Robert Sarver is in Big Trouble (ANNOUNCES SALE PROCESS)

[GatorAZ]

There is no way that's gonna happen. I cannot imagine the kind of punishment the Suns would face if they got busted doing that.

I don’t mean day to day stuff but how can any significant move be done without the owner indirectly signing off on some sort. I mean they let him pick the middle man after all.

 

[Superbone]

Hollinger: Adam Silver botched Robert Sarver's punishment and news conference. He has a year to fix it

Adam Silver, you’re on the clock. You have one year to get Robert Sarver all the way out of your league. If that wasn’t obvious in the immediate reaction to Tuesday’s announcement of a wrist-slap punishment for the Phoenix Suns and Phoenix Mercury owner’s compiled misdeeds, it sure as heck...

theathletic.com

It's behind a paywall unfortunately.

 

[Raindog]

It's behind a paywall unfortunately.

To read it, just turn off Javascript and cookies, and refresh the page.

Well written article... and lots of zingers in both the NBA and Sarver.

 

[Raindog]

And lest anyone forget, you can probably count on the Suns getting zero help from the referees again this season. If anybody thinks the NBA and Silver really have any desire to go through the awkwardness of awarding a championship trophy to thr Suns while Sarver is still in any way affiliated with the team, I have bad news for you.

So the handful of folks I have seen on (mostly other) forums who seem to believe life will go on happily now, with this year's Suns team still having some legit shot at winning it all... well, they really are too stupid to live.

 

[1tinsoldier]

no one has to make you out to be a Booker hater. you do that plenty well yourself.

instead of me accusing you of being a 1tinsoldier hater, for the sake of everyone who understandably hates this kind of bickering, let's just conclude that i am a Booker-hater and everyone can invalidate and ignore anything i say about him (hmmm. ignore rhymes with "Igor." i was labeled an Igor hater too.

and ignore anything i may say about Kyler Murray in the Cards forum too
because now that they both constitute the bulk of their franchises' salary, my expectations have increased proportionately

and Ayton. he demanded to be one of the teams max players so i'm going to get my crank on with him too if he doesn't deliver a max performance

 

[Cheesebeef]

And lest anyone forget, you can probably count on the Suns getting zero help from the referees again this season. If anybody thinks the NBA and Silver really have any desire to go through the awkwardness of awarding a championship trophy to thr Suns while Sarver is still in any way affiliated with the team, I have bad news for you.

So the handful of folks I have seen on (mostly other) forums who seem to believe life will go on happily now, with this year's Suns team still having some legit shot at winning it all... well, they really are too stupid to live.

oh... we are definitely the black hat of the league and the face of oppression if there is one in the NBA at this point.

 

[Yuma]

So the Suns have an image problem with minorities now. So they replace rich white Sarver with a rich white guy who worked for Reagan. This is getting WORSE, not better! LOL!

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[AzStevenCal]

why are you giving him the benefit of the doubt. he was one of the initial backers of Sarver when the investigation broke a year ago.

I don't know how anyone gives ANYONE in the Suns organization the benefit of the doubt after they all enabled Sarver for 20 years and then stood by him, accepting the 1 year penalty with nothing further yesterday with their pathetic statement.

Because I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt until I see reason to do otherwise.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Because I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt until I see reason to do otherwise.

he backed Sarver 100%... and is part of the board that stood by him in that offensive letter they released yesterday. Why does a guy who's standing by Sarver right now deserve the benefit of the doubt?

 

[AzStevenCal]

I don’t mean day to day stuff but how can any significant move be done without the owner indirectly signing off on some sort. I mean they let him pick the middle man after all.

I didn't realize that Sarver got to pick him. That's worrisome.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

We can agree to disagree. I'm not going to discuss it here.

I actually think you’re agreeing. Correct me if I’m wrong but you are saying that the discussion of whether to use the n-word at all should be on another forum.

 

[SirStefan32]

i think you're being naive. he's already gotten away with corporate murder in the workplace. to think after the slap on the wrist he won't try to continue to be a snake is unlikely, IMO.

a snake is a snake. he can meet with people without using tech to do so.

Well, I try (with different levels of success) to not let my personal disdain and contempt for Sarver cloud my judgement. I believe there is no way in hell that this has not been discussed by now and everyone is on the same page that they cannot talk to Sarver. It's probably in writing already to protect them from any potential retaliation. Sarver is a douche, but neither he, nor the other owners/ investors are stupid. They are rich people. Rich people don't (for the most part) get rich accidentally. He may be a snake, but he is a snake with the basic concept of self-preservation. This is likely true of minority owners/ investors as well. They will protect their investment.

He also did not get away with "corporate murder." He is an immature, spoiled, filthy-rich man-child with deep insecurities who just wants to be "cool". My guess is that what he has done is not significantly worse than what probably a dozen of other team owners have done, which is why Silver didn't want to touch this with a ten-foot pole. Silver and everyone else are aware that this is not just a Sarver thing. This is a widespread issue plaguing the NBA, and probably other pro sports as well. I am guessing he is probably one of the worst offenders, but if everyone else was clean, Sarver would already be gone.

More than likely, he will get his due. I am guessing he will blast the NBA for all of this, make a statement that he is retiring in order to not be a distraction, and he will be gone. If there is no real pressure or financial consequences, then he will just serve his "punishment" and be back in a year. Either way, there is no chance he does anything that's not 100% by the book in the next year. There is only one thing Sarver loves more than himself, and that's his money. There is zero chance he puts that in jeopardy.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Well, I try (with different levels of success) to not let my personal disdain and contempt for Sarver cloud my judgement. I believe there is no way in hell that this has not been discussed by now and everyone is on the same page that they cannot talk to Sarver. It's probably in writing already to protect them from any potential retaliation. Sarver is a douche, but neither he, nor the other owners/ investors are stupid. They are rich people. Rich people don't (for the most part) get rich accidentally. He may be a snake, but he is a snake with the basic concept of self-preservation. This is likely true of minority owners/ investors as well. They will protect their investment.

He also did not get away with "corporate murder." He is an immature, spoiled, filthy-rich man-child with deep insecurities who just wants to be "cool".

sorry... that is a pathetic minimization of what he did and who is he is. he's a racist, misogynist, sexist pig who created such a toxic culture that was so bad, it even trickled down to HR, the people who are supposed to PROTECT the workers, who ended up "losing records" and even breaking confidentiality agreements from employees.

IDGAF what other owners do or did. We KNOW what Sarver did which is on the record and admitted by him where he sexually harassed women, fired them from their positions because they were pregnant, pushed his **** into someone's face and REPEATEDLY used the N-word after being told not to MULTIPLE TIMES.

As for "rich people aren't stupid"... sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't... but what we know is filthy rich people ARE ARROGANT and believe the rules don't apply to them. If Sarver didn't, he wouldn't have continued to use the N-word or treated women like trash for twenty years.

 

[Covert Rain]

There is no way that's gonna happen. I cannot imagine the kind of punishment the Suns would face if they got busted doing that.

There is no way that is NOT going to happen. Gambo covered this after talking to people in the league. He said there is ZERO doubt Sarver still runs things unofficially. Basically it's the "honor" system outside of Sarver showing up to anything publicly. There is no way to actually enforce him to stop running the team "unofficially".

 

[Covert Rain]

sorry... that is a pathetic minimization of what he did and who is he is. he's a racist, misogynist, sexist pig who created such a toxic culture that was so bad, it even trickled down to HR, the people who are supposed to PROTECT the workers, who ended up "losing records" and even breaking confidentiality agreements from employees.

IDGAF what other owners do or did. We KNOW what Sarver did which is on the record and admitted by him where he sexually harassed women, fired them from their positions because they were pregnant, pushed his **** into someone's face and REPEATEDLY used the N-word after being told not to MULTIPLE TIMES.

As for "rich people aren't stupid"... sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't... but what we know is filthy rich people ARE ARROGANT and believe the rules don't apply to them. If Sarver didn't, he wouldn't have continued to use the N-word or treated women like trash for twenty years.

Also, they said these are not all the incidents. Some incidents went unreported and there are people who chose not to come forward. It's worse than what is reported. That seemed to be confirmed with those that spoke to the league office. The League office also confirmed that not all of the report was made public at the request of the victims. There was over 80,0000 documents related to the investigation so that is likely a given.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Also, they said these are not all the incidents. Some incidents went unreported and there are people who chose not to come forward. It's worse than what is reported. That seemed to be confirmed with those that spoke to the league office. The League office also confirmed that not all of the report was made public at the request of the victims.

good lord.

 

[Cheesebeef]

There is no way that is NOT going to happen. Gambo covered this after talking to people in the league. He said there is ZERO doubt Sarver still runs things unofficially. Basically it's the "honor" system outside of Sarver showing up to anything publicly. There is no way to actually enforce him running the team "unofficially".

yup. again, it's beyond naive to think all of a sudden Sarver's going to do the "right thing" when the league just let him basically get away with doing the wrong thing for the better part of two decades.

 

[Mainstreet]

I actually think you’re agreeing. Correct me if I’m wrong but you are saying that the discussion of whether to use the n-word at all should be on another forum.

Yes, that's what I'm saying. I think if there were to be a discussion about the "N" word it should be on another forum like Politics and Religion.

I dislike the use of the word by any race. IMO, it's a very offensive word.

 

[Covert Rain]

good lord.

Silver alluded to that in the presser. He said outside council granted confidentiality to anybody that requested it.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

I'm still mad at Jerry Colangelo for not vetting Sarver better! He transitioned us to this POS.

I wonder who really does the vetting?

These guys are called owners but often they are just part of several individual ownership groups that have come together to make the purchase. They often have a minority ownership stake personally, but the others make them the "Managing Partner" and face of the franchise for various reasons.

Colangelo (18 percent) owned much less of the Suns than Sarver (30 percent) does.

 

[Covert Rain]

I actually think you’re agreeing. Correct me if I’m wrong but you are saying that the discussion of whether to use the n-word at all should be on another forum.

I really don't see anybody discussing whether to use it. People are just pointing out the INCIDENTS of Sarver doing it which is way different. I think a MOD above has already agreed. Debating usage is definitely over the line IMO too. THAT should be in the Politics and Religion for sure. Just my two cents.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I really don't see anybody discussing whether to use it. People are just pointing out the INCIDENTS of Sarver doing it which is way different. I think a MOD above has already agreed.

Nobody really was, I think the point was that one poster suggested it might be worth discussing but was not doing so because it clearly isn't the right place for that conversation. I know I've stayed away from aspects of this conversation for that very reason, it's too easy to force the Sarver issue out of the sports forum and into P&R.

 

[jf-08]

I really don't see anybody discussing whether to use it. People are just pointing out the INCIDENTS of Sarver doing it which is way different.

100% this.

 

[Raindog]

I didn't realize that Sarver got to pick him. That's worrisome.

Yeah... Sarver got to pick the someone else who will harass employees on his behalf while he is on "suspension."

 

[Cheesebeef]

Yeah... Sarver got to pick the someone else who will harass employees on his behalf while he is on "suspension."

the guy they picked just looks like the poster boy for the movie: STOOGE.