Robert Quinn Pro Day results-4.58 40 at 264 pounds

[Monty]

Can't you guys admit that both players have question marks about them?

Yep that's exactly what I was saying that both of them have done something, matter of fact I think just about every college player is involved in this kind of thing one way or another.

 

[Seandonic]

No matter what...he is a major risk at #5

With all due respect Mitch, you just described every kid in this or any other draft.

The kid grew up in North Charleston, South Carolina one of the roughest and poorest areas in the country. Some slime ball agent came to him and he made a mistake. It's not like he was snorting cocaine. He admitted his mistake and is ready to move on.

I know this neighborhood and for a kid to come out of that mess shows at least some character. As does conquering his health problems, which are unfortunately a concern for his long term future.

He's my pick at #5 and always has been.

I've always really liked this kid too but with no way to add a QB through free-agency or trade I have wavered. Way to stick to your guns Holian.

 

[Stout]

Can't you guys admit that both players have question marks about them?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Why? Cam didn't do anything, and he lead a mid-tier SEC program to a National Championship. Even if Cam was intimately involved in a pay-for-play program, who did he hurt? Some boosters? They saw him win a national championship for their program!

Who did Robert Quinn hurt? Every player on UNC's roster, and all the fans of the program. They could've had a national championship team on their hands, with four or five first-round draft picks on their defense. Instead, Quinn took more than $5500 in improper gifts. Dude's 21 years old; I don't care what neighborhood you're from, the NCAA is thorough in explaining to players what is acceptable and what isn't.

IMO, players in the lockerroom will not be able to overlook that kind of selfishness--the kind that hurts your teammates.

Why are you singling out Quinn as being selfish and hurting UNC's National Championship run when about half the team's best players were all ineligible. I think about 14 players were ruled ineligible at some point during the season icluding highly touted guys like Marvin Austin, Greg Little, Kendrick Bruney,and Charles Brown.

BTW, I'd love for the Cards to grab Greg Little in round 3. That guy is going to be very good.

 

[BigRedRage]

Why? Cam didn't do anything, and he lead a mid-tier SEC program to a National Championship. Even if Cam was intimately involved in a pay-for-play program, who did he hurt? Some boosters? They saw him win a national championship for their program!

Who did Robert Quinn hurt? Every player on UNC's roster, and all the fans of the program. They could've had a national championship team on their hands, with four or five first-round draft picks on their defense. Instead, Quinn took more than $5500 in improper gifts. Dude's 21 years old; I don't care what neighborhood you're from, the NCAA is thorough in explaining to players what is acceptable and what isn't.

IMO, players in the lockerroom will not be able to overlook that kind of selfishness--the kind that hurts your teammates.

cams one good year in college isnt gonna take us to the super bowl and translate into a long, star studded career.

Whats the last QB like cam with any success? Maybe rapelessburger? noone else.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I am not buying into Quinn. Sure, he's a very good prospect---but there are red flags all over this kid.

Put is this way...he knew he had all season to prepare for the combine and what he did there was very disappointing...he ran a 4.62 and he only had a mere 20 reps at 225...which he now has upped to 24.

No matter what...he is a major risk at #5...and he is definitely not worth #5 money...he's had one good year, and that was two years ago.

You take a player like Kerrigan who has earned everything the hard way...fighting through double teams on a lousy team last year and still earned the Big 10 DPOY....that says a lot...and this is a kid who has played well for three years, not one.

Our money is much safer in his hands and there is no question in my mind about it.

If Bowers didn't have the knee issue...I could see making a stronger case for him...but even there, he was rated the #1 high school prospect in the USA when he came to Clemson...and all he gave them was one good year---a year that one could consider a contract year, because that's when he finally showed up.

We need lunch-pail types if we are ever going to turn the mentality of the football team around---not players with dubious qualifications---and NO MORE drafting on sheer talent---at the end of the day, the lunch pail guys win every time, because they show up hungry every day and they give you an honest day's work.

To me, this choice isn't even close---not if you value consistent effort, tenacity and determination. Kerrigan has it all over those two.

I get the "character" issue, when it actually exists as an issue.... BUT,

Talent consistently beats "lunch pail" in every sport since the dawn of time.

Kerrigan is a #5 pick only in your mind.

Every board if seen of any consequence has him in back half of the first round.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

He will be our pick if he is available. Mark it down.

 

[Russ Smith]

Why? Cam didn't do anything, and he lead a mid-tier SEC program to a National Championship. Even if Cam was intimately involved in a pay-for-play program, who did he hurt? Some boosters? They saw him win a national championship for their program!

Who did Robert Quinn hurt? Every player on UNC's roster, and all the fans of the program. They could've had a national championship team on their hands, with four or five first-round draft picks on their defense. Instead, Quinn took more than $5500 in improper gifts. Dude's 21 years old; I don't care what neighborhood you're from, the NCAA is thorough in explaining to players what is acceptable and what isn't.

IMO, players in the lockerroom will not be able to overlook that kind of selfishness--the kind that hurts your teammates.

That's a HUGE leap of faith that he didn't do anything and that it won't eventually come out.

And didn't hurt Auburn, did you not hear about the HBO Sports show, do you really not think that show happened because everyone is trying to find dirt on Auburn now thanks to Newton?

Didn't hurt teammates, what about his teammates at Florida, think they would have liked to have him as their post Tebow QB, but he got caught cheating twice and had to leave the school.

I don't condone what Quinn did either but there's no way you can label him negatively and not throw the same label at Newton IMHO.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

We should see what Fred Wakefield is doing. I think we could put together a string of 4-12, 5-11 seasons with lunch-pail types. All we did was go to a Super Bowl with talented players like Karlos Dansby.

FTFY.

Let's not bring in the guy who cost us the Superbowl, and almost cost us a win in the Roaster in the Toaster.

 

[az jam]

The real question that I have is: Would the Cards take Robert Quinn with the #5 pick especially if Von Miller is not available??

 

[juza76]

The real question that I have is: Would the Cards take Robert Quinn with the #5 pick especially if Von Miller is not available??

who are for you the players who can make an impact from day1..i think quinn is a bit raw..he need time to learn the position

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

FTFY.

Let's not bring in the guy who cost us the Superbowl, and almost cost us a win in the Roaster in the Toaster.

he didn't say anything about bringing back Aaron Francisco did he?

 

[Buckybird]

And didn't hurt Auburn, did you not hear about the HBO Sports show, do you really not think that show happened because everyone is trying to find dirt on Auburn now thanks to Newton?

I saw the show & Auburn will be stripped of the championship & Newton his Heisman an afterthought in a few years IMO. The crap will soon hit the fan!!! I stiil think it's ashamed that Tressel still has a job at OSU...stayed tuned on that one.

 

[joeshmo]

The interview with Butch Davis regarding Quinn was very telling.

Well that is a new one, a coach talking glowingly about his soon to be drafted prospect.

 

[Buckybird]

Well that is a new one, a coach talking glowingly about his soon to be drafted prospect.

yeah really Joe, Wiz speaks highly of Levi ...all coachspeak.

 

[juza76]

about quinn i heard that teams still waiting to hear from docs on tumor.didnt know that

 

[Monty]

I stiil think it's a shame that Tressel still has a job at OSU...stayed tuned on that one.

Im with you there, Tressel has done everything to hide the inexcusable behaviour of his player when he fully knew what was going on. He has behaved like a slimeball and I dont think you'll find many outside of Ohio who believes his BS. I mean who is trying to kid when he says I knew about it but didn't know who to tell.

 

[Monty]

about quinn i heard that teams still waiting to hear from docs on tumor.didnt know that

Well you would want to know about the exact situation with something as serious as that. The kid survived brain surgery before he was 18, the least a team can do in their due dilligence is check the status of his recovery.

 

[Chopper0080]

Please tell me that we aren't back to glorifying every college DE as a "potential" 3-4 linebacker. Quinn is a great college DE, and will probably be a very productive professional DE, but he is not an OLB. Stop kidding yourselves in thinking that a 40 time has any correlation with his ability to play standing up.

It's very telling that despite the top 10 having five 3-4 defensive teams, Quinn's agent decided NOT to have him do LB drills at the combine.

 

[WildBB]

I am not buying into Quinn. Sure, he's a very good prospect---but there are red flags all over this kid.

Put is this way...he knew he had all season to prepare for the combine and what he did there was very disappointing...he ran a 4.62 and he only had a mere 20 reps at 225...which he now has upped to 24.

No matter what...he is a major risk at #5...and he is definitely not worth #5 money...he's had one good year, and that was two years ago.

You take a player like Kerrigan who has earned everything the hard way...fighting through double teams on a lousy team last year and still earned the Big 10 DPOY....that says a lot...and this is a kid who has played well for three years, not one.

Our money is much safer in his hands and there is no question in my mind about it.

If Bowers didn't have the knee issue...I could see making a stronger case for him...but even there, he was rated the #1 high school prospect in the USA when he came to Clemson...and all he gave them was one good year---a year that one could consider a contract year, because that's when he finally showed up.

We need lunch-pail types if we are ever going to turn the mentality of the football team around---not players with dubious qualifications---and NO MORE drafting on sheer talent---at the end of the day, the lunch pail guys win every time, because they show up hungry every day and they give you an honest day's work.

To me, this choice isn't even close---not if you value consistent effort, tenacity and determination. Kerrigan has it all over those two.

Nice post Mitch.

 

[Stout]

I had Bowers going #1 to the Panthers, because they desperately need an edge rusher, and I don't think they're wanting to draft Newton or Gabbert, both for talent purposes and because they don't want a young QB with no development in his rookie season just like us.

In Quinn, they get probably the best pass-rushing DE prospect in the draft, IMO. And hey, they love selecting UNC DEs first overall, right?

 

[WildBB]

I get the "character" issue, when it actually exists as an issue.... BUT,

Talent consistently beats "lunch pail" in every sport since the dawn of time.

Kerrigan is a #5 pick only in your mind.

Every board if seen of any consequence has him in back half of the first round.

Many of lunch pail players have great talent. Sometimes the evaluting is biased and flawed.

Mitch is talking about ACTUAL RESULTS over a period of time. Not what they might be able to achieve given their God given ability.

And many times those (later pick 1st round) players work out MUCH BETTER to their respective teams than a lot of the early picks.

Even those drafted at the top of the 2nd round. They have that much more to prove.

 

[Lomax to Green 84]

Well that is a new one, a coach talking glowingly about his soon to be drafted prospect.

Good point. My bias towards Quinn is hard to hide. Thanks for the reality check.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I had Bowers going #1 to the Panthers, because they desperately need an edge rusher, and I don't think they're wanting to draft Newton or Gabbert, both for talent purposes and because they don't want a young QB with no development in his rookie season just like us.

In Quinn, they get probably the best pass-rushing DE prospect in the draft, IMO. And hey, they love selecting UNC DEs first overall, right?

They don't desperately need an edge rush. Charles Johnson did have 11 sacks last year, though he's not under contract right now.

If they don't plan on resigning Johnson, then yes they will need a DE. If they do resign him, their biggest need defensively is at DT since they trotted out no-name effort players at the position last year.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Many of lunch pail players have great talent. Sometimes the evaluting is biased and flawed.

Mitch is talking about ACTUAL RESULTS over a period of time. Not what they might be able to achieve given their God given ability.

And many times those (later pick 1st round) players work out MUCH BETTER to their respective teams than a lot of the early picks.

Even those drafted at the top of the 2nd round. They have that much more to prove.

Why would anyone doing professional evaluations be biased against Kerrigan? They're not. They've graded his talent from mid to back end of the first round. Pretty damn high and complimentary in my estimation. But, no one I've read, with any credibility in the field, has him in the top 10.

That later picks often pan out (thank God!) is irrelevant to what I was saying; namely that talent is the starting point in evaluating athletes and their potential success, not whether they are willing to run through walls.