why they came down harder on Quinn than they did on Newton. The other thing is that Newton is that Newton was smart enough to let his father do the actual dealing so there was no evidence that he was directly involved, whereas you could say that Quinn was stupid enough to do be caught doing it himself. We are kind of digressing here from the key issue, namely that regardless of whether Newton or Quinn was caught it is undeniable that just about every college athlete is involved in these type of activity its just that when the NCAA gets evidence it tries to make example of the athlete in question (so they should too, im not excusing it).

Who did Robert Quinn hurt? Every player on UNC's roster, and all the fans of the program. They could've had a national championship team on their hands, with four or five first-round draft picks on their defense. Instead, Quinn took more than $5500 in improper gifts. Dude's 21 years old; I don't care what neighborhood you're from, the NCAA is thorough in explaining to players what is acceptable and what isn't.

First of all the D was not UNC's main problem this year, they had a woeful offense that would not have had them contending regardless of whether Quinn would've played or not. Also there were a few other players missing from the team so Quinn's lone absence mattered even less in that regard. However, I do accept with him being their best player it may have had a bigger effect than the other absence. No way they have had a national championship even with him though with all their other problems.

Its easier said than done to ignore what is put in front of you in Robert Quinn's situation. He comes from an extremely deprived background and no matter how many times the NCAA highlights these issues, kids like Quinn see a chance for them to make money like they've never seen before. You have to understand the situation they are in. An injury or life-threatening illness (like his brain tumor) may cause them to miss out on a career in the NFL so often they'll feel they have to make the money while they can. I'm not excusing what he did, im just pointing out that its not the great despicable crime some can make it out to be.

IMO, players in the lockerroom will not be able to overlook that kind of selfishness--the kind that hurts your teammates.

That's true but like ive said before these are things that happen ALL the time in the college game so I highly doubt many players can take a moral high ground on something like this. Often I bet they know before the NCAA gets a whiff of the story and therefore it wouldnt shock if it becomes almost an accepted practice.

And what do you think Cam's team mate think about the credibility of Cam when they know his family is trying to rip off college teams on his behalf? you think they'll love him and adore him like the god some folk seem to think he is? I doubt it.

 

[Matt L]

Can't you guys admit that both players have question marks about them?