Roc and Manucci to announce a comeback of a former Cardinals player!

[azmike74]

Swann had flashes of brilliance, we all saw what we thought could be the ultimate DT in the league. If that is true, it didn't quite happen then, I don't see it happening now. That being said, I wish him all the best if it is him. BTW I have been drinking in case this didn't make sense.

 

[Skkorpion]

Roger Wehrli. With apologies to you old timers, my reaction is - Gee, wow, now that's really connecting to AZ ticket buyers.

At the rate we're going, why not just fill up the whole ring of honor with St. Louis guys?

These Bidwills don't have a clue. If they are so proud of the St. Louis connection, why not just pick up the whole stadium and go back to the mid-west?

 

[azmike74]

Roger Wehrli. With apologies to you old timers, my reaction is - Gee, wow, now that's really connecting to AZ ticket buyers.

At the rate we're going, why not just fill up the whole ring of honor with St. Louis guys?

These Bidwills don't have a clue. If they are so proud of the St. Louis connection, why not just pick up the whole stadium and go back to the mid-west?

C'mon, their stadium is shaped like a barrel cactus or a coiled snake! I also wish they would give thanks to guys who put it all out on the field in AZ and there are few guys who come to my mind (35,37)

 

[BigRedMO]

Roger Wehrli. With apologies to you old timers, my reaction is - Gee, wow, now that's really connecting to AZ ticket buyers.

At the rate we're going, why not just fill up the whole ring of honor with St. Louis guys?

These Bidwills don't have a clue. If they are so proud of the St. Louis connection, why not just pick up the whole stadium and go back to the mid-west?

If the players and the team since relocating to Arizona would have been worth a damn then they would get things like HOF inductions and a place on the ring of fame. You want mediocre players in the ring of fame just because they played in AZ? I am sure if Williams or any other AZ player is elected to the HOF they will be inducted into the ring. I thought the NFL was different in that recognition was earned. Look at the teams records. They are almost all from the days in St. Louis. Do you want the Cardinals to obliterate some of their best days and players as a franchise? I guess Bidwill could be like Stalin and just write out any person associated with the team in St. Louis or Chicago.

This franchise has had next to no positive national recognition in the last 20 years other than inductions of Smith and Dierdorf. I would hope all Cardinals fans make the most of the opportunity presented by Wehrli's induction into the HOF to crow and promote the team. To those who dont like the fact that this team existed prior to 1988 this will probably be the last St. Louis Cardinal inducted and there probably wont be another Cardinal for a long time. So you had better enjoy it.

 

[CtCardinals78]

Eric Swan would be sweet. He could use his cane to smack the Olinemen in the nuts to free up Dansby and Hayes to come flying up the middle to make plays behind the line of scrimmage.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Now I know who it is..........


























Gary Hogeboom!!!!

I was thinking Stan Gelbaugh!

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Dan Dierdorf.

 

[nurnay]

I'm confused...

 

[cardsfanmd]

Roger Wehrli. With apologies to you old timers, my reaction is - Gee, wow, now that's really connecting to AZ ticket buyers.

At the rate we're going, why not just fill up the whole ring of honor with St. Louis guys?

These Bidwills don't have a clue. If they are so proud of the St. Louis connection, why not just pick up the whole stadium and go back to the mid-west?

That is such a load of crap. I expect that BS from a lot of the young guys on here, but come on buddy. You know better than that. ITS THE SAME TEAM. Are you saying that if the Cardinals picked up and moved to Oklahoma tommarrow you would find another team to root for? I think you know where I am headed with this, so I will just stop now before you serve me up a mean little private message w/ a three day ban on the side.

 

[Cards Czar]

Roger Wehrli. With apologies to you old timers, my reaction is - Gee, wow, now that's really connecting to AZ ticket buyers.

At the rate we're going, why not just fill up the whole ring of honor with St. Louis guys?

These Bidwills don't have a clue. If they are so proud of the St. Louis connection, why not just pick up the whole stadium and go back to the mid-west?

I cant beleve you just said that. So as by your commit above if any player who did not play in AZ is not worthy to repersent the Cardinals or the NFL. He will be the last HOF player that is from the Cardinals and it should not matter where he played. (Chicago,St. Louis or Arizona). Roger is one of the classiest guys you will ever meet. At the golf turnament it will be filled with mostly middle-aged men and women who know who Roger is and thats one of the reasons he is there and going to the HOF doesnt hurt.

 

[azsouthendzone]

Roger Wehrli. With apologies to you old timers, my reaction is - Gee, wow, now that's really connecting to AZ ticket buyers.

At the rate we're going, why not just fill up the whole ring of honor with St. Louis guys?

These Bidwills don't have a clue. If they are so proud of the St. Louis connection, why not just pick up the whole stadium and go back to the mid-west?

 

[CardEd]

At the rate we're going, why not just fill up the whole ring of honor with St. Louis guys?

Just save room for Quan!

 

[AzWins23]

Its eric swann!

 

[football karma]

Roger Wehrli. With apologies to you old timers, my reaction is - Gee, wow, now that's really connecting to AZ ticket buyers.

At the rate we're going, why not just fill up the whole ring of honor with St. Louis guys?

These Bidwills don't have a clue. If they are so proud of the St. Louis connection, why not just pick up the whole stadium and go back to the mid-west?

Skkorp -- they have to start somewhere -- and the AZ history is short enough that there just havent been enough guys retired long enough to be considered --

the criteria seems to be Hall of Fame types, or at least, very close to Hall of Fame.

While the recent history has guys like A. Williams, Larry Centers, Eric Hill, etc -- only Williams is a real candidate for the Hall--

while I loved Centers while he played here -- does he really belong next to Hall of Famers like Larry Wilson and Dan Deirdorf?

 

[SuperSpck]

Larry Centers belongs in the Hall of "Very *ing Good".

The Hall of Fame? Hard to say.

 

[ReddBird]

It's JJ Arrington!

No, wait, they're about to announce that he's going to start playing for the Arizona Cardinals....

 

[kerouac9]

Skkorp -- they have to start somewhere -- and the AZ history is short enough that there just havent been enough guys retired long enough to be considered --

the criteria seems to be Hall of Fame types, or at least, very close to Hall of Fame.

While the recent history has guys like A. Williams, Larry Centers, Eric Hill, etc -- only Williams is a real candidate for the Hall--

while I loved Centers while he played here -- does he really belong next to Hall of Famers like Larry Wilson and Dan Deirdorf?

I think that Rings of Honor are made especially for guys like Larry Centers: Guys who meant more to their organizations than to the League, and who you could make a legitimate--but losing--argument for inclusion into the Hall.

 

[Gee!]

All I care about is seeing Larry Centers in the ROH.. It would be a shame if he didnt get in..

 

[BigRedMO]

If a runningback not in the HOF is put in the ring and Ottis Anderson is not put in the ring it would be a major wrong. Ottis Anderson owns the Cardinals record book for rushing records.

 

[Skkorpion]

Hey, I'm just telling you something many AZ fans have been feeling and saying for many years - the owners continue to be rooted in the past at the expense of the present - and we are tired of it. At least Michael Bidwill seemed to be moving into the present.

If the Cards moved, I'd follow them for life like most of you old-timers because I'm hooked now.

In the meantime, very few of us here could care less about Roger Wehrli. And that's fact. You may not like hearing it but it's true.

As far as wanting AZ Cards players in the ring of honor, I can't think of a single one who deserves it yet. Maybe Aeneas Williams but he left on nasty terms with the organization.

And cardsfanmd, I'm pretty sure I've never banned you for anything. Nor have I threatened to ban you in a "nasty little email." I checked back through my pms and found the only one I've ever sent you and your response to it. If you will okay it, I'll gladly put them both up here for anyone to read, if anybody really cares.

Cards Czar, you expanded and made assumptions about what I wrote that are wrong. Roger Wehrli being voted into the Hall of Fame is fine with me. I'm sure he deserves it. Most of us out here don't have your long history of being Cards fans so we just have no interest in Wehrli at all.

 

[TruColor]

See - and the complaint I've heard for years and years is that Mr. Bidwill doesn't do enough as far as recognizing past players...Chicago, St. Louis, Phoenix, etc. And, I've also heard that the former St. Louis players in particular have felt left out of the organization.

I see it as a positive step that the Bidwills are reaching out to these former players - and when the time is right - do the same for former Arizona players...

 

[POISON]

That is such a load of crap. I expect that BS from a lot of the young guys on here, but come on buddy. You know better than that. ITS THE SAME TEAM. Are you saying that if the Cardinals picked up and moved to Oklahoma tommarrow you would find another team to root for? I think you know where I am headed with this, so I will just stop now before you serve me up a mean little private message w/ a three day ban on the side.

Oklahoma would welcome them!!!!!

 

[BigRedMO]

Hey, I'm just telling you something many AZ fans have been feeling and saying for many years - the owners continue to be rooted in the past at the expense of the present - and we are tired of it. .

Is there this desire to repress the Cards history because the team since it moved to AZ has not been successful? I have heard that people in Indy have no problem with the Colts honoring Unitas. I think maybe you take out your frustration on the wrong subject. Is your frustration that the Cardinals had great players and good teams in the past or is it that Bidwill cant produce even to the less than stellar quality that existed in St. Louis? I dont think Bidwill or any person goes wrong in recognizing the past successes and to honor it, learn from it and try to replicate it. I know where the source of my frustration exists. It has nothing to do with Wehrli or any other of the great Cardinals.

My frustration is primarily directed at Bidwill but also at fans who want to treat the Cards as if they were an expansion franchise with no history prior to 1988. It is unfair to the former players, the organization and the fans. If AZ wanted an expansion team they should have shown more patience and waited for one. The Cardinals were not a blank slate.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Hey, I'm just telling you something many AZ fans have been feeling and saying for many years - the owners continue to be rooted in the past at the expense of the present - and we are tired of it. At least Michael Bidwill seemed to be moving into the present.

If the Cards moved, I'd follow them for life like most of you old-timers because I'm hooked now.

In the meantime, very few of us here could care less about Roger Wehrli. And that's fact. You may not like hearing it but it's true.

As far as wanting AZ Cards players in the ring of honor, I can't think of a single one who deserves it yet. Maybe Aeneas Williams but he left on nasty terms with the organization.

And cardsfanmd, I'm pretty sure I've never banned you for anything. Nor have I threatened to ban you in a "nasty little email." I checked back through my pms and found the only one I've ever sent you and your response to it. If you will okay it, I'll gladly put them both up here for anyone to read, if anybody really cares.

Cards Czar, you expanded and made assumptions about what I wrote that are wrong. Roger Wehrli being voted into the Hall of Fame is fine with me. I'm sure he deserves it. Most of us out here don't have your long history of being Cards fans so we just have no interest in Wehrli at all.

OK, well seeing as though I never said that you banned me nor did I say that you did so in a "nasty little email", I find what you wrote to be really unfounded bud. I was just playing around with you. Maybe I should have put a smiley face in the end or something to ensure that I got my point across correctly.

For the record, I dont care what words of mine you put up on this board, but I think I speak for everyone when I say that we dont want to know what you found when you "checked back through your pms".

 

[Redsz]

As a fan who has only followed the Cardinals since they have come to Arizona. I have absolutley no problem with the team honoring former players outside of Arizona.

It's refreshing to hear about the sucess stories from the past. Rather than the usual 'the cardinals are crap and always be crap' stories.